Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
This video is about using science to disprove "supernatural" experiences related to ghosts.
Please watch before commenting.
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The Science of Ghosts
- Thread starter Mycroft
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This video is about using science to disprove "supernatural" experiences related to ghosts.
Please watch before commenting.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
Of course. Deception wouldn't be deception unless someone was deceived.You "believe" in the existence of spirits? I do too.....but not in the same way that you do.
Do the deceived know that they are? If an evil spirit masqueraded as a good spirit...someone you know, and can tell you things that only that deceased person would know....can it not be deception? The demons have been around as long as we have...they know everything about everyone. They have an agenda and they are masters of propaganda.
We all depend on trust when it comes to knowledge. But God has his reasons for not allowing his people to "consult spirit mediums or to inquire of the dead" because he lists those things as "detestable" to him. (Deut 18:9-12)
That goes right past hatred into downright abhorrence! Why? If they were merely the spirits of departed loved ones, why would he do that?
There are spirits....but they are not spirits of the dead.....there are no souls who survive death. Can you prove otherwise? Can you state categorically that these spirits are who they claim to be? Aren't you just taking their word for it? The Bible says that they are out to deceive.....they have been very successful.
Question.
How do you know your god is not an evil spirit in disguise?
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Link didn't work. Maybe my computer, or maybe the forum site. Would like to see it.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
It covers the idea of the soul having weight, the idea of demons after you in your sleep, and the feeling of being watched.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
You might just have to post the URL.
outhouse
Atheistically
Sounds like my reply was spot on.
Because that is exactly what I implied.
Why should I watch what I already know?
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
Why should you judge a thread about a video you did not watch?
outhouse
Atheistically
Why should you comment about my post that was spot on, and in context to the an amateur video I already know frontwards and backwards?
Interesting come back.
Do you know that the modern concept of a "ghost" was not known amongst the Bible writers? The word "ghost" is a later German word (geist) and means "spirit". People began referring to God's spirit as the "Holy Ghost" in order to convey the idea that it was a separate invisible personality of a triune god. When you know what "spirit" means in the original languages of the Bible, you understand that spiritism was forbidden to God's people because it brought them into contact directly with the demons...the great deceivers. (2 Cor 11:13-15)
Just look at history and the beliefs of the ancients. Demons have influenced man's religious beliefs down through time. Tell me of any ancient culture that has no evil spirits.
There are many religions that mix and merge pagan beliefs with Christianity. Many who practice Voodoo identify as Christians.....but it doesn't Christianize the Voodoo.....it is merely a paganized form of Christianity, which makes it completely unacceptable to God. (2 Cor 6:14-18) You can't mix light with darkness, or God and the devil.
I don't think the spirits mind who receives the deception...they can appear as "ghosts" in so called "haunted houses" but everyone seems to see the same ghost. So what? They are real...but they are not the spirits of the dead...there ARE no spirits of the dead walking around among us. The dead are not conscious.
We do indeed have a common foundation of truth.....the word of God....the mere fact that some don't accept it as such, does not change the truth of it....it just changes the beliefs of the individual....someone who has chosen a different "truth" to suit themselves.
Saul consulted a spirit medium when God abandoned him because of his disobedience. He was so desperate to know what was going to become of him that he sought out the only remaining spirit medium in Endor. Saul himself had purged all the mediums out of the land in obedience to God's command, but now he was breaking the law...and he knew it.
Some are likewise desperate to know what has become of a loved one they have lost in death. Consulting a medium, they think that they are contacting their relative or friend, when in fact they are just leaving themselves wide open to the deception of the demons.
Identifying who the spirits are is important. If you invite them into your life, they may at first be friendly....but don't try to leave them.....once they have you, they don't like to let you go.
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Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
I have a question for you if you do not mind me asking it.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
No because humans developed the ideas of spirits as beings to thank or blame events on.
It's called "faith". I look at the life course of Jesus Christ and listen to his teachings (which he said all came from his Father)....and I agree with Mahatma Ghandhi when he said to the British Viceroy..
"When your country and mine can get together on the teachings of Jesus Christ in his Sermon on the Mount, we will not only have solved the problems of our own countries, but also those of the whole world."
The kind of wisdom contained in that sermon is completely missing from the human psyche and has never implemented by any nations and yet if we all came together as one race...the HUMAN race, for the common good, we could solve every problem that exists in this world. No one wants to go there...do you know why?
I look around at creation and see purposeful design in everything. I look out at the vast universe and see how insignificant our planet is among the billions of galaxies and I know there is a purpose to our being here, in spite of it.
I read about God's plans for the future and I am filled with hope......I see what man is doing to this earth and the living things upon it and weep.
Without God, nothing can change.....human pride will not let it. God is going to wrest rulership out of dead hands and re-establish his own rulership over obedient mankind, just as he purposed at the beginning. We have to earn our place in that arrangement by actively accepting the blood of Christ for forgiveness of sins, and working for the future establishment of God's kingdom.......it is coming, ready or not and will go ahead, with us or without us...we choose.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
It's called "faith". I look at the life course of Jesus Christ and listen to his teachings (which he said all came from his Father)....and I agree with Mahatma Ghandhi when he said to the British Viceroy..
"When your country and mine can get together on the teachings of Jesus Christ in his Sermon on the Mount, we will not only have solved the problems of our own countries, but also those of the whole world."
The kind of wisdom contained in that sermon is completely missing from the human psyche and has never implemented by any nations and yet if we all came together as one race...the HUMAN race, for the common good, we could solve every problem that exists in this world. No one wants to go there...do you know why?
I look around at creation and see purposeful design in everything. I look out at the vast universe and see how insignificant our planet is among the billions of galaxies and I know there is a purpose to our being here, in spite of it.
I read about God's plans for the future and I am filled with hope......I see what man is doing to this earth and the living things upon it and weep.
Without God, nothing can change.....human pride will not let it. God is going to wrest rulership out of dead hands and re-establish his own rulership over obedient mankind, just as he purposed at the beginning. We have to earn our place in that arrangement by actively accepting the blood of Christ for forgiveness of sins, and working for the future establishment of God's kingdom.......it is coming, ready or not and will go ahead, with us or without us...we choose.
How is faith "belief without evidence" logical?
That is an assumption. The most ancient book in existence speaks of good and evil spirits and you have no proof that they don't exist. You can't prove that God doesn't exist either.
Who said it is without evidence? I see abundant evidence.
As I have said before...to the believer, no proof is necessary...to the unbeliever, no proof is enough.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
The book is not the most ancient, however you are right I cannot prove that such beings do not exist.
However I also cannot prove that Kami, Fairies, Unicorns, Allah, Zeus, and many other things do not exist.
Should I believe that they do?
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
In the English language faith is defined as: strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
Are you saying then that faith is not your reason for knowing that your deity exists?
Actually all of these have a common origin....its called false worship and if you know why it exists and who is responsible for it, a lot of things drop into place. (1 John 5:19)
I notice that you are keen on dictionary definitions. Do man's definitions mean more to you than God's? Christian belief is based on faith AND evidence. I have all the proof I need, but then God is in my life and he guides and directs me in ways you would probably not appreciate or understand. Unbelievers have no "eyes of faith"...these are the eyes of real vision...unclouded by doubt....unhindered by the dark. They see the whole picture, without being distracted by a few dead pixels.
Like I said...I see God in everything...in the beauty and the grandeur and the power in nature that makes me feel so small and insignificant....yet the Creator of this vast universe knows me and cares about my future. I have come to care about him very deeply and the more I get to know him the deeper my love and appreciation grows. I am sad that unbelievers never get to experience this.....you guys are missing out on something truly wonderful.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
If you have sufficient evidence for a belief, then faith becomes unnecessary.