We die through illness, or because our body wears out due to old age. All part of the evolutionary process. If no one died the world would soon become overpopulated. I hope oblivion awaits me when I die, heaven and hell seem very unpleasant concepts!
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The sick concept of Eternal hell suffering.
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We die through illness, or because our body wears out due to old age. All part of the evolutionary process. If no one died the world would soon become overpopulated. I hope oblivion awaits me when I die, heaven and hell seem very unpleasant concepts!
Thief
Rogue Theologian
You were never intended to live forever...physically.
You will die for one of two causes....accident or disease.
Life is a learning experience.
What you learn, you take to the spiritual life.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
As many times as you have responded to this thread...and each time with denial.....
It seems the hereafter is more a worry to you than anything else.
No it isn't. It was when I was a child but at the age of 60 I realise that we have no idea if the consciousness survive death and if it does how that will play out. The heaven and hell idea is the product of human imagination.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I am reading the book "Miracles Can Be Yours" by pat Robertson. In it he tells the story of a woman who died but her church prayed her back to life again. She states that she could hear the people around her talking (the doctors said she was brain dead). She also says that she prayed the sinners prayer and asked Jesus to send her back to care for her children.
IMO, if you aren't in hell yet, there is still time to repent dead or not.
Muffled
Jesus in me
You can hope but the witnesses say otherwise. For those not going to Heaven, there usually is reincarnation, however the end-time may come in your lifetime which means that Hell is a very real possibility for you. There is still time to repent and be gathered into the Kingdom of God and ascend into the New Jerusalem but a failure to be gathered means that you will be here when the fire comes.
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
If we have no idea if the consciousness survives death, how can you be so certain that heaven and hell are not real?
Muffled
Jesus in me
This does not take into account the question of "real evidence." I do not have to go far to realize that I have had lust and anger in my life or to realize that I have been greedy for food and money. The real evidence of sin lies within a person. Of course there is always the sin of pride which says there is no sin. A person has to make a choice whether to obey those sinful impulses or bind them and for those who do not have strength to bind their impulses Jesus has promised to provide that strength.
However those who love sin usually justify it by saying there is no reason to consider it sin. However the Apostle Paul made it abundantly clear that sin can be recognized by its fruit (wages) which is death.
There are consequences to actions. A person who drinks too much can encounter many, one is vehicular homicide by getting behind the wheel of a car drunk, with jail time as a result. There can be a rude awakening in a strange womans bed and the possiblity of a disease as a result. There is liver failure, smothering to death in ones own vomit. The list goes on but the ideas are real evidence and some of them I have heard from witnesses who have been through it.
No one has come back from the dead, anyone who claims people have done so is lying, imo!
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
Hell is an original idea to keep the sheep inline.
Hell is an unfortunate consequence, like giving yourself esophageal cancer after many years of heavy alcohol and tobacco consumption. Or morbid obesity after years of binge-eating.
There is NO evidence hell exists, unlike compelling evidence that you can give yourself cancer by abusing your body!
I can't, but they seem to be very human creations and pretty unlikely scenarios, especially the more extremist views of those places!
NeoSeeker
Searching Low & High
It only applies if you buy into the whole heaven/hell enchilada. And while you might live your life fearing Hell in the afterlife if you are a bad boy, that is no guarantee it's really there.
Starsoul
Truth
Very True. Its widely noted that those who actually fear God, indeed know it deep inside that He exists and So do Heaven and hell. Its only fear of this possibility to be true and the denial of retribution and fear of going through a fair trial, that scares the hell out of them literally and they don't want to believe in it. Thats a pity, because they Also deny themselves Heaven, and that's really pessimistic.
Well, don't you think its unfair to want to believe in God as it suits us rather than what He is all about actually? For someone who wants to believe that there is no Hell, actually knows quite precisely that it is real, otherwise he wouldn't worry. Denying something doesnt make reality go away.. Its as if the concept of hell was ingrained by God himself, otherwise there's no justice on earth.
The concept of 'No Hell' would be more sickening actually. To even suggest that a few privileged people believe that life is fair on earth and everybody has had it fair with them, is pure cruel insensitivity. Just have a look on the poor African countires and justify their below the human line survival desperation, its just downright brutal and pitiless to consider all this a fair trial.
Please keep in mind the innocent and the needy while pushing to justify a greed driven, grief stricken, Man driven world. It is Man solely who is to be blamed for all the injustice, not God.
Do your research carefully about the richest families of the world and how they live and compare it with the survival efforts of the unfortunate & deprived, The truth is screaming at our faces about who's to blame for the extreme poverty of large amounts of unfortunate people. And to deny that truth is the biggest Injustice.
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
It only applies if you buy into the whole heaven/hell enchilada. And while you might live your life fearing Hell in the afterlife if you are a bad boy, that is no guarantee it's really there.
Unfortunately, there's only one way to find out if hell is real or not. But the Gospel of Jesus is not a message of fear. It's not a message of doom or hopelessness. It is the Good News. (The word gospel literally means "good news.") I don't know you from Adam, NeoSeeker, but I am sincere when I urge you to come to Christ for the right reason. Fear of hell is the wrong reason.
Jesus Christ does not work though fear.
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
It is an appeal to fear, I agree. But sometimes appeals to fear are more expedient than appeals to love. In my opinion, it's more expedient to the cause of evangelization to tell someone about the love of Jesus than the horror of eternal damnation. More flies with honey and all that.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Have you ever met my ex?
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
2,940 posts. Two questions: has anythting been determined and has anyone read them all?