The sick concept of Eternal hell suffering.

[mickiel]

In Matthews 24:21, Jesus literally proves that there will not be an eternal burning hell torture issued out to humans. " For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occured since the beginning of the world until now, " NOR EVER SHALL AGAIN." Understand that very closely. The tribulation will be a great time of sorrow, and Jesus said that this level of suffering will NEVER occur again!

Now you know, common sense will tell you, that IF eternal hell suffering were true, that it would be FAR GREATER than this tribulation suffering, because we are talking about a horrible level of suffering that will NEVER end! Eternal horror and punishing torture would be a greater level of suffering than the tribulation, but Jesus taught that the tribulation would be the GREATEST level of suffering by humanity, and this level will NEVER occur again.

This from the very mouth of Gods Son.

Peace.

 

[MidnightSun]

Well.....It's people's choices whether they want to go to hell or not....
Repentance.

 

[mickiel]

Well.....It's people's choices whether they want to go to hell or not....
Repentance.

Repentance is " Granted or given by God", its a gift FROM God, its not a human choice. The human must be " Led to repent", given the power to repente, ort they simply cannot. Christians teach that repentance is a " Self powered thing", because they are a self powered religion.

The Kindness of God LEADS to repentance, its not a self generated movement.

Hell is not a choice, its a christian creation, its a christian desire, its a christian NEED! They need hell in order to validate their own salvation.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Repentance is " Granted or given by God", its a gift FROM God, its not a human choice. The human must be " Led to repent", given the power to repente, ort they simply cannot. Christians teach that repentance is a " Self powered thing", because they are a self powered religion.

The Kindness of God LEADS to repentance, its not a self generated movement.

Hell is not a choice, its a christian creation, its a christian desire, its a christian NEED! They need hell in order to validate their own salvation.

Peace.

Excuse me, Romans 2:4, is the Scriptural evidence to the above statement.

Not that scripture would make things any clearer to christians, their too hell minded to see the Salvation of sinners.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

In Matthews 24:21, Jesus literally proves that there will not be an eternal burning hell torture issued out to humans. " For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occured since the beginning of the world until now, " NOR EVER SHALL AGAIN." Understand that very closely. The tribulation will be a great time of sorrow, and Jesus said that this level of suffering will NEVER occur again!

Now you know, common sense will tell you, that IF eternal hell suffering were true, that it would be FAR GREATER than this tribulation suffering, because we are talking about a horrible level of suffering that will NEVER end! Eternal horror and punishing torture would be a greater level of suffering than the tribulation, but Jesus taught that the tribulation would be the GREATEST level of suffering by humanity, and this level will NEVER occur again.

This from the very mouth of Gods Son.

Peace.

The truth just continually slips away in front of us. Men would rather believe lies than the truth. Would rather debate foolishness than substance.

The sick concept of eternal hell suffering has invaded religous belief like rat poision. It has shredded the minds and fears of every continent. Incaded our history, struck fear in our belief system, done all this and stiil to this day, hell has done absolutely nothing to help anyone who believes in it.

I am courious, which of you will volenteer to list what belief in eternal hell suffering has done for you.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

The truth just continually slips away in front of us. Men would rather believe lies than the truth. Would rather debate foolishness than substance.

The sick concept of eternal hell suffering has invaded religous belief like rat poision. It has shredded the minds and fears of every continent. Incaded our history, struck fear in our belief system, done all this and stiil to this day, hell has done absolutely nothing to help anyone who believes in it.

I am courious, which of you will volenteer to list what belief in eternal hell suffering has done for you.

Peace.

It is as I have thought, there are no volunteers, this sick belief has done absolutely nothing benefical for any of you who believe it. It does nothing to help you , God or anyonelse. Its a perverted peice of belief.

And its proof of just how off track many believers are. This morbid belief exist in christianity, hundreds of others just as horrible live in christian doctrine as well. It lives in Catholisim, the largest religion on earth. They die hard believe in things that are of no profit, only doom to humanity.

Peace.

 

[Imagist]

Welcome to the "Mickiel got the last word, and the last word outweighs any logic, so Mickiel wins and will now stroke his ego by self-quoting" thread.

It is as I have thought, there are no volunteers, this sick belief has done absolutely nothing benefical for any of you who believe it. It does nothing to help you , God or anyonelse. Its a perverted peice of belief.

And its proof of just how off track many believers are. This morbid belief exist in christianity, hundreds of others just as horrible live in christian doctrine as well. It lives in Catholisim, the largest religion on earth. They die hard believe in things that are of no profit, only doom to humanity.

There are no volunteers because you are being ignored.

In any case, none of what you have said in any way disproves what the bible says: hell exists, and god is going to throw people into it, and they will suffer for eternity. I agree that it's an awful belief, and it's one of the main reasons that your belief in the bible seems awful to me.

 

[mickiel]

There are no volunteers because you are being ignored./quote]



There are over 10,900 views on this thread, it is not being ignored. I disagree with yet another one of your foolish claims.

NBone of you christians can list what benefit hell has been to you, because such rubbish has no benefits.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Welcome to the "Mickiel got the last word, and the last word outweighs any logic, so Mickiel wins and will now stroke his ego by self-quoting" thread.


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Welcome to an obvious display of Envy, jealousy and arrogance. Which is why I have mostly ignored you. I know its in you, and will just come out of you sooner or later. I rarely will continue with confusion, that comes out of people who are serious.

Seriously confused.

Peace.

 

[Imagist]

There are no volunteers because you are being ignored.

There are over 10,900 views on this thread, it is not being ignored. I disagree with yet another one of your foolish claims.

Most of these views were there before you started quoting yourself.

 

[Imagist]

Welcome to an obvious display of Envy, jealousy and arrogance. Which is why I have mostly ignored you. I know its in you, and will just come out of you sooner or later. I rarely will continue with confusion, that comes out of people who are serious.

Mickiel, I am not envious or jealous of you. If anything, I feel a bit sorry for you. You've so thoroughly swallowed your dogma that you no longer see it as a religion, have lost all sense of logic, and can't even produce basic reading comprehension of your own holy book.

I may be arrogant, but that in no way proves me wrong. In any case, it seems to me that someone just claimed that the kettle was envious and jealous of the pot.

This thread is over, I think.

 

[mickiel]

Mickiel, I am not envious or jealous of you.

This thread is over, I think.

This is the envy comming out, now you have taken to yourself the power to end this thread. Its simular to immaturity or childishness, if you cannot join, then try to destroy the thing you cannot join. Or if someone does not want to play with you, then you discredit their game.

The very gall of you proclaiming the end of this thread. You don't hold the power to do that, your power didnot make it grow, your power cannot stop it.

But I do have a suggestion that may help you get what you really desire. Why don't you start a crusade to stop this thread, gather all the support you can, and go to the moderators withyour evidence, and it may get stopped then. Good Luck.

Peace.

 

[Imagist]

Silly, I'm not trying to end this thread; it's already ended, since we no longer are on topic. I'm merely observing the obvious. Its end was no doing of mine.

 

[mickiel]

Posting on a discussion board, is really a " Window to others mindset", you can actually read what they believe, read what is in their being. See into their minds. Observe the knowledge that comes out of them, because its in them. You can see that many actually believe in God, but their knowledge is really " Old School." They have not come out of Egypt.

Ever learning but just not able to come into the real growing truth. Their stuck on what they first learned, and how they learned it.

Romans 10:2;" For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, ( They believe) but not in accordance with Knowledge." Their stuck in the roots of how they first started to believe, and what religious influence first affected their belief. So they seek to " Establish their own first view of God as being the right one."

The true Knowledge of God is growing, active and pulsating, it does not sit still, it continually challanges you, its not traditional. Its new every year. Thats what growing means. You move on past the elementary things in Christ. Christ is the end of traditional learning, and he MOVES you onward. From one old covenant to a New.

And I am going to go into this reality for the next couple of weeks, because I see a " People frozen in time", not really advancing, looking to their traditional knowledge to substain them.

Peace.

 

[Spiritone]

I agree with a lot of that, Mickiel.
We are in the process of being created all the time and need to grow without forgetting valuable teachings we got from different sources, Jesus being the main source for real Christians. imo.

 

[mickiel]

All religions are really " Little Kingdoms", kingdoms unto themselves. Jesus in Matt. 12:25," Any Kingdom divided against itself is laid waste. All religions are divided against itself, because inately, humans are not unified. So they look to God, or look to the God or purpose of their religion, to bring them together. No god has done that on earth as of yet. But the believers have to give and live the illusion that " Their little Kingdom has."

The bible does not teach that God will give unity to the earth before his return. So all knowledge comming out of these little kingdoms of believers, is not from a unified mindset. Its fragmented, loose,holding no solid foundation. Really, now a days, believers have to be stronger than their religion, because religion grows weaker by the decade. So believers are really trying to save their religion, and this is why traditional knowledge flourishes.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[Reverend Rick]

So as we approach 1000 posts, has anyone changed their minds? The sad thing is, we could discuss this for another thousand posts and nothing will be accomplished.

 

[mickiel]

So as we approach 1000 posts, has anyone changed their minds? The sad thing is, we could discuss this for another thousand posts and nothing will be accomplished.

No, the sad thing is, " You" have gotten nothing out of it. In your mind this discussion has not been benefical, so you bring your saddness to it.

Instead of bring things benefical to it.

I am enjoying it and have gleaned from it. And thats what freedom from tradition will do, give your mind a wide open view of how much more Life God has to offer. How much more Love and no condemnation.

Peace.

 

[lockyfan]

I personally dont believe in hell and that is based on what I have read in the bible

 

[tumbleweed41]

The Beast

Evangelical tract on the end days, the Beast, the second coming, and Hell.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

A sick concept indeed.