The sick concept of Eternal hell suffering.

[bluZero]

God says that he desires that none should perish, therefore, God is merciful!

The lake of fire is Hell, why? because it is the total separation from God, and that is hell.
Many verses sound like hell will go on indefinitly, but it will not.
Even the wicked of Sodom were burned up, yet the fires are not burning today.
When the Lord says forever or everlasting fires and other such sayings, it all means that once they are burned up, that they will no longer come back to life, not ever. That is what forever and everlasting means, no millenniums.
Not that the flame is forever, but the death of the unsaved is. And torment = sorrow, not torture!
Our loving God will not torture the unsaved forever, bet on it.:angel2:

If need be, I can go and get quoted info about what I am saying that may explain it better, but in essence, it is all the same. once dead, always dead just as the animal, a carcass. Animal has not eternal spirit.

It is sad that man, like Esau, gives up his birthright to live forever, for a few years of enjoyment in the flesh.:thud:

 

[Enoch07]

Do you remember God and does he remember you?

Yeup after you die and return to be judged you are granted back your full memory.

 

[bluZero]

Originally Posted by Enoch07
To be consumed by God is to be erased completely. You cease to exist your own mother does not remember you, your kids will not remember you, it is like you never existed to begin with.
Challupa: Do you remember God and does he remember you?

The question is answered. Once you are dead, you are dead and without memory, the dead have no conscious existence at all. :no:And if God does remember you, he is not giving us any information as to weather he does or not. At least I have not found any such information .

 

[challupa]

Originally Posted by Enoch07
To be consumed by God is to be erased completely. You cease to exist your own mother does not remember you, your kids will not remember you, it is like you never existed to begin with.
Challupa: Do you remember God and does he remember you?

The question is answered. Once you are dead, you are dead and without memory, the dead have no conscious existence at all. :no:And if God does remember you, he is not giving us any information as to weather he does or not. At least I have not found any such information .

Okay, this isn't much different from me believing that when I die I end and there is nothing else. If I don't have a memory or any conscious existence, then I am right that I just die and that's the end of existence.

 

[bluZero]

Okay, this isn't much different from me believing that when I die I end and there is nothing else. If I don't have a memory or any conscious existence, then I am right that I just die and that's the end of existence.

Well now you are talking a different matter. If you area a saved individual, and you die, your spirit goes to be with the Lord, and then on the second resurrection, your new body goes to meet up with it. On the other hand, if you die unsaved, then you just die, and on judgment day your body will be strewn upon the face of the earth along with all the bodies of kings and ppl throughout history to be shamed in the face of the host of heaven, but only the living that are left behind will feel the shame of going to damnation. I do not have the information why God shames the dead, yet he does, I can only guess because sin is shameful.
(Eze 32:25) They have set her a bed in the midst of the slain with all her multitude: her graves [are] round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword: though their terror was caused in the land of the living, yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit: he is put in the midst of [them that be] slain.
(Jer 8:2) And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.

 

[challupa]

Well now you are talking a different matter. If you area a saved individual, and you die, your spirit goes to be with the Lord, and then on the second resurrection, your new body goes to meet up with it. On the other hand, if you die unsaved, then you just die, and on judgment day your body will be strewn upon the face of the earth along with all the bodies of kings and ppl throughout history to be shamed in the face of the host of heaven, but only the living that are left behind will feel the shame of going to damnation. I do not have the information why God shames the dead, yet he does, I can only guess because sin is shameful.
(Eze 32:25) They have set her a bed in the midst of the slain with all her multitude: her graves [are] round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword: though their terror was caused in the land of the living, yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit: he is put in the midst of [them that be] slain.
(Jer 8:2) And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.

Oh okay, so if I wasn't saved I would be shamed after I die and then I would just disappear with no memory?

 

[Enoch07]

Its a pretty simple concept. If you loved God enough to adhere by his laws as close as you could, and passed judgment, then you get to live eternally with him, with full memories.

If your "bad" and judged to hell you cease to exist. Which most atheist believe they die and stop existing anyways right? So if they continue to be atheist they will get their fulfill their own thoughts of the afterlife. Its a win-win situation for everyone!

 

[bluZero]

Oh okay, so if I wasn't saved I would be shamed after I die and then I would just disappear with no memory?

(Isa 26:14) [They are] dead, they shall not live; [they are] deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.:clap

 

[challupa]

Its a pretty simple concept. If you loved God enough to adhere by his laws as close as you could, and passed judgment, then you get to live eternally with him, with full memories.

If your "bad" and judged to hell you cease to exist. Which most atheist believe they die and stop existing anyways right? So if they continue to be atheist they will get their fulfill their own thoughts of the afterlife. Its a win-win situation for everyone!

Yup, got it. Sounds fine!

 

[Waymarker]

..You know, this lunatic that will place humans in this eternal Pain amphlipier and punish them for billions upon trillions of untold time and on into infinity..

Try regarding God not as a 'person' but as a 'law of the universe'
And like any law, if we break it we're in a world o' hurt..

"But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God" -Carl Sagan

 

[Imagist]

Try regarding God not as a 'person' but as a 'law of the universe'
And like any law, if we break it we're in a world o' hurt..

You'll have to clarify what you mean by "law of the universe".

If you mean "force of nature", then you are incorrect, given that god possesses emotions: jealousy, love, hate, etc. which are not attributed to forces of nature.

If you mean "law of nature", then your statement is nonsensical, because laws of nature can't be broken (otherwise they wouldn't be laws). For example you can't break the law of gravity.

If you mean some sort of overarching moral, ethical, or legal system, such laws can only be made by conscious individuals and therefore god is still responsible if his laws are injust (such as sending someone to eternal torture for looking at someone of the opposite sex lustfully).

 

[mickiel]

Try regarding God not as a 'person' but as a 'law of the universe'
And like any law, if we break it we're in a world o' hurt..

"But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God" -Carl Sagan

Christianity is in a world of hurt, and the day I take advice from A christian, other than my Mother, I'll hang up my own belief. Nothing a christian says to me will amount to anything. They are just of no value to me whatsoever. Anyonme who believes God will punish humanity forever, can do nothing for me but prove how sick belief in God has become.

Peace.

 

[bluZero]

Christianity is in a world of hurt, and the day I take advice from A christian, other than my Mother, I'll hang up my own belief. Nothing a christian says to me will amount to anything. They are just of no value to me whatsoever. Anyonme who believes God will punish humanity forever, can do nothing for me but prove how sick belief in God has become.

Peace.

I agree!:beach:

 

[gzusfrk]

jesus is love and he wants good for all.but he does talk about hell in the bible, it is real.I think some people push it cause it is a very bad place. but jesus does not send you there. you send your self. heaven is a holy place no evil or sin can get in,so god (he's so smart).made himself a human (jesus) .linking us to a god in the same way your linked to your mom or dad.we then became children of god adopted, jesus did not sin so when he died he got to go to heaven , in a way flesh made it to heaven, follow that path and you can make it to..i'm working on it...peace

 

[RomCat]

God does not throw people into Hell. The people who are in Hell
choose to go there. Their torment would be even greater if they
went to Heaven. Imagine if you hate God and you are in Heaven
seeing how God is loved and adored.
No one is in Hell that does not deserve to be there.

 

[mickiel]

God does not throw people into Hell. The people who are in Hell
choose to go there. Their torment would be even greater if they
went to Heaven. Imagine if you hate God and you are in Heaven
seeing how God is loved and adored.
No one is in Hell that does not deserve to be there.

God is not planning to torture humans, thats Catholic nonsense, hes planning to save and preserve us. Save us from what? Things that HE created and PUT us into, out of no choice of our own. Sin entered this world, satan entered this world, both came, NOT from the choice of humans, but from the creative powers of Christ. All things that exist came from Christ, John 1:3. Why would Jesus create a devil, who brought sin into humanity, allow this evil thing to mess our heads up, then cause us to be like we are, then he would create a place of everlasting torture because we surcommed to this thing of evil? Come on man, get away from religion. Get away from nonsense. Come out of Egypt.

God is Love man, hes going to get us our salvation. All of us.

Peace.

 

[gzusfrk]

jesus is the answer

 

[RomCat]

All of us are redeemed but not all of us will
be saved.
"Broad is the path that leads to destruction
and many there are who walk it. Narrow is
the path that leads to life and few there are
who find it."

 

[mickiel]

All of us are redeemed but not all of us will
be saved.
"Broad is the path that leads to destruction
and many there are who walk it. Narrow is
the path that leads to life and few there are
who find it."

Roman Catholic limitations on Salvation does not determine the number of humans saved, the death of Christ sealed that, and he died for ALL.

Peace.

 

[J Bryson]

jesus is the answer

Only if the question is "Whose life and teachings have been more perverted by his supposed followers than anyone else in history?" And even then he's neck-and-neck with Muhammad.