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This has nothing to do with the premise that a supposed god can certainly be malevolent.
the point was "powerful" does not always equate to malevolent control freak...
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This has nothing to do with the premise that a supposed god can certainly be malevolent.
Gods Power must have a revealed equation, and I think that equation is Love.
the point was "powerful" does not always equate to malevolent control freak...
Gods Power must have a revealed equation, and I think that equation is Love. Because of his Love for us, he willnot allow ANY of us to Perish. I don't complettely understand whats going on, but I am banking on that Love to determine our future. The most sick of us, the most sinful of us, the most perverted of us, NEED Gods grace, Gods Love, Gods Mercy, and I think we will be given it freely, no matter what we have done.
THATS how I think God really is!
Peace.
I believe that the concept of choice demands that we believe in hell. Without hell there's no choice, and without choice heaven would not be heaven, heaven would be hell. The righteous would inherit a counterfeit heaven and the unrighteous would be incarcerated in heaven against their wills, which would be a torture worse than hell. Imagine spending a lifetime voluntarily distancing yourself from God only in the end to find yourself involuntarily dragged into His loving presence for all eternity! The alternative to hell is worse than hell itself in that it is taking humans who are made in the image of God and stripping them of freedom and forcing them to worship God against their wills.
Choice of what, I choose not to believe in god, heaven or hell, if I'm right, then none of them exist.
Choice of what, I choose not to believe in god, heaven or hell, if I'm right, then none of them exist.
Whose god are you talking about here? I see no examples of a loving god.
I believe that the concept of choice demands that we believe in hell.
Our terms of belief are always based on what we think is right, ....
mickiel
Hell is a mistranslation in English bibles. God has no intention of tormenting people that is a myth made up by the same people that brought the world the trinity myth.
Here are a couple of good studies on how the myth of hell came to be translated into modern bibles.
Ah well the site won't let me post links till I post some more myself.
I will have to go off and find something to post about here I guess.
But I will return.
Mickiel...I haven't read all the posts, so please forgive me if I re-hash something...however, I believe the Bible does not teach the concept of Hell as "we" (in this so-called) modern world know it. This concept of eternal punishment came along in the Middle ages. No where in the Old Testament was it taught. Even Jesus never taught it. The King James translators placed that word in there. Jesus mentioned Gehenna where Jerusalem would end up after its "unstoppable" fiery destruction in 70 AD. The people hearing him had no clue as to what (the so-called) place of hell was. They only knew of the "trash dump". Even Paul, the one picked to take the Gospel into all the world, never mentioned it one time. If it was such a horrible place, wouldn't anyone correctly assume that he'd mention it (at least once or twice). No...I believe...God is that figurative Lake of Fire...He will destroy the souls of those whom are not His children. That's what He says in Matthew 10:28..."...be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna". Sheol is and was completely different than what most of the Christian world calls and believes is Hell. The concept is not taught in the Scriptures....
That is still a reflection of the perverted concept of punishment, because you think God is out to punish humanity.
The reasons for my belief is that God Himself states that He is a "consuming fire" (Hebrews 12:29) and that we are to be fearful of Him that can destroy both the soul and the body in Gehenna. In John 5:24/John 8:51..the Bible speaks of everlasting life...to me, these two verses shows that there is another possibility other than eternal life...and this other possibility is eternal death (after the Judgment Day). Sounds to me as if God's going to "punish" something...but...not with everlasting punishment as some teach (teachings of Hell)....
That is still a reflection of the perverted concept of punishment, because you think God is out to punish humanity.
The reasons for my belief is that God Himself states that He is a "consuming fire" (Hebrews 12:29) and that we are to be fearful of Him that can destroy both the soul and the body in Gehenna. In John 5:24/John 8:51..the Bible speaks of everlasting life...to me, these two verses shows that there is another possibility other than eternal life...and this other possibility is eternal death (after the Judgment Day). Sounds to me as if God's going to "punish" something...but...not with everlasting punishment as some teach (teachings of Hell)....
Your Alternitive belief presupposes that God is after the human who sins, and not after sin itself. So you leave room in your belief for him going after humans, and not sin itself. You see that he must punish, so us humans are the best avialible things to do that to. You see his wrath as being imposed on humans, who sin, and not on sin itself. What is the stronger, sin, or the human who surcomes to sin? Why should God target humans who sin, and ignore sin itself? Or better asked, what makes you think sin has ingrained itself so much, that God cannot tell the difference between sin and the sinners?
What kind of mind do you think God has?
Peace.