The Sin of Pornography

[Rational Agnostic]

Yup,

Matt 5:28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

And anyone who causes another to stumble also sins, therefore anyone involved in the porn industry sins.

Without lust, none of us would exist. Thankfully not everyone decided to follow your interpretation of that verse........

 

[Brian Schuh]

One of the laws of Moses says not to crave ( or lust) for something or someone who doesn't belong to you. Another of the 613 says not to covet anything or anyone that belongs to someone else. The difference between craving and coveting is slight. Craving can happen in the privacy of your skull but one is coveting when it becomes verbal, for example- "I really like your car, you want to sell it?" when the owner has made it clear that it is not for sale.

 

[Kemosloby]

Without lust, none of us would exist. Thankfully not everyone decided to follow your interpretation of that verse........

Obviously it means your wife excluded...

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Obviously it means your wife excluded...

Sexual desire is necessary prior to marriage, and leads to marriage. Therefore, all men lust their future wives in some way prior to getting married. Is this sinful in your opinion?

 

[Brian Schuh]

How do you say sexual desire is necessary to get married? That would imply prearranged marriages can't exist.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

How do you say sexual desire is necessary to get married? That would imply prearranged marriages can't exist.

Technically, you are correct. I should have said "sexual desire is necessary for procreation." However, I was responding to someone who believed that the supposed prohibition of lust in Matt. 5:28 excluded married men.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

In another thread Trends in Pornography Viewing it was mentioned that porn is a terrible sin. So I'm curious as to what you think.

Is watching porn a sin? If so, why?

How about acting in porn, professional or amateur?


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I am probably not qualified to declare whether something is a "sin" or not according to any particular religion, however I will say this. Most Christians (I believe) would not consider it to be sinful for an actor in an action movie to commit various acts of violence (fictitiously of course) while onscreen. Yet, these actions, when performed in everyday life, would be egregious. Since pornography is "acting" as was pointed out by another forum member, how can it possibly be considered anymore "sinful" to be a pornographic actor than any other type of actor? Furthermore, acting in pornography that depicts consensual sex would be much less "sinful" than playing the role of "murderer" in a Sherlock Holmes movie, since the latter action is actually an egregious crime. Of course, when looking at as acting, neither can be sinful.

 

[Kemosloby]

Sexual desire is necessary prior to marriage, and leads to marriage. Therefore, all men lust their future wives in some way prior to getting married. Is this sinful in your opinion?

Yeah I believe it is. You don't have to lust after a woman before marrying her. Ideally, way back in the day a mans wife started as a young virgin. Another example, in the bible, a guy had one of his servants go find him a wife. The servant travelled to a town and went down to the well where the young women came to fetch water, the one that was nice enough to draw him some water is the one he took back to his master. So perhaps there are better qualities than sexual desire when choosing a wife. Unless your mind has been sicked by porn and T&A is all you want.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Technically, you are correct. I should have said "sexual desire is necessary for procreation." However, I was responding to someone who believed that the supposed prohibition of lust in Matt. 5:28 excluded married men.

The verse in question, said by Jesus, is first found in the Bible said by Job. They both, Jesus and Job, said to not lust after an unmarried maiden for fear of her already being bethrothed.

 

[Sutekh]

Victimless, arbitrary ones should be broken, like freeing the mind and body from invisible chains.

The thing that is mainly hardest to break away from is the morality that a person may still carry inside, for me I try to look more at the bigger picture instead of worrying of how bad it is.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yeah I believe it is. You don't have to lust after a woman before marrying her. Ideally, way back in the day a mans wife started as a young virgin. Another example, in the bible, a guy had one of his servants go find him a wife. The servant travelled to a town and went down to the well where the young women came to fetch water, the one that was nice enough to draw him some water is the one he took back to his master. So perhaps there are better qualities than sexual desire when choosing a wife. Unless your mind has been sicked by porn and T&A is all you want.

Oh, so she's the only one required to be a virgin and I'm guessing he's an older man? Does the "young virgin" have any choice in the matter?

Your idea of marriage sounds awful. It's archaic nonsense. It's a property exchange and not a partnership of equals. I'm so glad that's not the prevailing ideal of marriage anymore. Ugh.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Yeah I believe it is. You don't have to lust after a woman before marrying her. Ideally, way back in the day a mans wife started as a young virgin. Another example, in the bible, a guy had one of his servants go find him a wife. The servant travelled to a town and went down to the well where the young women came to fetch water, the one that was nice enough to draw him some water is the one he took back to his master. So perhaps there are better qualities than sexual desire when choosing a wife. Unless your mind has been sicked by porn and T&A is all you want.

lol

 

[Kemosloby]

Oh, so she's the only one required to be a virgin and I'm guessing he's an older man? Does the "young virgin" have any choice in the matter?

Your idea of marriage sounds awful. It's archaic nonsense. It's a property exchange and not a partnership of equals. I'm so glad that's not the prevailing ideal of marriage anymore. Ugh.

Yes, she had a choice. Genesis 24 is the chapter.

 

[Papoon]

If a young person's first introduction to sex is via porn, then that person could very well confuse such fantastical acts for attainable ones.

I wonder what 'fantastical', and 'unobtainable acts' you are referring to. I've watched plenty of porn, and most of it is actually on the menu, if you so desire. I was recently invited to accompany a woman friend to her ( and my) first gangbang. It was a lot of fun. And quite humanising, amiable and liberating. I enjoy a dom/sub sexual relationship with a woman who has until recently been plagued by the dichotomy of conventional 'morality' and her authentic feelings. Until she met me. Porn helped her to realise that sex is just sex - at first she found the idea of watching it daunting, then she realised society makes a heap of fuss about something very simple. Our culture has made a neurotic self-conscious mess of eroticism, generally speaking.

 

[Papoon]

Additionally, some researchers claim that pornography causes unequivocal harm to society by increasing rates of sexual assault,

One word.
Methamphetamine.

 

[CG Didymus]

No one's talking about being overly lustful, just lustful. Or is it about lustful "while having sex."


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Since "lust" is having a "strong desire" then already, that is good enough. But, I wonder, without a strong desire for sex who would have sex? Without a strong desire for sex why do people seek a mate? Now for Christians, and it sounds like for Baha'is too and some other religious people, their Scriptures tell them not to lust, not to have sex outside of marriage and not to watch porn. To them it's a sin.

But, they are only human. They have the same human desires as the rest of us. And sometimes those desires must become strong. So what do they do? Do they get themselves off by watching porn? Do they go see a prostitute? Or, if married, go see their spouse? I'm sure sometimes they do, but do they do that every time? I doubt it. So now if they find an "alternative" "sinful" way to get off, then they have to deal with the guilt their religion has placed on them. And worse, where did that original lustful thought come from? How many Christians out there think it's the Devil putting those thoughts in your head?

I've met Christians that had a big problem with porn, and they believed the devil was tempting them. And thanks to the quote where Jesus says not to lust or you've committed adultery, they became neurotic basket cases. But seriously, trying not to look and lust... is that even possible? A pretty girl or guy walks by and you're not going to have a "strong desire" to have sex with them? How do religious people do it? Or, are they doing it? Do they watch porn. Do they have affairs or hire hookers? And then what? Do they try and hide it? Which then makes them hypocrites. So we could ask, "The Christian who doesn't lust, you cast the first stone.The rest of you, shut up and let me enjoy the few simple pleasures I have in my life without you trying to throw a guilt trip on me."

But unfortunately, we do have to get real... a line has to be drawn somewhere. Religion, I think, is too strict. I think God has to lighten up his restrictions. I think him and Jesus should change this "lust" thing and legalize soft porn... and maybe some girl on girl porn... and it would be nice to go get a happy ending massage once in a while, but after that... all the rest is harmful and must be stopped. It's ruining society.

 

[jaybird]

There's no such thing as porn addiction. It's a fantasy that anti-porn religious conservatives have concocted out of nothing.

so the guy who never has time for his kids, no physical interest in his wife, quit his job, and never leaves his little basement room where he watches porn, not addicted? umm ok.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

so the guy who never has time for his kids, no physical interest in his wife, quit his job, and never leaves his little basement room where he watches porn, not addicted? umm ok.

Addiction is a brain disorder caused by chemical reactions to a substance. Dependence is not the same thing. You can become dependent on pretty much any activity. You can become addicted to heroin or nicotine, but not things like porn.

 

[Brian Schuh]

I wonder what 'fantastical', and 'unobtainable acts' you are referring to. I've watched plenty of porn, and most of it is actually on the menu, if you so desire. I was recently invited to accompany a woman friend to her ( and my) first gangbang. It was a lot of fun. And quite humanising, amiable and liberating. I enjoy a dom/sub sexual relationship with a woman who has until recently been plagued by the dichotomy of conventional 'morality' and her authentic feelings. Until she met me. Porn helped her to realise that sex is just sex - at first she found the idea of watching it daunting, then she realised society makes a heap of fuss about something very simple. Our culture has made a neurotic self-conscious mess of eroticism, generally speaking.

I find myself that depending on whether the actors and actresses in a born movie are professional or amateur, (look, I am not a professional porn star) much of what professional porn stars can do and the level of their performance is unattainable by amateurs. For example, I have never met a woman who could do what Linda Lovelace could do, not even among a couple professional prostitutes I have known. And this could lead to an unhealthy sexual frustration.

 

[Milton Platt]

In another thread Trends in Pornography Viewing it was mentioned that porn is a terrible sin. So I'm curious as to what you think.

Is watching porn a sin? If so, why?

How about acting in porn, professional or amateur?


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When are you watching porn and when are you merely observing other people having sex????????