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The Situation in Egypt

Mr Spinkles

Mr Spinkles

Mr
kai said:
I am a practical and not to emotional person so really in all honesty i salute the Egyptian people for where they are now but they need to find a path to democratic transition quickly before insecurity, economic chaos and political disaster take over.
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They have found a path to a democratic transition - end Emergency Law, dissolve the current government, set up a committee to amend the constitution and hold free elections. A big boulder called "Mubarak" is blocking the path. Egypt needs to roll this obstacle out of its way and continue on its path.
 
Mr Spinkles

Mr Spinkles

Mr
Sahar said:
No, this time hasn't come yet. When we see the demands of the revolution being achieved, the talk about ideologies shall come.
Want to quote what Wael Ghonim said: "This is not the time to split the pie and enforce ideologies."
Until then we all must be united. When we establish freedom of political parties' formation and fair elections, the people will decide what they want. Personally, I have no desire at all to fight over ideologies. I just want to see our simple demands achieved.
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Well said.
 
Mr Spinkles

Mr Spinkles

Mr
Thank you so much Sahar for posting the translation for us English speakers, and for posting videos with English subtitles!!! I would give you frubals but I am out of them.
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Alceste said:
I'm glad to hear it. The reason the UK still went to war in Iraq despite a million people marching against it in London is that they all went home at the end of the day. Protest is only as effective as it is persistent.
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True,what he hoped for was the same
 
England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Alceste said:
No doubt. That's the thing about brutal political repression, though. The protesters in London could go home and forget about it. The protesters in Egypt could be arrested if they don't see it through.
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Yep thats the difference,the Egyptian peoples ****** are on the line,they can't stop now its a long time till September and there would obviously be reprisals,i can see this turning nasty,i mean in a big way because there is no sign of him going.
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
England my lionheart said:
Yep thats the difference,the Egyptian peoples ****** are on the line,they can't stop now its a long time till September and there would obviously be reprisals,i can see this turning nasty,i mean in a big way because there is no sign of him going.
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Oh, he'll go. The US and Israel will see to it. They're anxious to get on with establishing Suleiman as his replacement.
 
kai

kai

ragamuffin
Alceste said:
In fairness, Mubarak is causing the chaos, not the protesters. Do they control the banks? Do they control the police and pay people to attack others with petrol bombs? If Mubarak would just go, insecurity would not be as big a problem. Has Tunisia fallen into economic chaos and political disaster?

Seems to me the first order of business is kicking Mubarak and the NDP to the curb and establishing an interim government to plan a legitimate election. No doubt various opposition groups have various aspirations and objectives, but to accomplish the first step all of them need to be united. If Egypt can't oust the current regime, there's no point to anyone crafting a detailed political platform. The protesters might as well go home and just wait to be arrested and tortured to death for having unauthorised opinions.
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Mr Spinkles said:
They have found a path to a democratic transition - end Emergency Law, dissolve the current government, set up a committee to amend the constitution and hold free elections. A big boulder called "Mubarak" is blocking the path. Egypt needs to roll this obstacle out of its way and continue on its path.
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well he hasn't gone and if he does its his vice president in charge , so is it just bring me the head of Mubarak and all our trouble will be over?
 
kai

kai

ragamuffin
Alceste said:
I'm glad to hear it. The reason the UK still went to war in Iraq despite a million people marching against it in London is that they all went home at the end of the day. Protest is only as effective as it is persistent.
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the protest didnt work because there was over 50 million that didnt protest and the entire population of Egypt not in Tahrir square are they? If their not careful they will become a side issue while the politicians make the deals.
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
England my lionheart said:
I don't think the People want him either
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You're right, they don't, but I doubt the US and Israel care very much what Egyptians want. I imagine they will try to get Mubarak to step out of the picture hoping that alone will be enough to get the protesters off the streets without disturbing the status quo.
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
kai said:
well he hasn't gone and if he does its his vice president in charge , so is it just bring me the head of Mubarak and all our trouble will be over?
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No, I think they should follow the Tunisian model. Chase the rascals out of office and establish an interim government to plan and oversee an election.
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
kai said:
the protest didnt work because there was over 50 million that didnt protest and the entire population of Egypt not in Tahrir square are they? If their not careful they will become a side issue while the politicians make the deals.
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There are hundreds of thousands of Egyptians protesting, more every day. Who knows, if Mubarak clings to his throne much longer maybe the entire population will eventually participate. ;)
 
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