The Situation in Egypt

[Sahar]

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Egypt teeters on brink of civil war as thousands fight in the streets

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Clashes have erupted in Cairo between supporters of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and demonstrators calling on him to step down immediately.

BBC News - Fighting erupts in Cairo's Tahrir square

The protesters were extremely peaceful and we saw them yesterday, 2 million persons in Tahrir Square and other millions across the country and there was no violence at all... but the dirty regime on top of it Mubarak sent its thugs and dogs to attack the protesters and cause this chaos and if anything it tells that Mubarak must get out, moreover prosecuted; he and his criminal assistants...look how they try to repress the youth uprising; first by the police thugs and then by other thugs who true don't wear the black uniform but it's known and witnessed that police members are among them. Come on attacking the protesters by horses and camels!!!!! :areyoucra

 

[maro]

The protesters were extremely peaceful and we saw them yesterday, 2 million persons in Tahrir Square and other millions across the country and there was no violence at all... but the dirty regime on top of it Mubarak sent its thugs and dogs to attack the protesters and cause this chaos and if anything it tells that Mubarak must get out, moreover prosecuted; he and his criminal assistants...look how they try to repress the youth uprising; first by the police thugs and then by other thugs who true don't wear the black uniform but it's known and witnessed that police members are among them. Come on attacking the protesters by horses and camels!!!!! :areyoucra

I agree

 

[Sahar]

Mubarak said it either him or chaos!!

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Sahar and Maro Habibate Im soooooooo glad you're back my dear sisters, Alhamdulillah 'ala Salamatikunna Hamdane kathiiiiiiirane Alhamdulillaaaah

May Allah preserve you all wherever you are, I keep praying for you and for Egypt

اللهم اضرب الظالمين بالظالمين و اخرج المسلمين من بينهم سالمين

Missed you so Much habibate, big hugs and kissees ; my eyes are filled with tears due to happinness of seeing you back, and sadness for whats going on in there. Allahuma Stur ya rabb

 

[Luminous]

FINALLY
supporters of Mubarak stand up!
lest see how much support he truely has in Egypt.

 

[England my lionheart]

FINALLY
supporters of Mubarak stand up!
lest see how much support he truely has in Egypt.

Just been watching the News on the BBC,it looks like he has many,one Man said they fear what comes next.

 

[Kathryn]

Hell, I'm American and I fear what's coming next. Looks like things are getting very dangerous for the people of Egypt.

 

[England my lionheart]

Hell, I'm American and I fear what's coming next. Looks like things are getting very dangerous for the people of Egypt.

Difficult to see what comes next,the Army are kind of stuck in the middle and are not doing anything,this could get worse

 

[ppɐʇɹnɯ]

The Muslim Brotherhood and Iran want to rule Egypt. They want Repression of women, prohibition of education, high unemployment, radical Islam as in Iran, Somalia and Afghanistan under Taliban rule. They are anti-freedom, anti-free thought, and anti-freedom of expression

What is the condition in Iran 1979 before the islamic Revolution and today in:

Human rights ?
oppression of women ?
freedom of expression ?

Today if a woman is caught wearing jeans or without a head covering in iran she will be PUNISHED, maybe even executed by the iSSlamofascists.

After some months the Islamic extremists will take the POWER and people will be in worst situation then before...

 

[Alceste]

The Muslim Brotherhood and Iran want to rule Egypt. They want Repression of women, prohibition of education, high unemployment, radical Islam as in Iran, Somalia and Afghanistan under Taliban rule. They are anti-freedom, anti-free thought, and anti-freedom of expression

What is the condition in Iran 1979 before the islamic Revolution and today in:

Human rights ?
oppression of women ?
freedom of expression ?

Today if a woman is caught wearing jeans or without a head covering in iran she will be PUNISHED, maybe even executed by the iSSlamofascists.

After some months the Islamic extremists will take the POWER and people will be in worst situation then before...

And that would be worse than Mubarak how, exactly? You can already be tortured to death just for looking at a police man funny in Egypt.

Face it, EVEN IF the new government turns out to be violent, authoritarian, corrupt and oppressive, too (which is by no means certain), it wouldn't be worse than what they have now.

 

[ppɐʇɹnɯ]

And that would be worse than Mubarak how, exactly? You can already be tortured to death just for looking at a police man funny in Egypt.

I'm not denying that he was heavy-handed either but even if order comes at a cost it is better than having Islamic rule. But anybody who thinks that something good will come of events in Egypt is not thinking clearly. Perhaps they cannot think.
Mubarak, whether he comes or goes, is identified with everything that Islamists hate.
Not because he caused it, or is even in any way responsible for it, but because they cannot conceive of having personal responsibility themselves for their miserable conditions.

 

[Alceste]

I'm not denying that he was heavy-handed either but even if order comes at a cost it is better than having Islamic rule. But anybody who thinks that something good will come of events in Egypt is not thinking clearly. Perhaps they cannot think.
Mubarak, whether he comes or goes, is identified with everything that Islamists hate.
Not because he caused it, or is even in any way responsible for it, but because they cannot conceive of having personal responsibility themselves for their miserable conditions.

When things are so close to the worst they can possibly be, probability favours the odds that a major change will improve things rather that make them worse.

 

[croak]

Glad to see our Egyptian friends are back online! I read that Twitter and Facebook were available again, so I made sure to check RF and see that you're all safe and sound.

Wednesday looks to have been a bloody day. I saw those horses (and camel) on TV, and wondered what on Earth was going on.

Are you all safe? Are your families safe? What's happening on the ground?

 

[Caladan]

The trouble is, Caladan, you're so busy trying to educate me (unnecessarily) on the history of Egypt you've forgotten to make a coherent point. It seems to me you are arguing that Mubarak is the best choice for Egyptians because he's no worse than the endless shower of corrupt, torturing dictators they've suffered under for the whole of their history. In order to be internally rational, this argument must be based on the assumption that no nation has ever made a peaceful transition to meaningful democracy after being ruled by a long shower of corrupt, torturing dictators for the whole of its history. Since this is obviously not the case (as EVERY democracy in history has been won from the whitened grip of corrupt, torturing dictators), the belief that Egypt can not ever have a meaningful democracy is obviously irrational.

Evidently you say you have read my posts. but you have not. because none of that was my main point.
Mubarak and his leadership, whether in the military or the politicians. have worked relentlessly to secure Egypt and make it stable.
the fact that North Americans do not take the time to analyze the hard work these leaders and people have done. in the name of 'democracy' has really become typical.
In the modern age, democracies should arrive through a normative process.
not through North American occupation, nor through toppling a government in a region with poverty stricken individuals who have no concept of the word.
at the end of it. it matters to me, only to a certain point. toppling an Arab regime, will be used for the favour of the major powers and Israel either way, because it will mean that the society will have to face all the challenges they have accumulated and have began dealing with constructively all over again. they will not pose a threat, but instead serve as a base of modern 'imperial' experiments.
It is a shame that there are still people in the middle east who never learn. and its a shame that there are still North Americans in the same situation.

 

[YmirGF]

When things are so close to the worst they can possibly be, probability favours the odds that a major change will improve things rather that make them worse.

In a political vacuum that would be a rather dangerous assumption. Corruption will simply rise to the top wearing a new face, with the people on the street, long forgotten.

 

[Alceste]

In a political vacuum that would be a rather dangerous assumption. Corruption will simply rise to the top wearing a new face, with the people on the street, long forgotten.

What makes you think the millions of Egyptians who are risking life and limb to democratize Egypt and obtain some of the basic human rights most of us enjoy will happily accept a new tyrant? Now that they know they have the power to change things, why wouldn't they keep pushing for what they want?

 

[Alceste]

Evidently you say you have read my posts. but you have not. because none of that was my main point.
Mubarak and his leadership, whether in the military or the politicians. have worked relentlessly to secure Egypt and make it stable.
the fact that North Americans do not take the time to analyze the hard work these leaders and people have done. in the name of 'democracy' has really become typical.
In the modern age, democracies should arrive through a normative process.
not through North American occupation, nor through toppling a government in a region with poverty stricken individuals who have no concept of the word.
at the end of it. it matters to me, only to a certain point. toppling an Arab regime, will be used for the favour of the major powers and Israel either way, because it will mean that the society will have to face all the challenges they have accumulated and have began dealing with constructively all over again. they will not pose a threat, but instead serve as a base of modern 'imperial' experiments.
It is a shame that there are still people in the middle east who never learn. and its a shame that there are still North Americans in the same situation.

It's been my observation that democracies rarely arise without a quite a bit of effort on the part of the exploited and oppressed population. You fail to realize that many of these people have no jobs to go to, and there is no social safety net. They can either oust their government or starve. A goverment that has allowed their country to fall into such a state has done NOTHING of long term benefit to "stability". Not unless you consider a civilian uprising consisting of millions of desperate, angry people, a large percentage of whom are undereducated and illiterate and most of whom have a major beef with the most heavily armed bully in the region "stability".

Egypt's current trouble was foreseeable and avoidable. Whatever his intentions or achievements, Mubarak has failed utterly. He's been so busy kowtowing to Israel and the US for personal gain that Egypt has finally fallen into total chaos. And still he won't get out! He prefers to send thousands of paid thugs out to physically assault protesters! He could have trotted off and everyone would have gone home happy.

 

[Reverend Rick]

It's been my observation that democracies rarely arise without a quite a bit of effort on the part of the exploited and oppressed population. You fail to realize that many of these people have no jobs to go to, and there is no social safety net. They can either oust their government or starve. A goverment that has allowed their country to fall into such a state has done NOTHING of long term benefit to "stability". Not unless you consider a civilian uprising consisting of millions of desperate, angry people, a large percentage of whom are undereducated and illiterate and most of whom have a major beef with the most heavily armed bully in the region "stability".

Egypt's current trouble was foreseeable and avoidable. Whatever his intentions or achievements, Mubarak has failed utterly. He's been so busy kowtowing to Israel and the US for personal gain that Egypt has finally fallen into total chaos. And still he won't get out! He prefers to send thousands of paid thugs out to physically assault protesters! He could have trotted off and everyone would have gone home happy.

If I where Mubarak, I would be in the UAE as we speak.

 

[YmirGF]

What makes you think the millions of Egyptians who are risking life and limb to democratize Egypt and obtain some of the basic human rights most of us enjoy will happily accept a new tyrant? Now that they know they have the power to change things, why wouldn't they keep pushing for what they want?

Tyrants generally do not advertise the fact until their power is assured. By that time, it won't matter what the Egyptian people want.

 

[kai]

Mubarak and other middle eastern leaders have to take things very carefully when modernising or bringing in democratic reforms. They all fear popular revolutions and most of all, revolutions that are manipulated by their neighbours. the pan-Arabic and pan-Islamic ideologies are a danger for the authoritarian rulers like Mubarak.

The West still prefers to do business with these regimes, and hopes for their gradual liberalization because of our near total dependency on oil.We are held hostage in a way our need for Oil and we need to decrease that need as soon as possible.