Subduction Zone
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People often ignore the demands of those that have shown that they cannot be an honest interlocutor. You probably have not answered any of her posts properly. Have you considered doing that?
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The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots
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SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Yep. There's the one that was told under oath, by multiple different Republican witnesseses.
Versus Taking Trump's word for it.
Gee, tough one ...
Also, there is footage of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer on tape, calling the Governor of Virginia and the Secretary of Defense begging them to send their National Guard to the Capitol. Now, why would they need to do that if Trump had called them? Because he refused, that's why. And that's why Mike Pence had to do it as he was fleeing for his life.
"Members of the commission investigating the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, on Thursday asserted that President Donald Trump made no efforts to stop rioters even as Vice President Mike Pence attempted to order National Guard troops to quell the violence.
“Not only did President Trump refuse to tell the mob to leave the Capitol, he placed no call to any element of the United States government to instruct that the Capitol be defended,” said Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., during the panel’s wide-ranging Thursday night hearing on the event.
“He did not call his secretary of defense on Jan. 6. He did not talk to his Attorney General. He did not talk to the Department of Homeland Security,” Cheney added. “President Trump gave no order to deploy the National Guard that day. And he made no effort to work with the Department of Justice to coordinate and deploy law enforcement assets.”
The statements were backed up with testimony from Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, who said that Pence told Pentagon leaders to “get the Guard down here, put down this situation.”
In contrast, Milley said, Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows told Milley that military officials needed to “kill the narrative that the Vice President is making all the decisions” and worked against sending personnel to help with the escalating situation."
Pence — not Trump — asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6, panel says
The accusation was among multiple findings from the panel charged with investigating the lead-up and response to the attempted insurrection.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I just did. You seriously need to watch the impeachment hearings because there's a lot you don't seem to know about January 6th.
It isn't?
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
I suspect that too many of SCOTUS justices are
sympathetic to Christian Dominianism. And
too many were appointed by Trump, & likely
have some loyalty to him.
That is precisely the point. It isn't a proven fact at all. It is an unsubstantiated lie that you keep repeating. As I have already pointed out. There is no proof that he ever said that. The only "evidence" that has been provided is unsubstantiated and/or anonymous statements. Which are not sufficient evidence whatsoever.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
and who is "a demagogue who appeals to the lowest common denominator"-- Stephen Hawking.
When Trump called war dead "losers," that was in private, but you can see for yourself what he said on stage about John McCain:
Trump: ...so he [McCain] lost. He let us down. I never liked him as much after that because I don't like losers.
Interviewer: he's a war hero!
Trump: he's not a war hero. He's a war hero 'cause he was captured. I like people who weren't captured, I hate to tell you. He's a war hero... he's a war hero because he was captured, okay?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Please. Didn't you seem him talking about how he thinks John McCain wasn't a real war hero because "I like people who weren’t captured."
"On Saturday, speaking at a conference of religious conservatives, Trump was pressed on his description of McCain as “a dummy.” The moderator, Republican pollster Frank Luntz, described McCain as “a war hero.”
“He’s not a war hero,” Trump said. “He is a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”
Trump on John McCain: 'I like people who weren't captured'
AMES, Iowa (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump criticized Sen. John McCain's military record at a conservative forum Saturday, saying the party's 2008 nominee and former prisoner of war was a "war hero because he was captured.
Don't you remember him insulting Gold Star Families on television? They do:
The families of 17 service members who died fighting for the U.S. demanded an apology from Donald Trump on Monday, accusing him of "cheapening the sacrifice made by those we lost."
They said the Republican presidential nominee's suggestion that the Muslim mother of a U.S. soldier who died in Iraq had not “been allowed” to speak at the Democratic National Convention was akin to "attacking us."
A letter signed by the Gold Star families — the term for those who have lost loved ones during military service — also called Trump’s comments "repugnant, and personally offensive."
"When you question a mother's pain, by implying that her religion, not her grief, kept her from addressing an arena of people, you are attacking us," the letter added. "When you say your job building buildings is akin to our sacrifice, you are attacking our sacrifice."
'Repugnant': Families of War Dead Demand Apology From Trump
The families of fallen war heroes went to battle with Trump after the Republican presidential candidate suggested a Muslim mother of a soldier who die
www.nbcnews.com
Given all we know about what Trump has publicly said regarding service members, do you think it's more likely that General John Kelly is lying about what Trump said, or less likely? I say more likely. And I say Trump's contempt for those who have served is obvious to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention.
"Former Trump White House chief of staff John Kelly is blasting his onetime boss over disparaging remarks he says the then-president repeatedly made about service members and veterans and for what he called Trump's untruthfulness about his positions on various groups as well as on abortion.
In a statement to CNN published Monday, Kelly delivered a scathing criticism of former President Donald Trump while confirming reporting in The Atlantic in 2020 that detailed the comments he made during his presidency.
"A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them,'" Kelly said of Trump. "A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family — for all Gold Star families — on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.”
John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans
Trump called fallen soldiers "suckers” and "losers" during his presidency, according to a 2020 report in The Atlantic.
www.nbcnews.com
Actually there is reporting by a reputable witness
Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’
The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic.
This is consistent with Trump’s negative attitudes towards military service members who have died and been wounded or captured. I certainly understand your ongoing support for Trump results in embarrassment and humiliation, but it’s your choice to take this stand in the forum.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
It is a crime, why has Trump not been charged with this:
18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
Also, Trump was acquitted of an insurrection charge by the senate after his impeachment in 2021.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Have you looked at my posts responding to her or just going to accuse me of dishonesty without evidence? I responded to all the posts and she called me depraved and stopped the conversation. I never once called her any names. Go look for yourself if you care to.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Impeachment trials are political. They are not criminal. In fact even McConnell said that Trump should be tried in criminal court not a political one. That was his weak excuse for not voting guilty. And McConnell knows that Trump is a criminal.It is a crime, why has Trump not been charged with this:
18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
www.law.cornell.edu
Also, Trump was acquitted of an insurrection charge by the senate after his impeachment in 2021.
As to that law it has free speech issues and that can tie it up in court forever. So Jack Smith charged him with the elements of insurrection that they could find him guilty of without running into those issues:
Rebellion or Insurrection | 18 U.S. Code § 2383
Review 18 U.S.C. 2383 rebellion or insurrection law which makes it a crime to incite, assist with, or participate in a rebellion against United States authority.
www.thefederalcriminalattorneys.com
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Which is unfortunately because Trump is taking advantage of his base's racism.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Mango Mussolini avoided military draft by claiming bone spurs, then insults service members who were injured or captured. He is despicable.Actually there is reporting by a reputable witness
Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’
The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic.www.theatlantic.com
This is consistent with Trump’s negative attitudes towards military service members who have died and been wounded or captured. I certainly understand your ongoing support for Trump results in embarrassment and humiliation, but it’s your choice to take this stand in the forum.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I have seen your posts and they are quite often lacking when it comes to properly describing events.
It is a crime, why has Trump not been charged with this:
18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
Do you think Trump would be able to get acquitted by a jury of citizens?
Remember Jan 6 would never have happened if Trump didn’t lie about election fraud. That event, along with the fake electors in numerous states, and the conspiracy in Georgia, all happened because of Trump’s actions and claims.
Yeah, some republicans voted to convict, but as we learned afterwards many were afraid of Trump’s insane base and voted to acquit. Romney explained how he had death threats due to his vote. But unlike other senators he could afford private security.
That’s your disturbed candidate causing all this chaos.
Looking forward to the decision.
The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots
The Supreme Court will decide whether former President Donald Trump can be kept off the 2024 presidential ballot because of his efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss.apnews.com
Of course, this was expected, but now they've finally announced that they will be hearing the case. Should be interesting.
Remember back when the USA liberated Kuwait, and then later invaded Iraq? There was all sorts of popular bravado about "Support our Troops". They even had those ribbons that you could put on your car. That was fantastic. There were a lot of Vietnam vets who been shunned for decades and suddenly they were appreciated. But now with Trump there is contempt for the military IF they don't support the disturbed and corrupt Trump. Everything hinges on this disturbed character. That Trump is being competitive with Biden in polling is a national embarrassment. Many analysts don't know what to make of it. Is it genuine or does it mean nothing? I have heard analysis that indicates most Americans are not interested in the news about the election, and only know the names being asked about. It could be that as the election gets closer the voters will start looking into what is going on with the candidates and learn the trouble Trump is in, and make a wise and informed choice on election day.
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Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
On Jan 2nd, the DOD asked USCP is a request for national guard troops is coming. USCP said no after consultation with COP on Jan 3rd. COP asked. On Jan 4th the COP contacted the Sargent at arms for the senate and house and requested national guard be deployed, they were denied. They report to the House Speaker. Pelosi lied about this and was never even interviewed by the Jan 6th showtrial. This should have been an important point about what happened about security that day. It doesn't matter anyway, even if Trump did not request troops that does not indicate he wanted a insurrection, If that was so, then Pelosi wanted an insurrection also.Yep. There's the one that was told under oath, by multiple different Republican witnesseses.
Versus Taking Trump's word for it.
Gee, tough one ...
Also, there is footage of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer on tape, calling the Governor of Virginia and the Secretary of Defense begging them to send their National Guard to the Capitol. Now, why would they need to do that if Trump had called them? Because he refused, that's why. And that's why Mike Pence had to do it as he was fleeing for his life.
"Members of the commission investigating the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, on Thursday asserted that President Donald Trump made no efforts to stop rioters even as Vice President Mike Pence attempted to order National Guard troops to quell the violence.
“Not only did President Trump refuse to tell the mob to leave the Capitol, he placed no call to any element of the United States government to instruct that the Capitol be defended,” said Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., during the panel’s wide-ranging Thursday night hearing on the event.
“He did not call his secretary of defense on Jan. 6. He did not talk to his Attorney General. He did not talk to the Department of Homeland Security,” Cheney added. “President Trump gave no order to deploy the National Guard that day. And he made no effort to work with the Department of Justice to coordinate and deploy law enforcement assets.”
The statements were backed up with testimony from Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, who said that Pence told Pentagon leaders to “get the Guard down here, put down this situation.”
In contrast, Milley said, Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows told Milley that military officials needed to “kill the narrative that the Vice President is making all the decisions” and worked against sending personnel to help with the escalating situation."
Pence — not Trump — asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6, panel says
The accusation was among multiple findings from the panel charged with investigating the lead-up and response to the attempted insurrection.www.militarytimes.com