The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots

[metis]

Repeating lies doesn't make them true.

Obviously, you don't get the news, or you watch Fox, Newsmax, or some other right-wing source. I could prove each statement I posted but since you don't much care for truth, so why should I waste my time? Thus, I won't.

 

[Shaul]

Do you believe what Trump claims about massive election fraud? Or do you accept that Biden won in 2020?

Hilarious. What a brilliant display of the red herring fallacy. You can't address that you are repeating the lie about Trump calling fallen soldiers "losers" so you try to introduce something unrelated.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Do you believe what Trump claims about massive election fraud? Or do you accept that Biden won in 2020?

That's a rhetorical question, right? LOL

 

[metis]

You can't address that you are repeating the lie about Trump calling fallen soldiers "losers" so you try to introduce something unrelated.

John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans

Trump called fallen soldiers "suckers” and "losers" during his presidency, according to a 2020 report in The Atlantic.

www.nbcnews.com

Trump Was Accused of Calling Fallen US Soldiers 'Suckers' and 'Losers.' We Examined the Evidence

In January 2024, Biden called Trump a "loser" while discussing the alleged comments by the former president.

news.yahoo.com

Fox News reported Trump never said that dead US troops were 'suckers,' but the network's national security correspondent said ex-officials confirmed he did

Two former senior Trump administration officials verified parts of the bombshell report in The Atlantic, Jennifer Griffin tweeted.

www.businessinsider.com

He also said John McCain was not a hero because he got captured.

Ya know, google can be your friend, so maybe looking things up might be wise instead of just spouting off.

 

[F1fan]

Hilarious. What a brilliant display of the red herring fallacy. You can't address that you are repeating the lie about Trump calling fallen soldiers "losers" so you try to introduce something unrelated.

I asked you two simple questions and you have a meltdown. I take it your evasion implies you do believe Trump's lies about election fraud, and you don't want to admit it in a forum with many rational minds due to embarrassment.

 

[F1fan]

That's a rhetorical question, right? LOL

Apparently it was a "gotcha" question given it triggered our fellow RF member. I actually expected an answer. Sometimes the non-answer tells us more.

 

[Shaul]

John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans

Trump called fallen soldiers "suckers” and "losers" during his presidency, according to a 2020 report in The Atlantic.

www.nbcnews.com

Trump Was Accused of Calling Fallen US Soldiers 'Suckers' and 'Losers.' We Examined the Evidence

In January 2024, Biden called Trump a "loser" while discussing the alleged comments by the former president.

news.yahoo.com

Fox News reported Trump never said that dead US troops were 'suckers,' but the network's national security correspondent said ex-officials confirmed he did

Two former senior Trump administration officials verified parts of the bombshell report in The Atlantic, Jennifer Griffin tweeted.

www.businessinsider.com

Yet
He also said John McCain was not a hero because he got captured.

Ya know, google can be your friend, so maybe looking things up might be wise instead of just spouting off.

You know, you are just confirming what I wrote. You are repeating a lie. The genesis of this "Trump-calls-fallen-soldiers-losers" meme goes back to that Atlantic article. The article itself says it was based on anonymous sources. There is nothing there. Just made up allegations.
Speaking of google. If you use it to search it also links to citations that thoroughly contradict your posit. Such as this one,
Trump denies report that he called service members "losers" and "suckers"
So you continue to repeat unsubstantiated and unequivocally denied allegations. Just like I wrote.

 

[Shaul]

I asked you two simple questions and you have a meltdown. I take it your evasion implies you do believe Trump's lies about election fraud, and you don't want to admit it in a forum with many rational minds due to embarrassment.

You called my reply a "melt down"? LOL Ignoring an unserious attempt at misdirection isn't evasion. An example of evasion is you trying to ignore your repeating the lie that Trump called fallen soldiers "losers".

 

[metis]

You know, you are just confirming what I wrote. You are repeating a lie. The genesis of this "Trump-calls-fallen-soldiers-losers" meme goes back to that Atlantic article. The article itself says it was based on anonymous sources. There is nothing there. Just made up allegations.
Speaking of google. If you use it to search it also links to citations that thoroughly contradict your posit. Such as this one,
Trump denies report that he called service members "losers" and "suckers"
So you continue to repeat unsubstantiated and unequivocally denied allegations. Just like I wrote.

Now you are being dishonest again as it was you, not me, who said that Trump never said about the fallen being losers. There were witnesses to what he said as the articles pointed out, but you know so much more than they. Such arrogance matched with ignorance.

 

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[JIMMY12345]

The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots

The Supreme Court will decide whether former President Donald Trump can be kept off the 2024 presidential ballot because of his efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss.

apnews.com

Of course, this was expected, but now they've finally announced that they will be hearing the case. Should be interesting.

No Trump should not be kept of the ballot.The United States and Democracy means all candidates should get a shot.
Ms Halley is under attack from Trump saying she was not born is the USA.Barack Obama was dealt the same treatment.
How do we know the next POTUS is who they say re family tree

GIVE POTUS 2024 whoever he/she is .Democrat /Republican or other.A DNA test.

Remember the ABC.Assume nothing.Believe nothing.Check Everything.

Just a double check on the person with a finger on the nuclear trigger.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Trump has not been formally charged or indicted of insurrection. The DOJ has not brought formal charges. This is no more than a meme by fake news and the political left. This scam is the same as the failed Russian Collusion Coup, where the cart of fake news was placed before the horse; collusion was spin and never the truth. This obvious election interference is the only play the Left has left since they have screwed up the country and economy, and have nothing good to run on, so they need to use a recycled scam to divide the country between the good conscious people and morons who are unaware they are being scammed.

It will be fun to watch when Trump wins and it is payback time. Trump did not push for prosecution after the failed Russian Collusion Coup hoping to unify the country. But his gesture of good will and forgiveness was seen as weakness and used as an excuse to double down.

What should happens is the DNC should be back charged for all the tax payer money used for political purposes; stolen money to run the fake charge scams. They have ripped off the tax payers of NY state for $50 million, so far using the same partisan tactics. We can add all the expenses of the Russian Collusion Coup and since they also misused government resources for political purposes.

Trump should also be reimbursed for his all his expenses due to these scams and have the right to sue for slander and liable, anyone who participated in any of the scams, retired or not. It is illegal to misuse governs respires for private and personal use including partisan hit jobs. Either pay it back or go to jail until it is payed back.

Say I wanted to steal from a store and I make up a fake excise to justify this. For example, my people were persecuted and this is pay back of mu pain and suffering. Does the fake excuse justify me or am I still guilty of a crime? The fake insurrection and using it to steal government resources to run a political election interference scam is still a series of crimes. If the High Court shuts it down, the criminals are caught red handed and need to be prosecuted and hav veto pay back for their theft.

Trump is the scammer and the conman.

 

[SkepticThinker]

What is the evidence he committed an insurrection?

If it is so obvious then why hasn't any prosecutor made a name for themselves and charged and convicted him of it? Why did Michigan, California, New Hampshire and Minnesota determine to leave him on the ballot? Why did the Colorado district court decide to leave him on the ballot? It is not obvious.

He recommended the national guard to be at the capitol, he said to march peaceably to the capitol. These are not actions of an insurrectionists. Why were none of these facts entered into the Jan 6th committee findings? You are being used.

Mike Pence was the one who called the National Guard because Trump wouldn't do it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Did you watch Trump's speech on January 6? Just a snippet for you:

Over 10,300 ballots in Georgia were cast by individuals whose names and dates of birth match Georgia residents who died in 2020 and prior to the election.​

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More than 2,500 ballots were cast by individuals whose names and dates of birth match incarcerated felons in Georgia prison. People who are not allowed to vote.​

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More than 4,500 illegal ballots were cast by individuals who do not appear on the state's own voter rolls.​

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Over 18,000 illegal ballots were cast by individuals who registered to vote using an address listed as vacant, according to the Postal Service.​

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At least 88,000 ballots in Georgia were cast by people whose registrations were illegally backdated.​

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Sixty-six thousand votes, each one of these is far more than we need. Sixty-six thousand votes in Georgia were cast by individuals under the legal voting age.​

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And at least 15,000 ballots were cast by individuals who moved out of the state prior to November 3 election. They say they moved right back. They moved right back. Oh, they moved out, they moved right back. OK. They missed Georgia that much. I do. I love Georgia, but it's a corrupt system.​

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Despite all of this, the margin in Georgia is only 11,779 votes.​

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Each and every one of these issues is enough to give us a victory in Georgia, a big beautiful victory. Make no mistake, this election was stolen from you, from me and from the country.​

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And not a single swing state has conducted a comprehensive audit to remove the illegal ballots. This should absolutely occur in every single contested state before the election is certified.​

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In the state of Arizona, over 36,000 ballots were illegally cast by non-citizens. Two thousand ballots were returned with no address. More than 22,000 ballots were returned before they were ever supposedly mailed out. They returned, but we haven't mailed them yet.​

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Eleven thousand six hundred more ballots and votes were counted, more than there were actual voters. You see that? So you have more votes again than you have voters.​

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One hundred and fifty thousand people registered in Maricopa County after the registration deadline. One hundred and three thousand ballots in the county were sent for electronic adjudication with no Republican observers.​

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In Clark County, Nevada, the accuracy settings on signature verification machines were purposely lowered before they were used to count over 130,000 ballots.​

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Every single one of those statements is (and has been proved to be) a complete LIE. But you need that sort of thing if you want to keep people believing they've been cheated -- and before you tell them:

And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.​

And am I the only who remembers "Stand back and stand by" ... ? (In regards to the Proud Boys).
I remember when he said it thinking that's a very weird thing to say. Now we know what he meant, I guess.

Trump to far-right extremists: 'Stand back and stand by'

President Donald Trump on Tuesday didn’t condemn white supremacist groups and their role in violence in some American cities this summer, branding it solely a “left-wing” problem and telling one far-right extremist group to “stand back and stand by.”

apnews.com

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yeah, so he told them to march peaceably, they did not and now you blame Trump for the violence. How have you determined that Trump did not believe what he said about election fraud?

Read the constitution, that is not the case for presidential elections.

So what? How is this a crime? What should he have done that wasn't being done?

States cannot violate someone's rights when they make election laws.

Where did I say Trump is squeaky clean? I said he did not commit insurrection and has not been charged with that.

You really, really, really need to watch the second impeachment hearings. You'll be better informed that way. There's a lot you don't seem to know here.

 

[F1fan]

You called my reply a "melt down"? LOL Ignoring an unserious attempt at misdirection isn't evasion. An example of evasion is you trying to ignore your repeating the lie that Trump called fallen soldiers "losers".

But it’s a fact he did that. I accept this fact.

It’s also a fact that he lied about election fraud. I’m just curious if you believe his lies in the face of facts to the contrary. You getting upset and deflecting suggests you do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No Trump should not be kept of the ballot.The United States and Democracy means all candidates should get a shot.
Ms Halley is under attack from Trump saying she was not born is the USA.Barack Obama was dealt the same treatment.
How do we know the next POTUS is who they say re family tree

GIVE POTUS 2024 whoever he/she is .Democrat /Republican or other.A DNA test.

Remember the ABC.Assume nothing.Believe nothing.Check Everything.

Just a double check on the person with a finger on the nuclear trigger.

The Constitution is what can be used to kick him off of the ballot. The ballot is not open to everyone. One does not even have to have committed a crime and one can be barred from running for President. You should read the Constitution some day.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Mike Pence was the one who called the National Guard because Trump wouldn't do it.

There are many different stories surrounding this event. It is a matter of who you trust. In the end the national guard did not get there until most of the riot was over.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You really, really, really need to watch the second impeachment hearings. You'll be better informed that way. There's a lot you don't seem to know here.

So you are not going to respond to my comments then.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What is the evidence he committed an insurrection?

If it is so obvious then why hasn't any prosecutor made a name for themselves and charged and convicted him of it? Why did Michigan, California, New Hampshire and Minnesota determine to leave him on the ballot? Why did the Colorado district court decide to leave him on the ballot? It is not obvious.

He recommended the national guard to be at the capitol, he said to march peaceably to the capitol. These are not actions of an insurrectionists. Why were none of these facts entered into the Jan 6th committee findings? You are being used.

Okay, "insurrection" is not a criminal term. That is why he has not been charged for it. But the insurrection consisted of much more than just his urging people to attack the Capitol. And he is being charged for that. Don't you follow the news at all?