The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots

[Laniakea]

How was that not polite?

I have every right to deny to give evidence to an irrational denier of reality.

As you have already learned, when you take to name-calling to win a debate, you lose the debate.
Would you like me to show you again?

 

[Subduction Zone]

As you have already learned, when you take to name-calling to win a debate, you lose the debate.
Would you like me to show you again?

I only see descriptive terms that you have confirmed again and again. On an unrelated note to the Trump debate you did admit to being a creationist. That alone makes a person a denier of reality. Or perhaps you are using a very lose definition of creationists such as "God started the universe". Though not supported by any evidence at least it is not an idea that was not refuted over a hundred years ago.

You do not seem to like the fact that refugees are legal once they turn themselves in. They cannot be deported until after a hearing. That is US law. Even Trump followed that law. He did not illegally deport people.

 

[Subduction Zone]

As you have already learned, when you take to name-calling to win a debate, you lose the debate.
Would you like me to show you again?

By the way, you seem to have forgotten the many times that you refuse to support your claims. It is almost continual. After I showed you that a person is legal after they cross the border and turn themselves in, even if they crossed the border illegally you brought up a claim. I asked you for a source and you gave a lame excuse. I could go back and find that.

It is extremely hypocritical of you to complain about me telling you to pound sand due to your past behavior when you do not support your own claims.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You left out the part where an asylum seeker has to seek asylum in the first country they pass through after leaving their own country. Since Venezuela isn't on our border, nor are China, or the Congo, the laws regarding asylum are being violated, and biden clearly didn't mind letting that happen until just 9 months before facing an election.
Until then, all he would say is, "The border is secure!"

Now he has to face the fact that he's been lying about it all along.

Can you quote the part of the law that says that he must do that?

I could, but then you wouldn't like the source.
It's been the pattern with you.

When you use bogus sources, and you tend to do that quite often, of course I will not like them. Did you not see that I used an apolitical source. It merely provided the law but made no comment on it. If you cannot find a reliable source then that is a very good indication that your source is wrong.

EDIT: I could have used an immigration rights source. But I new that you would reject that. That is why I went straight to the law.

A quick stroll down memory lane. I only demanded the same sort of source that I used. Apolitical and factual.

 

[Laniakea]

By the way, you seem to have forgotten the many times that you refuse to support your claims. It is almost continual. After I showed you that a person is legal after they cross the border and turn themselves in, even if they crossed the border illegally you brought up a claim. I asked you for a source and you gave a lame excuse. I could go back and find that.

It is extremely hypocritical of you to complain about me telling you to pound sand due to your past behavior when you do not support your own claims.

Now that you've done your whataboutism, are you ready to attempt an honest debate again?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You left out the part where an asylum seeker has to seek asylum in the first country they pass through after leaving their own country.

Only if there's a safe third country agreement between the first country and the second country.

And only if the safe third country agreement addresses the way that the asylum-seeker is entering the country.

Until last year, there was an issue with refugee claimants travelling to the US, then crossing into the US at an unofficial crossing point in Quebec.

At the time, the US and Canada's safe third country agreement only covered refugee claimants who arrived at official ports of entry, so Canada took in all those claimants, reviewed their claims, and granted them refugee status if they qualified.

Then, the safe third country agreement was amended to include claimants entering irregularly, so now any claimants at Roxham Road get returned to the US (so the flow of claimants has dried up).

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/roxham-road-explainer-1.6756753

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

At least 10 years.

I cross frequently (at the Detroit/Windsor crossings) and I can't remember ever not being asked for proof of citizenship.

The customs booths going into the US have signs instructing you to hold your passport or NEXUS card up to a camera as you drive up to the booth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Now that you've done your whataboutism, are you ready to attempt an honest debate again?

No, that is not "whataboutism". You do not seem to understand that concept.

 

[fantome profane]

I cross frequently (at the Detroit/Windsor crossings) and I can't remember ever not being asked for proof of citizenship.

The customs booths going into the US have signs instructing you to hold your passport or NEXUS card up to a camera as you drive up to the booth.

I am sure. But there was a time when you didn't have to show anything. A simpler time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am sure. But there was a time when you didn't have to show anything. A simpler time.

That was true the last time that I crossed. But that was also over twenty years ago. Probably before 9/11.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I am sure. But there was a time when you didn't have to show anything. A simpler time.

I remember a university road trip in around 1999. I was in the second of the two cars in our group as we rolled into the US border. The other car stopped at the booth and then drove ahead. We pulled up.

The border guard said "you're all Canadian, right?"

"Yep!"

"You're going to the same place they are?"

"Yep!"

"Okay - have a good trip. Go ahead."

Didn't even ask for ID.

 

[Callisto]

Now you're not being a polite interlocutor, and have therefore lost the debate.
Play by the rules if you want to win, or at least be respected for your views.

How you doing coming up with proof the gallows was fake?

 

[Stevicus]

Well, I wonder why everyone doesn't go that route.

I've heard of some people doing that. I've heard of cases where people from Mexico would bypass the U.S., go straight to Canada, then cross into the U.S. via the U.S.-Canadian border where there are fewer barriers and impediments. Of course, it doesn't seem all that easy for them to get into Canada, so maybe that's why it doesn't happen very often.

 

[Kathryn]

I've heard of some people doing that. I've heard of cases where people from Mexico would bypass the U.S., go straight to Canada, then cross into the U.S. via the U.S.-Canadian border where there are fewer barriers and impediments. Of course, it doesn't seem all that easy for them to get into Canada, so maybe that's why it doesn't happen very often.

Who the heck knows.

 

[Kathryn]

I remember a university road trip in around 1999. I was in the second of the two cars in our group as we rolled into the US border. The other car stopped at the booth and then drove ahead. We pulled up.

The border guard said "you're all Canadian, right?"

"Yep!"

"You're going to the same place they are?"

"Yep!"

"Okay - have a good trip. Go ahead."

Didn't even ask for ID.

Well, in all honesty, that was pre 9/11 and also at least 25 years ago.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well, in all honesty, that was pre 9/11 and also at least 25 years ago.

That's right. I was describing how things have changed.

 

[Pogo]

My border story from Sarnia.
70s. I had film canisters visible and my camera and California plates so they pulled me aside and said step out. First thing was I was hassled for driving barefoot. (you can't drive safely in flip-flops) Anyhow then they made us take everything out of the car looking for that which was often kept in film cans besides film. A little worried since we had lost our stash in Colorado but they didn't find it either. Found it months later in the bottom of my sleeping bag.

 

[Revoltingest]

My border story from Sarnia.
70s. I had film canisters visible and my camera and California plates so they pulled me aside and said step out. First thing was I was hassled for driving barefoot. (you can't drive safely in flip-flops) Anyhow then they made us take everything out of the car looking for that which was often kept in film cans besides film. A little worried since we had lost our stash in Colorado but they didn't find it either. Found it months later in the bottom of my sleeping bag.

I hate the border.
We lose some of our civil rights there.
And we're at the pleasure of low paid thugs.

 

[Kathryn]

I hate the jobs of TSA officials. Bet they hate their jobs too. Talk about no sense of humor allowed. Wow.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I read a news report today which suggested the Supreme Court could announce their decision as soon as tomorrow, possibly.