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The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots

Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Subduction Zone said:
No, it is a legal fact. I can even show you the law. You are treating two separate groups as if they were one and the same. Don't you remember when you tried to use the fact that you live in Texas as if it meant anything in this debate? You have just demonstrated that you have very little understanding of the problems at all.33
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I am only saying I live in Texas to show that I probably have more of an understanding of the issues of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION (only type of immigration and immigrants I'm talking about, but now I'm repeating myself) than some people have.

I am not discussing people who are here legally. Only people who are here illegally. So I am not "treating two separate groups as if they are one and the same." They are not one and the same. Maybe you are treating them as if they are one and the same, I don't know.
 
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anna.

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
Kathryn said:
I am only saying I live in Texas to show that I probably have more of an understanding of the issues of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION (only type of immigration and immigrants I'm talking about, but now I'm repeating myself) than some people have.

I am not discussing people who are here legally. Only people who are here illegally. So I am not "treating two separate groups as if they are one and the same." They are not one and the same. Maybe you are treating them as if they are one and the same, I don't know.
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I live (born and raised) in Southern California, roughly 20 miles from the border. The border has always been with us, and is politicized as needed during various electoral seasons. Other than that, life goes on as usual. Food gets planted, harvested, and processed, hotel rooms get cleaned, restaurants feed patrons and wash their dishes, streets get resurfaced, yards get landscaped, roofs get replaced. The U.S. economy would feel the pain if every undocumented immigrant up and went home.
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
anna. said:
I live (born and raised) in Southern California, roughly 20 miles from the border. The border has always been with us, and is politicized as needed during various electoral seasons. Other than that, life goes on as usual. Food gets planted, harvested, and processed, hotel rooms get cleaned, restaurants feed patrons and wash their dishes, streets get resurfaced, yards get landscaped, roofs get replaced. The U.S. economy would collapse if every immigrant (including undocumented) up and went home.
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Personally, I don't believe the US economy would collapse if illegal immigrants went home but hey, that's just me.
 
anna.

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
Kathryn said:
Personally, I don't believe the US economy would collapse if illegal immigrants went home but hey, that's just me.
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You replied while I was editing my post to be less hyperbolic. No, it wouldn't collapse, but we'd feel the difference for sure. The difference has been estimated in the trillions, particularly in the kinds of jobs I mentioned that aren't necessarily being taken from Americans.

Here are a couple articles (nb dating 2017 and 2018 but they're still relevant)


www.latimes.com

Wages rise on California farms. Americans still don't want the job

Trump's immigration crackdown is supposed to help U.S. citizens. For California farmers, it's worsening a desperate labor shortage.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Kathryn said:
I don't find it strange but I find it a bit offsetting, seeing how fixated you seem to be on US politics.
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Not so strange.
USA is more important than his country.

Now for some interesting election related news
that will be interesting to watch play out.....

MSN

www.msn.com www.msn.com
Excerpted...
The danger posed to Donald Trump’s finances by two recent judgments against him has been, if anything, underappreciated. The size of the awards, the structure of the former president’s business empire, and the condition of the real-estate market combine to create a truly perilous moment for the former president’s company and, by extension, for Trump’s personal finances.

Trump must put up the $83.3 million awarded to the writer E. Jean Carroll for defamation by March 9. He also owes more than $450 million—the amount continues to grow because of interest—in a fraud case brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James, and must put up cash or post a bond by March 25. He has appealed both decisions.

Trump doesn’t have that money on hand. In an April 2023 deposition for the fraud case, Trump said, “We have a lot of cash. I believe we have substantially in excess of $400 million in cash, which is a lot for a developer. Developers usually don’t have cash. They have assets, not cash. We have, I believe, $400-plus and going up very substantially every month.”

If this was true at the time, which is doubtful, it is not true now. On February 28, he asked an appellate court to reduce the bond amount in the fraud case to $100 million, and said he might have to sell properties otherwise. The court declined to lower the bond, but did temporarily stay the ruling by the trial judge, Arthur Engoron, that Trump couldn’t seek loans from banks.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Kathryn said:
Personally, I don't believe the US economy would collapse if illegal immigrants went home but hey, that's just me.
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I daresay our economy would benefit from
the reduction illegal immigration related
problems, eg, burden on legal system,
less impetus for government exacerbating
the police state.
 
Laniakea

Laniakea

Not of this world
Subduction Zone said:
For what? Trump was under investigation for various crimes before he took office. That was probably one of the reasons that he ran. He managed to put a hold on them. Of course he committed even more crimes while running and in office. There are reasonable charges against Trump, the Democrats cannot seem to come up with even one against Biden. Haven't you been following their debacle in the House at all?
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He wasn't charged with anything until announcing that he was running for office. Until that point, he was a media darling. He would still have been, had he run as a democrat.
 
Laniakea

Laniakea

Not of this world
Subduction Zone said:
The problem is refugees and refugees are not illegal immigrants.
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They're called whatever they want to be called. If they say the word "asylum" when confronted by Border Patrol, they're then called asylum seekers, regardless of their true intent.
It's doubtful any of them tell BP that they're here to smuggle drugs into the country, or do human trafficking, or commit a terrorist attack, or rape and kill women.
 
Laniakea

Laniakea

Not of this world
SkepticThinker said:
I definitely did not.

We were talking about the reasons Republicans won't vote on the bill, so I posted an article laying out the reasons. Instead of responding to that, you suggested I post the bill, which, let's face it, is just another of your dismissive responses.
I posted something the bolstered my point. Posting the bill wouldn't have spoken to my point at all.
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Why not? The Bill is self-explanatory. Articles telling us that the bill supposedly solves the border problem doesn't prove anything.
If you believe the bill to be what you claim it is, post it.
 
Laniakea

Laniakea

Not of this world
SkepticThinker said:
Or an entire political party screaming endlessly about the absolute emergency going on at the "open" borders, then when presented with a plan to deal with it that contains pretty much everything they've been asking for .... refuse to even look at it. Instead, decide to wait until Trump is President before dealing with it. Then blame somebody else. :rolleyes:
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That'd be par for the course. Biden blamed Trump for everything, and still does most of the way through his own first term. Obama blamed Bush for everything too.
At least Trump will start repairing the damage Biden has caused--rather than just leaving it be and blaming biden.
 
fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Kathryn said:
No, I don't feel like I am being watched.
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Good, good. Don't give it another thought. Just ignore us.

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