The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots

[Messianic Israelite]

People who ask for asylum after reaching the US cannot be turned back based on US and International law. If their children are born here, those children are automatically US citizens according to the US Constitution. There is a process for screening applicants.

I don't go to Bronze Age religious texts for answers to modern secular issues.

Hi Wandering Monk.

Perhaps if you did consult the Bible, you and others would be able to find sensible answers to your problems and the problems of the world. Yahweh is the Mighty One for every age and called "thou King of the ages" (Revelation 15:3). The Word is durable and has endured the test of time.
Isaiah 40:8 says "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth; but the word of our Yahweh shall stand forever." You can choose to ignore it, but it won't benefit you any.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Hi Wandering Monk.

Perhaps if you did consult the Bible, you and others would be able to find sensible answers to your problems and the problems of the world. Yahweh is the Mighty One for every age and called "thou King of the ages" (Revelation 15:3). The Word is durable and has endured the test of time.
Isaiah 40:8 says "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth; but the word of our Yahweh shall stand forever." You can choose to ignore it, but it won't benefit you any.

So, a rebellious child can be put to death according to the Torah. <cue the rationalizations for this cruelty.>

 

[Messianic Israelite]

So, a rebellious child can be put to death according to the Torah. <cue the rationalizations for this cruelty.>

Hi Wandering Monk.

A rebellious child is going to cause heartache for the parents in the long run because they won't listen to their parents. Yahweh is gracious and wanted to spare His people from having to endure that. Furthermore, that child will have an adverse effect on other members of the family, and even those outside of the family. At least if a child was put to death - not that this would have occurred often in Israel - other children would see this and fear and do no more evil. That death would serve as a deterrent for others to not obey their parents. Have you never heard of juvenile delinquency? Haven't you heard of horrible incidents where young people have driven automobiles at high speeds and killed innocent people? Or how youths have taken drugs and gone out under the influence and killed people and/or themselves? This wouldn't occur if children were obedient to their parents and I need not link to the myriad of news articles on the internet which tries to address this rising problem. Police are puzzled as to how to treat it knowing that many reoffend. Many of the minors caught up in the most serious cycles of crime have been placed in child welfare institutions, from where they can easily escape. A child who runs away time and again may both commit new even serious violent crimes and become a victim of a sexual offence, for example.

Parents usually love their children and this Law was to act as a deterrence to their children, a Law that parents could cite to their children to bring their children in line. No parent would actually skip and dance while bringing their child to be put to death. It was undoubtedly a last resort. Nonetheless, it seems today children have more rights than their parents, and a parent cannot tell a child what to do. A child that does not want to listen to their parents will undoubtedly get involved in all sorts of problems, complications, trouble, crime and possibly even die which could have been avoided had they simply listened to their parents.

Yahweh's Law is an exceedingly good Law. If you fail to see that, then perhaps you need to study a bit more.

Last week I was at work watching a video wherein a child wanted to sue their parents for being born. Yes, you heard me right. For being born, claiming that they had no choice on the matter. Children today don't honor their parents and the result is that the younger generation are becoming more and more wicked and getting mixed up in many problems which could have been easily avoided. For example, how many children today think that they can attempt to change their sex without repercussions, for example?

Today is being fulfilled what was spoken by Isaiah in Isaiah in Isaiah 3:12:
"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they that lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths."

 

[Wandering Monk]

Hi Wandering Monk.

A rebellious child is going to cause heartache for the parents in the long run because they won't listen to their parents. Yahweh is gracious and wanted to spare His people from having to endure that. Furthermore, that child will have an adverse effect on other members of the family, and even those outside of the family. At least if a child was put to death - not that this would have occurred often in Israel - other children would see this and fear and do no more evil. That death would serve as a deterrent for others to not obey their parents. Have you never heard of juvenile delinquency? Haven't you heard of horrible incidents where young people have driven automobiles at high speeds and killed innocent people? Or how youths have taken drugs and gone out under the influence and killed people and/or themselves? This wouldn't occur if children were obedient to their parents and I need not link to the myriad of news articles on the internet which tries to address this rising problem. Police are puzzled as to how to treat it knowing that many reoffend. Many of the minors caught up in the most serious cycles of crime have been placed in child welfare institutions, from where they can easily escape. A child who runs away time and again may both commit new even serious violent crimes and become a victim of a sexual offence, for example.

Parents usually love their children and this Law was to act as a deterrence to their children, a Law that parents could cite to their children to bring their children in line. No parent would actually skip and dance while bringing their child to be put to death. It was undoubtedly a last resort. Nonetheless, it seems today children have more rights than their parents, and a parent cannot tell a child what to do. A child that does not want to listen to their parents will undoubtedly get involved in all sorts of problems, complications, trouble, crime and possibly even die which could have been avoided had they simply listened to their parents.

Yahweh's Law is an exceedingly good Law. If you fail to see that, then perhaps you need to study a bit more.

Last week I was at work watching a video wherein a child wanted to sue their parents for being born. Yes, you heard me right. For being born, claiming that they had no choice on the matter. Children today don't honor their parents and the result is that the younger generation are becoming more and more wicked and getting mixed up in many problems which could have been easily avoided. For example, how many children today think that they can attempt to change their sex without repercussions, for example?

Today is being fulfilled what was spoken by Isaiah in Isaiah in Isaiah 3:12:
"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they that lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths."J

Just giving you rope...

 

[F1fan]

Hi Wandering Monk.

A rebellious child is going to cause heartache for the parents in the long run because they won't listen to their parents.

That's most every child. And just as God created, eh?

Yahweh is gracious and wanted to spare His people from having to endure that.

Yahweh isn't known to exist.

Furthermore, that child will have an adverse effect on other members of the family, and even those outside of the family. At least if a child was put to death - not that this would have occurred often in Israel - other children would see this and fear and do no more evil. That death would serve as a deterrent for others to not obey their parents. Have you never heard of juvenile delinquency? Haven't you heard of horrible incidents where young people have driven automobiles at high speeds and killed innocent people? Or how youths have taken drugs and gone out under the influence and killed people and/or themselves? This wouldn't occur if children were obedient to their parents and I need not link to the myriad of news articles on the internet which tries to address this rising problem. Police are puzzled as to how to treat it knowing that many reoffend. Many of the minors caught up in the most serious cycles of crime have been placed in child welfare institutions, from where they can easily escape. A child who runs away time and again may both commit new even serious violent crimes and become a victim of a sexual offence, for example.

Parents usually love their children and this Law was to act as a deterrence to their children, a Law that parents could cite to their children to bring their children in line. No parent would actually skip and dance while bringing their child to be put to death. It was undoubtedly a last resort. Nonetheless, it seems today children have more rights than their parents, and a parent cannot tell a child what to do. A child that does not want to listen to their parents will undoubtedly get involved in all sorts of problems, complications, trouble, crime and possibly even die which could have been avoided had they simply listened to their parents.

In the 21st century psychological help is available.

Yahweh's Law is an exceedingly good Law. If you fail to see that, then perhaps you need to study a bit more.

There's no reason to assume the laws of the Bible were written by anyone other than humans. Most are terrible,a nd even immoral in the 21st century. Even Jews and Christians don't follow most of them. They might as well be atheists.

Last week I was at work watching a video wherein a child wanted to sue their parents for being born. Yes, you heard me right. For being born, claiming that they had no choice on the matter. Children today don't honor their parents and the result is that the younger generation are becoming more and more wicked and getting mixed up in many problems which could have been easily avoided. For example, how many children today think that they can attempt to change their sex without repercussions, for example?

So one kid suddenly represents what is happening in society?

Today is being fulfilled what was spoken by Isaiah in Isaiah in Isaiah 3:12:
"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they that lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths."

Believers get pretty desperate to find ways to make their interpretation of the Bible seem relevant in the modern era. It just doesn't work.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I made a mistake in my post. 23% of drug smuggling must be by illegal immigrants, but I am unable to get a figure to what the overall drug smuggling statistic is to work out how much the percentage would be in an actual round figure, but I am inclined to believe that this would be a lot. If approximately a quarter of all the drug smuggling is by illegal immigrants, then you have a big problem.

No, that is bad math on your part. Not every Mexican that crosses the border is an immigrant. Quite a few are visting friends and family. Some of them may just be visiting to act as mules. Bring the drugs in and then go back home.

 

[Messianic Israelite]

That's most every child. And just as God created, eh?

Yahweh isn't known to exist.

In the 21st century psychological help is available.

There's no reason to assume the laws of the Bible were written by anyone other than humans. Most are terrible,a nd even immoral in the 21st century. Even Jews and Christians don't follow most of them. They might as well be atheists.

So one kid suddenly represents what is happening in society?

Believers get pretty desperate to find ways to make their interpretation of the Bible seem relevant in the modern era. It just doesn't work.

Hi F1fan. Good morning.

Are most children rebellious? Perhaps today rebellion in children is the norm because the Law to honor our parents is not adhered to widely.

You said Yahweh isn't known to exist. This world, this Universe, is evidence that a Creator had to create. Just as if you found a beautiful painting dating back hundreds of years, you would assume that someone painted that work and that it didn't under any circumstance create itself. How much greater then is this planet than a painting! Even the orderliness and spectacular beauty of the heavens which the Hubble Bubble Telescope have managed to capture of star clusters and galaxies is incredible, at least to me.

Psalm 19:1 says: "The heavens declare the glory of Elohim; And the firmament showeth his handiwork."

In the 21st century psychological help is available.

The Bible tells us that counsellors existed even in Biblical times. But the best counsellor a person can have is Yahweh. It is written: "I will bless Yahweh, who hath given me counsel; Yea, my heart instructeth me in the night seasons." (Psalm 16:7). We talk to Yahweh in prayer. That's one of the ways we get our psychological help. In any case, I would remind you that most therapists don't actually give advice. In fact, giving advice can go against the ethical codes. The point of psychological therapies in my experience having worked in the past for an organization providing psychological therapies for common mental health problems, such as anxiety, stress and depression is that there is an exploration of how one feels, and why they feel that way, helping a person to understand themselves and make decisions. The Word of Yahweh is an excellent source of challenging and exploring our thoughts. Many times when I am reading the Bible I am confronted with a solution or a change that I could make in my life.

When Job (in the Bible) had a traumatic experience of losing his children, his possessions and his health, his three friends came to attempt to give him what should have been psychological support, but seemed to actually have treated Job mostly in a condescending way, not realizing that Yahweh was testing him. Nonetheless, it was friends who offered people assistance mentally, not someone necessarily paid and taking all your money to hear about your problems. Yahshua our Savior is called a Wonderful Counsellor in Isaiah 9:6. It is His counsel that will endure.

There's no reason to assume the laws of the Bible were written by anyone other than humans. Most are terrible,a nd even immoral in the 21st century. Even Jews and Christians don't follow most of them. They might as well be atheists.

I disagree.

The Laws of Yahweh are excellent Laws and the Bible could not have been written under no inspiration from Yahweh, but righteous men moved by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote the Word of Yahweh.

2 Peter 1:21
"For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from Yahweh, being moved by the Holy Spirit."

One of the ways you can prove the Bible's veracity is the unmistakable predictions in Bible prophesy. We are seeing Bible prophesy being fulfilled today. I hope you realize that. There is a perfection in Yahweh's Law that far outstrips that of the rules and regulations which are contained in other religions. When we don't judge the Law, but allow the Law to judge us (James 4:11), we can become the obedient, spiritual, holy people that Yahweh desires of us. You are judging Yahweh's Law as immoral when in fact, it is man that is immoral and Yahweh that is just.

Many Jews and Chr-stians don't keep the commandments of Yahweh, yes. The Chr-stians have rejected Yahweh's Law claiming that the New Covenant requires nothing to do with the Law, while they are a number of Jews who are secular Jews today. People are becoming more immoral, people aren't becoming more moral and this is what you seem to fail to understand. You have the evolution mentality where you think everything has improved in society, including our moral state, but although many advances have been made technologically and knowledge has increased as described in Daniel 12:4, there's an unravelling of what was the moral fabric of our lands. This fabric kept society functioning. Children were taught to respect their elders, to not tell lies, even if it meant getting in trouble, to work hard for six days of the week etc.

Yahshua our Savior was perfect, spiritually speaking, because He kept the commandments of Yahweh. Was Yahshua immoral? I think we would have a big problem if you were to claim this, yet actually, I am just as equally offended that you are calling the Law immoral. Why don't more people see the good of commandment-keeping and see that Yahshua was simply the Word made flesh (John 1:14), an actual living embodiment of everything the Bible and the Law teaches us to be?

So one kid suddenly represents what is happening in society?

They are many examples of rebellion in children nowadays which wouldn't be the case if children feared or respected their parents. The example I gave demonstrates a downslide in the morality of this world. Years ago one would never hear of something so disconcerting and these things are becoming the norm. Yahweh's Law, despite your misgivings (a "Bronze Age religious text"), shows us a standard to which we can always refer to, even if the world's standards change so as to normalize what actually is immoral behavior.

Believers get pretty desperate to find ways to make their interpretation of the Bible seem relevant in the modern era. It just doesn't work.

It does work. The Bible is more relevant in our era than any other era known to man.

Romans 13:11
"And this, knowing the season, that already it is time for you to awake out of sleep: for now is salvation nearer to us than when we first believed."

 

[Revoltingest]

Just giving you rope...

It's hard to imagine a god whose plan for
humans included the likes of Donald Trump.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That's what you got.

I definitely did not.

We were talking about the reasons Republicans won't vote on the bill, so I posted an article laying out the reasons. Instead of responding to that, you suggested I post the bill, which, let's face it, is just another of your dismissive responses.
I posted something the bolstered my point. Posting the bill wouldn't have spoken to my point at all.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It would put a stop to endless litigation meant to prevent progress.

It would install a sovereign monarch in control of the USA. You know, like the very concept the Founders of the country had a problem with and were fleeing from in England.

 

[SkepticThinker]

For one, you could have a president that refuses to secure the southern border, and actively works to prevent others from securing the border--with the result being more than 10,000,000 illegals in this country cluttering the streets, committing crimes, and draining our resources--all while declaring "The border is secure!"

Or an entire political party screaming endlessly about the absolute emergency going on at the "open" borders, then when presented with a plan to deal with it that contains pretty much everything they've been asking for .... refuse to even look at it. Instead, decide to wait until Trump is President before dealing with it. Then blame somebody else.

 

[F1fan]

Hi F1fan. Good morning.

Are most children rebellious? Perhaps today rebellion in children is the norm because the Law to honor our parents is not adhered to widely.

Did it not occur to you that the Hebrws wrote rules for children because they were little rebels just like they are today?

You said Yahweh isn't known to exist.

Correct, there are no Gods known to exist.

This world, this Universe, is evidence that a Creator had to create.

No, the universe exists as it does, and there are natural explanations. There's no evidence of any creator as a credible mechanism. There are ancient myths that are an ongoing tradition of belief by religious people, and they confuse their belief with knowledge. You seem to be doing this.

Just as if you found a beautiful painting dating back hundreds of years, you would assume that someone painted that work and that it didn't under any circumstance create itself. How much greater then is this planet than a painting! Even the orderliness and spectacular beauty of the heavens which the Hubble Bubble Telescope have managed to capture of star clusters and galaxies is incredible, at least to me.

Bad analogy. This isn't evidence that your religious beleifs are true. If you make a claim that a God exists and caused anything you need direct evidence, not language tricks.

Psalm 19:1 says: "The heavens declare the glory of Elohim; And the firmament showeth his handiwork."

Irrelevant.

The Bible tells us that counsellors existed even in Biblical times. But the best counsellor a person can have is Yahweh. It is written: "I will bless Yahweh, who hath given me counsel; Yea, my heart instructeth me in the night seasons." (Psalm 16:7). We talk to Yahweh in prayer. That's one of the ways we get our psychological help. In any case, I would remind you that most therapists don't actually give advice. In fact, giving advice can go against the ethical codes. The point of psychological therapies in my experience having worked in the past for an organization providing psychological therapies for common mental health problems, such as anxiety, stress and depression is that there is an exploration of how one feels, and why they feel that way, helping a person to understand themselves and make decisions. The Word of Yahweh is an excellent source of challenging and exploring our thoughts. Many times when I am reading the Bible I am confronted with a solution or a change that I could make in my life.

Your beliefs are irrelevant, and we don't care. Where is the evidence that your beliefs are rational and based on fact?

When Job (in the Bible) had a traumatic experience of losing his children, his possessions and his health, his three friends came to attempt to give him what should have been psychological support, but seemed to actually have treated Job mostly in a condescending way, not realizing that Yahweh was testing him. Nonetheless, it was friends who offered people assistance mentally, not someone necessarily paid and taking all your money to hear about your problems. Yahshua our Savior is called a Wonderful Counsellor in Isaiah 9:6. It is His counsel that will endure.

This is just a story, and interpreting it is irrelevant to what is real and true about things.

I disagree.

The Laws of Yahweh are excellent Laws and the Bible could not have been written under no inspiration from Yahweh, but righteous men moved by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote the Word of Yahweh.

2 Peter 1:21
"For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from Yahweh, being moved by the Holy Spirit."

Fine, you like the laws, then follow them. But they have no authority beyond what believers like you decide for themselves. It ends with you. There's no Yahweh coming forth standing behind anything you believe.

One of the ways you can prove the Bible's veracity is the unmistakable predictions in Bible prophesy. We are seeing Bible prophesy being fulfilled today. I hope you realize that. There is a perfection in Yahweh's Law that far outstrips that of the rules and regulations which are contained in other religions. When we don't judge the Law, but allow the Law to judge us (James 4:11), we can become the obedient, spiritual, holy people that Yahweh desires of us. You are judging Yahweh's Law as immoral when in fact, it is man that is immoral and Yahweh that is just.

Yeah, there's been all sorts of predictions and assertions that Bible prophesy has come to pass. But these interpretation are so dubious and flawed that no one can make any definitive conclusion. You keep falling back on what your religious community believes, and that isn't a valid basis for an argument. You need clear evidence and a coherent argument that is cohesive. Logic also demands that you not make assumptions, likle assuming the Bible is true, and that the God it refers to exists.

Many Jews and Chr-stians don't keep the commandments of Yahweh, yes.

Right. It's as if even they know it's nonsense and can't be taken seriously.

The Chr-stians have rejected Yahweh's Law claiming that the New Covenant requires nothing to do with the Law, while they are a number of Jews who are secular Jews today. People are becoming more immoral, people aren't becoming more moral and this is what you seem to fail to understand. You have the evolution mentality where you think everything has improved in society, including our moral state, but although many advances have been made technologically and knowledge has increased as described in Daniel 12:4, there's an unravelling of what was the moral fabric of our lands. This fabric kept society functioning. Children were taught to respect their elders, to not tell lies, even if it meant getting in trouble, to work hard for six days of the week etc.

How do all these believers get away with defying God and nothing bad happens to them?

Yahshua our Savior was perfect, spiritually speaking, because He kept the commandments of Yahweh. Was Yahshua immoral? I think we would have a big problem if you were to claim this, yet actually, I am just as equally offended that you are calling the Law immoral. Why don't more people see the good of commandment-keeping and see that Yahshua was simply the Word made flesh (John 1:14), an actual living embodiment of everything the Bible and the Law teaches us to be?

Why assume any of this is true? You make all these assumptions but don't explain why.

They are many examples of rebellion in children nowadays which wouldn't be the case if children feared or respected their parents. The example I gave demonstrates a downslide in the morality of this world. Years ago one would never hear of something so disconcerting and these things are becoming the norm. Yahweh's Law, despite your misgivings (a "Bronze Age religious text"), shows us a standard to which we can always refer to, even if the world's standards change so as to normalize what actually is immoral behavior.

It's not as if following the Bible literally has made any Christian moral. Morality is often a very difficult issue where there is no absolute answer. How do believers solve moral problems in a perfect way? They don't. I do see believers decide that their God must agree with them, and they use their idea of God as window dressing as some kind of authority that the believer doesn't have themselves.

It does work. The Bible is more relevant in our era than any other era known to man.

Romans 13:11
"And this, knowing the season, that already it is time for you to awake out of sleep: for now is salvation nearer to us than when we first believed."

Secular nations don't need the Bible, or any interpretation that believers offer. Religious folks are free to believe what they want for themselves, and it ends there. Does it not bother you that those Americans using the Bible to push dangerous political polices are harming citizens? Look at women unable to get medical care when their pregnancies go wrong. There are reports of some women dying because they were refused care due to laws by religious republicans. Is that how the bible works?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Then would you be fine with Joe Biden being charged with nearly 100 criminal offenses after he leaves office, even if done to make sure he wouldn't be able to run for president again in 2028?

If he has committed crimes, then charge him.
Like Trump.

 

[Soandso]

Then would you be fine with Joe Biden being charged with nearly 100 criminal offenses after he leaves office, even if done to make sure he wouldn't be able to run for president again in 2028?

There's a difference between someone being held accountable for 91 felony charges that the DA feels it has enough evidence to pursue a conviction vs. just manufacturing cases out of thin air to eliminate political opponents. This isn't Trump's first foray into legal issues as he has a long history of scamming people. There's only so much he can get away with before his history catches up with him and he reaps what he sows

All that said, and to answer your question, I would be fine with Joe Biden or ANY former president being legally held accountable for his or her criminal actions. We are talking felonies here, and honestly Trump should have been held to task long ago for a lot of the things he's gotten away with even before this incident

If the DA should indict Biden on felony charges I'd hope he'd have enough awareness to gracefully bow out of the race and focus on his legal problems instead of dragging the country into turmoil and seeking presidency to save his own skin via a self pardon. Disgusting

 

[Kathryn]

I live in the world. I am aware that there are other countries besides my own. Do you find that strange?

I don't find it strange but I find it a bit offsetting, seeing how fixated you seem to be on US politics.

 

[Kathryn]

The problem is refugees and refugees are not illegal immigrants.

That's your belief. I believe that the problem is illegal immigrants.

 

[metis]

Navalny also made it clear what happens to people who can be put in prison for the rest of their life just because those in power don't like him.

And there's reason to fear that Trump would be willing to do the same, and that's from some present and/or former Republicans as well.

 

[metis]

with the result being more than 10,000,000 illegals in this country cluttering the streets, committing crimes, and draining our resources

That is a stereotype as their crime rate is lower than with us Americans. Maybe they should stay here and we be deported.

 

[metis]

My opinion is something has to be done about the fact that illegal immigrants are pouring in to the U.S at a fantastic rate.b

The Senate was on its way with passing such a bill mostly written by Republicans, but it was stopped by Trump because Biden would get credit for it.

IOW, the Republicans put party politics over border security.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's your belief. I believe that the problem is illegal immigrants.

No, it is a legal fact. I can even show you the law. You are treating two separate groups as if they were one and the same. Don't you remember when you tried to use the fact that you live in Texas as if it meant anything in this debate? You have just demonstrated that you have very little understanding of the problems at all.33