"The Top 10 Claims Made by Creationists to Counter Scientific Theories"

[Skwim]

Yeah right you could only wish you know the bible, Seeing you can't put the simplest things together in the Bible.

Note: I wrote a good half a dozen lines in reply here, but have decided to pare them down to a few words.

I am truly sorry for you. Believe what you need to, Take care, and have a good day.

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[Faithofchristian]

To Faithofchristian:

Most modern English translations of the Old Testament (OT) bible are translated from the Hebrew Masoretic Text (MT), and supplement some passages with the Greek Septuagint, like the KJV, and more recently, supplemented with the mid-20th century discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Jehoiachin’s conflicting ages are found in the same translation. But ages are not only contradicting here.

When we compare the ages of the patriarchs of when they became fathers to their sons (the future patriarchs), in Genesis 5 and 11 genealogy, most patriarchs were found to be 100 years older in the Septuagint, than those same patriarchs found in the Masoretic Text-based translations (eg KJV, NIV, NRSV, NASB, etc).

For instance, in Genesis 5:3-5, it say Adam was 130 years old, when Seth was born in the MT, but in the Septuagint, Adam was 230 years old.

And it is the same with Seth, all the way to Enoch becoming father to Methuselah. 100 years extra are found from Adam to Enoch, when comparing the Septuagint and Masoretic in Genesis 5.

The same pattern occurred with the differences of 100 years, starting with Shem’s son, Arpachshad, down to Serug, father of Nahor.

With Nahor, the difference is 150 years, displaying at 29 when he became father to Terah in Masoretic translations, and 179 in the Septuagint.

In the whole 2 books, only Noah, Shem and Terah are in agreement with ages between the two main sources.

The Samaritan Torah agree with the Masoretic in Genesis 5 genealogy, but with the Septuagint in Genesis 11 genealogy.

Other sources, like the Aramaic Targum Onkelos, the Syriac Pe****ta and the Latin Vulgate are in agreement with MT.

Unfortunately we don’t have the whole Genesis 5 (only 5:13-14 survived) and Genesis 11 is completely missing, from the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Dead Sea Scrolls is missing verse 12, which would have specify Kenan’s age, but verses 13 & 14 give us 840 & 910, so Kenan would have been 70 years old when he became father to Mahalalel (910-840 = 70). So the DSS most likely would have agree with Masoretic Text.

So the questions are which translation do you normally read, and how do you explain the discrepancies found in different sources to Genesis 5 & 11, Faithofchristian?

First of all what does everything that you given have to do with 2nd kings 24:6-8 and
2nd Chronicles 36:8-9.

Maybe you should try staying with the subject at hand.
Besides all the books that you give there was only one book that was used in reference and that was KJV 1611.

I am not one to try and keep up with all those other books, As I use to do, I have found it's much better to go by one book than try to carry a bunch of other books around.
And as for Translation, I have the Strong's Concordance of the Hebrew and Greek and the companion bible which also has the Hebrew and Greek and English Translations.

So if you want to talk about the Bible with me, go by the KJV 1611, other than that, you will find it no use with me.

This is why your all mix-up and confused, trying to keep up with so many other Translations of the bible.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Note: I wrote a good half a dozen lines in reply here, but have decided to pare them down to a few words.

I am truly sorry for you. Believe what you need to, Take care, and have a good day.

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It really hurts to have your parade rained on
But I do like to be presented with a challenge.
When people say there are contradictions in the Bible.

 

[Looncall]

First of all what does everything that you given have to do with 2nd kings 24:6-8 and
2nd Chronicles 36:8-9.

Maybe you should try staying with the subject at hand.
Besides all the books that you give there was only one book that was used in reference and that was KJV 1611.

I am not one to try and keep up with all those other books, As I use to do, I have found it's much better to go by one book than try to carry a bunch of other books around.
And as for Translation, I have the Strong's Concordance of the Hebrew and Greek and the companion bible which also has the Hebrew and Greek and English Translations.

So if you want to talk about the Bible with me, go by the KJV 1611, other than that, you will find it no use with me.

This is why your all mix-up and confused, trying to keep up with so many other Translations of the bible.

I see. You superstitiously stick with an outdated translation. This demonstrates the usual indifference of the religious toward accuracy.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I see. You superstitiously stick with an outdated translation. This demonstrates the usual indifference of the religious toward accuracy.

Your really to funny.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see. You superstitiously stick with an outdated translation. This demonstrates the usual indifference of the religious toward accuracy.

He is guilty of the "sin" of making a false idol of the Bible. Ironically breaking the 2nd Commandment by doing so.

 

[ecco]

The Celestial man is not of this world.
Just think about all those UFO sightings,
Makes a person think , are they real,
As for myself and other people I know, believe they are real.

A Holy Roller and a UFO believer! Do you also believe in astrology? Vaccines cause autism? Phrenology? Dowsing?

One of the problems with being born and raised ultra-religious is that it completely destroys every shred of critical thinking.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A Holy Roller and a UFO believer! Do you also believe in astrology? Vaccines cause autism? Phrenology? Dowsing?

One of the problems with being born and raised ultra-religious is that it completely destroys every shred of critical thinking.

Everybody knows that all of those are bogus. Just don't bring up voodoo. No one wants to mess with voodoo

 

[ecco]

"Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign,"
"Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign,"

But it will not work with me, I do know the bible probably better than most people do.

All you have done is show the great lengths biblical apologists will go through to try to justify their silly beliefs.

 

[ecco]

To Faithofchristian:

Most modern English translations of the Old Testament (OT) bible are translated from the Hebrew Masoretic Text (MT), and supplement some passages with the Greek Septuagint,...
...

Dead Sea Scrolls is missing verse 12, which would have specify Kenan’s age, but verses 13 & 14 ...

So the questions are which translation do you normally read, and how do you explain the discrepancies found in different sources to Genesis 5 & 11, Faithofchristian?

Gee, it sounds like gnostic knows a lot more about the bible than Faithofchristian does.

 

[ecco]

Your really to funny.

How can you pretend to know and understand something as complex as the bible when you cannot even write correct English?

Four words, two mistakes...
"Your really to funny."


You're really too funny.

Maybe that explains why you believe eight is the same as eighteen.

 

[Stevicus]

A Holy Roller and a UFO believer! Do you also believe in astrology? Vaccines cause autism? Phrenology? Dowsing?

One of the problems with being born and raised ultra-religious is that it completely destroys every shred of critical thinking.

I hadn't heard of "dowsing" before, so I had to look it up. I found that it related to finding water through the use of divining rods, which I had heard of. I just hadn't heard it called "dowsing" though.

It reminds me of an episode where Bugs Bunny got a funny feeling come over him whenever there was gold nearby. That would be a useful talent.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I hadn't heard of "dowsing" before, so I had to look it up. I found that it related to finding water through the use of divining rods, which I had heard of. I just hadn't heard it called "dowsing" though.

It reminds me of an episode where Bugs Bunny got a funny feeling come over him whenever there was gold nearby. That would be a useful talent.

If you have heard of the Amazing Randi and his $1,000,000.00 dollar challenge he had a version of this the he did in Australia when he only had $10,000 or was it $100,000.00? I can't remember for sure. At any rate the best dowsers in Australia met his challenge. They all agreed that the test was fair and that they were sure that they could pass it. They all failed rather spectacularly. It is about an hour long video and I could link it for you if you wish.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

And the Celestial man is from above. The only way for you to understand the Celestial man, think of an alien, like a UFO being.

So where is the evidence for their existence?

The bible speaks about the Celestial man and the Terrestrial man.
The Celestial man being, is not of our world. But from above.
The Terrestrial man is human beings of the earth.
The bible speaks about alot of things that people are not even aware of.

But where is the evidence that any of the things the Bible talks about are true?

 

[leibowde84]

What I'm looking for, is for you to start at the beginning and put everything in order.
From the book of Genesis to the book of Revelation. Can you do that. Not leaving anything out.

I'm still not clear on what you are asking for. You are asking me to write out the entirety of the Bible for you? Why would you want me to do that? I thought you said you already knew the Bible well.

 

[leibowde84]

What makes you think, the bible is contradictions,
Everything in the Bible is in order.
If you had any knowledge or understanding about the bible. Unto which you don't.

Had you any idea about the bible, You would haved found in the Bible, Prophecy that was given 2000 years ago are now being fulfilled about people like yourself.

It seems like everyone on this site understands the Bible better than you. I would suggest looking into historical studies of the Bible. That might make you understand it better.

 

[Faithofchristian]

It seems like everyone on this site understands the Bible better than you. I would suggest looking into historical studies of the Bible. That might make you understand it better.

I understand the Bible perfectly, just people have no knowledge or understanding about the bible.

 

[leibowde84]

Then prove me wrong, about the bible ?
Go ahead give it your best shot.

Have you done a study on the science of human geology.
So what is the difference between the Celestial man and the Terrestrial man ?

That's easy ... other than mere claims in the Bible, there is no evidence supporting the existence of celestial men.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I'm still not clear on what you are asking for. You are asking me to write out the entirety of the Bible for you? Why would you want me to do that? I thought you said you already knew the Bible well.

Can you explain exactly how everything is to come down, by starting at the beginning to the end.

 

[leibowde84]

I understand the Bible perfectly, just people have no knowledge or understanding about the bible.

Seems like you are guilty of the sin of pride. I don't think it is possible for a human being to understand the Bible perfectly. There is no "perfect" in this reality.