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The Trinity

kjw47

kjw47

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Yes said:
Jesus has a Father because Jesus is God with a body. They are exactly the same.

What differences do you think they have?


Gods word clearly teaches-- as a mortal on earth--Jesus was made-LOWER- than the angels) ---- thus--not God---Gods power went through him( Acts2:22) as well not 1 lower than an angel receives worship--when they bowed to Jesus-they bowed to their king-in obesiance( worship is a gross mistranslation--misleading)


That scripture does not say Jesus is not God. All scriptures prove that Jesus is God.

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Jesus hands over the kingdom to the Father...that is after we are made exactly like Jesus' body.

no where does it teach what you said.

We will all be the same.


We will all be --ONE--in purpose with Jehovah and Jesus.
The scriptures say his, Jesus', kingdom will have no end.

Actually in the Lords prayer--last line( do you believe Jesus???)--The kingdom, power, and glory all belong to the--Father( Yhwh(Jehovah)

Luke 1:31 and he will reign over Jacob's descendants forever; his kingdom will never end."

Did you read that?

Jesus is God. If Jesus was not God, then his kingdom would end, especially when Jesus hands the kingdom over to the Father.

However, Jesus' kingdom will never end, even after he, in bodily form, hands over the kingdom to his Father.


We will all be the same. We will all be like Jesus. We will all be like Jesus is, who is God.



You are badly mistaken, not knowing the scriptures or God.
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truth from Jesus--John 20:17, Rev 3:12---- we all must choose who we believe. Afterall have you forgotten--these teachers are in the world-2THESS 2:3--2Cor 11:12-15------ my advice to you---BELIEVE JESUS.
 
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Yes

Oh how I love the Word of God!
kjw47 said:
truth from Jesus--John 20:17, Rev 3:12---- we all must choose who we believe. Afterall have you forgotten--these teachers are in the world-2THESS 2:3--2Cor 11:12-15------ my advice to you---BELIEVE JESUS.
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Try explaining your beliefs.
You do not even address the scriptures I give, or answer the questions I ask.

I believe Jesus. I do not think you know him or the scriptures.
 
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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
rusra02 said:
If something or someone is firstborn, they are still part of what they are firstborn. Thus, Jesus is the firstborn of every creature, since he himself as God's Son, was created. Thus Revelation 4:13 rightly and correctly calls Jesus "the beginning of the creation by God."
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Firstborn does not mean created no matter how hard you try to make it mean what you want it to mean.
 
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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
Yes said:
Jesus has a Father because Jesus is God with a body. They are exactly the same.

What differences do you think they have?



That scripture does not say Jesus is not God. All scriptures prove that Jesus is God.

Jesus hands over the kingdom to the Father...that is after we are made exactly like Jesus' body.

We will all be the same.

The scriptures say his, Jesus', kingdom will have no end

Luke 1:31 and he will reign over Jacob's descendants forever; his kingdom will never end."

Did you read that?

Jesus is God. If Jesus was not God, then his kingdom would end, especially when Jesus hands the kingdom over to the Father.

However, Jesus' kingdom will never end, even after he, in bodily form, hands over the kingdom to his Father.


We will all be the same. We will all be like Jesus. We will all be like Jesus is, who is God.

You are badly mistaken, not knowing the scriptures or God.
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You raise some excellent points! Thank you for being here.
Blessings,
Katie
 
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fschmidt

Old Testament Reactionary
I'm not Christian but I did major in mathematics and I think it is worth noting that 1 beef patty + 1 slice of cheese + 1 bun = 1 cheeseburger.
 
kjw47

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Yes said:
Try explaining your beliefs.
You do not even address the scriptures I give, or answer the questions I ask.

I believe Jesus. I do not think you know him or the scriptures.
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I can share 6 teachings found in every translation on earth that Jesus gave to all--yet you will reject them as every trinity follower I have shown these to have--WHY? Because they are not taught the teachings of Jesus in a building called--CHURCH. So they do not know them---this is sad.
 
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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
rusra02 said:
If something or someone is firstborn, they are still part of what they are firstborn. Thus, Jesus is the firstborn of every creature, since he himself as God's Son, was created. Thus Revelation 4:13 rightly and correctly calls Jesus "the beginning of the creation by God."[/QUOTE
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kjw47 said:
says--Trinitarian teachers who know if they do not say that--it exposes them as false teachers.
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Please post the definition
kjw47 said:
says--Trinitarian teachers who know if they do not say that--it exposes them as false teachers.
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Please post the definition of the Greek word prototokos, which is translated firstborn.

While you are at it, show me in the Greek interlinear the word "other," which the NWT have added to the passage.
 
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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
kjw47 said:
truth from Jesus--John 20:17, Rev 3:12---- we all must choose who we believe. Afterall have you forgotten--these teachers are in the world-2THESS 2:3--2Cor 11:12-15------ my advice to you---BELIEVE JESUS.
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Believe Jesus is God. Salvation depends upon it!
 
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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
JWs insist that Jesus was created. They base this on Col 1:15 because the verse uses the word "firstborn," which in Greek is prototokos.

Yet, no Greek dictionary EVER defines the word as created.

If someone has an honest heart, they will do a word study on prototokos. They will look at the word in every verse it is used in and see how it is used.

The word firstborn (prototokos) will sometimes mean “first in physical birth order," but not always. It sometimes means preeminence or superiority. Colossians1:15 is saying that Jesus has preeminence or superiority over all of creation.

Colossians1:15 does not say that Jesus is a created being. Christ’s deity is well attested to in this chapter and throughout the Bible. If Jehovah’s Witnesses believe this verse is saying that Jesus is a created being, they must have a preconceived belief, or a taught one, because they cannot get this meaning from the text.
 
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Oh how I love the Word of God!
kjw47 said:
I can share 6 teachings found in every translation on earth that Jesus gave to all--yet you will reject them as every trinity follower I have shown these to have--WHY? Because they are not taught the teachings of Jesus in a building called--CHURCH. So they do not know them---this is sad.
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Why are you talking to me like this? Where have I said Jesus has not given to all?
 
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