Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
You're right, it does. Most people don't recognize that fact.
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The Trinity
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Shermana
Heretic
The Tetragrammaton never applies to Jesus, and if you want to get into John 8:58, it technically says at face value "Before Abraham will exist, I am". That's why you have to understand the tenses issue there.
Also, even if you translate Nahum as "YHWH is a god", that makes perfect sense, considering he is the "god of the gods"
The title "lord" is hardly exclusive to the most high god, apparently David was called "lord".
Also, even if you translate Nahum as "YHWH is a god", that makes perfect sense, considering he is the "god of the gods"
The title "lord" is hardly exclusive to the most high god, apparently David was called "lord".
Again, that's desperate.
This is a sentence without predicate.
Matthew 1:1 can be easily read as "A book". Like "A post by Shermana". "A Warner Bros film".
That's very poor Greek!
Study the genitive case!!!
That's even much much poorer Greek!!!
Where have you learnt Greek by the way?
Not the point. Read better.
Shermana
Heretic
John 1:18 is not necessarily the start of a new sentence, it's quite a controversial verse in how to interpret it, it's also controversial in the manuscript differences. I appreciate the fact that you think calling my response "poor Greek" is a sufficient reply.
When you say "Not the point", that was your own example, what was the point then?
When you say "Not the point", that was your own example, what was the point then?
I've already explained this to you...
Don't make me quote old posts.
This is the correct one:
(John 8:58 [NIV]) I tell you the truth, Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
lol
Now you're saying YHWH is a god.
Please try not to look that desperate. This has nothing to do with the start of the verse. Whether theos or uios are used, this has nothing to do with the first part.
I think you should study the genitive case and probably the definite articles. The translations you gave are pretty funny.
You said that the genitive meant of the. Why then is there των ?
Do I need to?
You're doing a pretty good job disproving yourself.
You're saying YHWH is a god.
What happened to your anarthrous issue then?
Shermana
Heretic
Did you forget what you just said about such a rendition would make the sentence awkward by itself?
Calling them funny is not a substitute for disproving what I say.
Because of the difference in subject and case. Compare :
to
Matthew 13:30 N-GMS
"Let both grow together until the harvest and in the time of harvest"
BIB: ἕως τοῦ θερισμοῦ· καὶ ἐν
NAS: until the harvest; and in the time
Why is it used here? "Until of the harvest" apparently has the same context of "Lord of the harvest", strange...at first.
Shermana
Heretic
Please quote Psalms 136:2 and please state the definition of "god".
Do you remember when I asked you if you disagreed with the NLT version of 2 Cor 4:4?
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Shermana
Heretic
What part about Psalm 136:2 do you want to ignore particularly? I don't understand why that would relate to the Anarthrous issue. Yashua is a god, and YHWH is a god, though he is the "god of the gods". Again, I ask, do you know what the word "god" actually means?
It seems you totally ignored what I mentioned the use of the article for in the first place.
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I said your translation is the poor one. Here is the proper one:
No one has ever seen God
Actually if you do some study yourself, you'll see that.
There isn't difference in case.
You look like you don't know what you're talking about.
Anyone sensing desperation?
Shermana
Heretic
If no one has ever seen G-d, apparently Moses was lying. Apparently Adam never actually heard and saw G-d in the garden either. It's "A god no one has ever seen".
Apparently there's no difference in case of "Until the harvest comes" from "Lord of the harvest", fascinating.
Apparently there's no difference in case of "Until the harvest comes" from "Lord of the harvest", fascinating.
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javajo
Well-Known Member
While I don't know what the NLT version is, I am familiar with both verses. Notice, there is but one God, capital G, but many 'gods', small g. Now are these actual gods or do people make them gods? Satan is 'god' of this world in a sense at this moment, but God is really in control. We know that idols are not real gods, as there is only one and he doesn't live in wood and stone. These are demons. Satan and the demons are fallen angels whom God created, they aren't really Gods, they are made gods by people worshiping them. There's only one God.
Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Cor. 8:4b-6, Gal. 4:8
What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 1 Cor. 10:19-21
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Shermana
Heretic
Do you know why the article is used for G-d in the first place? Why don't you actually quote Psalm 136:2. There's only one MOST HIGH god. There's only one "god of Israel". In Exodus, it states each nation had an appointed "god" to watch over them, aka angels. (Again, the Septuagint translates "Elohim" as "Angels" in Psalm 8:5), and that Jacob was the Most High's share. Angels are called gods. Even fallen angels are called gods. That's why the Evil one is called a "god". There's only one Most High god. Genesis clearly uses the word "Elohim" for angels even.
Notice what Paul says, in detail
It would help if you actually knew the meaning of the word "god'>
Notice what Paul says, in detail
Just as there are many "lords", there are in fact many "gods", even if many are false idols, there are still many gods and lords. But the Most high is the "god of the gods".
It would help if you actually knew the meaning of the word "god'>
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I don't think I have to say anything here.