The Truth about the war in Ukraine

[ElishaElijah]

Complete, unadulterated nonsense that obscures logic and common sense. To blame Biden for this is just so utterly crazy as oil is sold on the international market with the U.S. only being one of the many countries that buys some. We at the same time export much of our oil on that same market whereas we are more an exporter of oil than an importer: The U.S. exported slightly more petroleum than it imported in the first half of 2021 - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)


If you want to support fascist Putin's BFF Donald Trump, that's your choice, but such neo-fascists do not fit into those seriously who are inChrist. If you can't even see that, then we can see where much of the problem really lies.

If this is true then why was Biden using our oil reserve to lower prices, this was November 2021:
President Biden Announces Release from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve As Part of Ongoing Efforts to Lower Prices and Address Lack of Supply Around the World | The White House
Senate Democrat calls on Biden to release oil from strategic reserves

 

[F1fan]

Do tell what the error of the story or do you dismiss due to the source even though it’s true?

If you cite right wing disinformation and don't know it then that is evidence that it's working as propaganda.

Find reputable media sources. If you don't know what those are then you should avoid forming opinions, and posting them.

 

[F1fan]

If this is true then why was Biden using our oil reserve to lower prices, this was November 2021:
President Biden Announces Release from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve As Part of Ongoing Efforts to Lower Prices and Address Lack of Supply Around the World | The White House
Senate Democrat calls on Biden to release oil from strategic reserves

Gas prices have been higher, over a dollar higher per gallon before. It's not as if gas prices are painfully expensive. The oil market is global. The US government isn't socialist so can't control market prices.

Conservatives have no right to complain about market prices when you constantly ask for markets to be free.

Plus, Biden has suggested suspending the federal gas tax for a period of time, and that will lower prices about 30-40 cents. Did you know this?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Conservatives have no right to complain about market prices when you constantly ask for markets to be free.

You know why we have free market and competition? So prices will be lower not higher. A gallon of gas was 1.99 when Trump left office.

 

[ElishaElijah]

If you cite right wing disinformation and don't know it then that is evidence that it's working as propaganda.

Find reputable media sources. If you don't know what those are then you should avoid forming opinions, and posting them.

What’s the propaganda? You don’t know and it’s not disinformation. You probably didn’t read the article, you cannot say there are errors in the story, so you’re wrong.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Gas prices have been higher, over a dollar higher per gallon before. It's not as if gas prices are painfully expensive. The oil market is global. The US government isn't socialist so can't control market prices.

Conservatives have no right to complain about market prices when you constantly ask for markets to be free.

Plus, Biden has suggested suspending the federal gas tax for a period of time, and that will lower prices about 30-40 cents. Did you know this?

It is ironic that the 'supply and demand' side is complaining about prices.

 

[F1fan]

What’s the propaganda? You don’t know and it’s not disinformation. You probably didn’t read the article, you cannot say there are errors in the story, so you’re wrong.

If you use poor quality media then your views with reflect that poor quality.

 

[ElishaElijah]

If you use poor quality media then your views with reflect that poor quality.

Well, like I said, for you to say “it’s propaganda” and “disinformation” but cannot cite either one, just goes to show you that you’re the one that’s been deceived by your own news source propaganda.

 

[InChrist]

Complete, unadulterated nonsense that obscures logic and common sense. To blame Biden for this is just so utterly crazy as oil is sold on the international market with the U.S. only being one of the many countries that buys some. We at the same time export much of our oil on that same market whereas we are more an exporter of oil than an importer: The U.S. exported slightly more petroleum than it imported in the first half of 2021 - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

If you want to support fascist Putin's BFF Donald Trump, that's your choice, but such neo-fascists do not fit into those seriously who are inChrist. If you can't even see that, then we can see where much of the problem really lies.

I don’t support Putin and do not care what Trump says on the subject. I just think that Biden has ulterior motives in this situation and that there is so much more going on behind what we are being led to believe. It’s important to look at the big picture. I am not on either side when it comes to warmongering. The only side I am on is God’s side as I watch biblical prophecy being played out on the world scene.

 

[InChrist]

Neo-Fascist Trump supporters continue to show their true colors, blaming the President for an attack by Putin. It is damned sickening.

I don’t like, nor support Trump.

 

[InChrist]

They are no doubt waiting impatiently for trump's social media site Pravda so they can live deeper in their disinformation bubble. It must suck that informed thinkers are prevalent on RF and other forums to fact check them and expose their low quality media sources.

I don’t listen to or trust Trump.

 

[Secret Chief]

Let's note that Formula 1 has dropped the Russian Grand Prix in 2022 due to the invasion.

"Many sports governing bodies, clubs and players have reacted to the Russian invasion of Ukraine by cancelling or postponing events due to be held in the region."
- Poland to boycott game against Russia

Perhaps RF could show solidarity with the people of Ukraine by cancelling the accounts of our own fascist sympathisers.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Sure, point out the corrupt people and all the investigations going on by law enforcement. We can compare the list to what trump is facing. Deal? Or will you not respond because you are not being honest and can't back up your bluff?

Seriously? I don't care about Trump. All I care about now is the mess we have in leadership now.
The obsession some liberals still have with Trump is disturbing.
At the very least, the Chinese were paying the vice president’s son for government access. But it also seems that the Chinese were paying Joe Biden millions through his son.

 

[InChrist]

"Many sports governing bodies, clubs and players have reacted to the Russian invasion of Ukraine by cancelling or postponing events due to be held in the region."
- Poland to boycott game against Russia

Perhaps RF could show solidarity with the people of Ukraine by cancelling the accounts of our own fascist sympathisers.

You may want to stand back a bit and evaluate the ramifications of such a suggestion and attitude toward anyone who has questions or desires to understand more details of the situation. Labeling or censorship doesn’t usually fall on the side of wisdom or truth.


“But the reality of how people are actually understanding this is very easily recognizable. It's a consensus, a unified consensus. Again, leaving aside the question of whether this is correct or incorrect or accurate or inaccurate.

But the unified consensus and elite American political and media discourse is very clear. The war is the fault, if not entirely overwhelmingly, of a single villain, as is typically the case, a madman, a dictator, a deranged and hateful and maniacal, genocidal war criminal. Vladimir Putin, the president of Russia. It's all his fault. It's an act of extreme evil and immorality. What it is that he's doing in Ukraine.

And nobody else deserves any of the responsibility or blame that if you were to suggest that the blame might be more appropriately divided up among various parties, or if you question whether, in fact, that narrative is correct, you will be immediately obliterated as disloyal to the United States as a Kremlin agent, and this is not new. We've seen this many times before in the wake of 9/11.

Anyone who questioned the George Bush Dick Cheney policy of the war on terror and the various wars it included was accused of being on the side of Al-Qaeda, was accused of being a fifth columnist or somebody lacking patriotism. This was common, George Bush and one of his first speeches before the joint session of Congress in October, less than a month after the September 11th attack, famously announced to the world the binary framework that he believed was appropriate, which is you're either with us or you with the terrorists, meaning you either support everything we're doing, in which case you're with us, You don't just say that you're with us, but you take action to support what we're doing. And the only other alternative is you're with the terrorists.

That was the binary framework that George Bush and his neocon speechwriter, David Frum and advisers and Dick Cheney deliberately cultivated. And obviously, we see that same framework being deliberately cultivated now in this binary. You either support President Biden and his policies and affirm with all of your heart, with all of your might in an unquestioning way the narrative that is the consensus of American elites, both right and left that I just articulated, that's one option.

There's only one other option. It's binary. You're on the side of Russia, you're a traitor, you're treasonous to the states and you are a Kremlin asset or a Kremlin agent or a useful idiot. You're either with us or you're with the Russians. That is the framework that has again been imposed is the framework that we've seen so many times throughout American history to quash dissent, to delegitimize dissenters, to destroy the reputation of anyone seeking to question the prevailing narrative.

And most importantly of all, to create a climate where, you know, you know that if you want to publicly express any doubt, even if you want to just raise concerns or questions about what you're being told you must affirm, you know what the punishment will be. It's the social scorn and ostracization that I referenced earlier that we all instinctively avoid because of how we're made up. You will be mauled widely at the slightest sign of dissent.”


“We've seen so many times, so many times in so many wars, in the pandemic, in every civil liberties crisis where the consensus is wrong, either in whole or in part, even if you're somebody who agrees in large part or entirely with that moral binary framework that I described: you still have an interest in allowing others, who see things a little bit differently or who want to ask questions designed to determine the validity of that argument and the response of the United States to all of this, it's still in your interest to allow people to be able to do that without being demonized or punished or cast out.”

quotes -
Glenn Greenwald,
Investigative journalist

 

[F1fan]

Seriously? I don't care about Trump.

I find this hard to believe. trump is still holding your political party by the throat and only a few dare say anything against him.

All I care about now is the mess we have in leadership now.

You're an angry conservative who is excellent at complaining but terrible at explaining what you are so upset about, except that trump was thrown out of office for being corrupt.

The obsession some liberals still have with Trump is disturbing.

Obsession? Do you you mean the many criminal investigations looking into his corruption? Why did you you conservatives nominate and elect such a corrupt guy?

At the very least, the Chinese were paying the vice president’s son for government access. But it also seems that the Chinese were paying Joe Biden millions through his son.

More right wing nonsense.

 

[F1fan]

You know why we have free market and competition? So prices will be lower not higher.

Which results in mergers and monopolies, and then there is no competition. The next step: government regulation and approving of mergers. So your ideal just doesn't work itself out without causing problems. Government regulations exist to help stabilize markets and trade.

A gallon of gas was 1.99 when Trump left office.

After the pandemic where we had to lockdown due to trump's denial that there was a pandemic, thus making it worse, and forcing people to extreme measures like lockdowns? Less demand for gas because we had to lockdown due to so much spread of Covid.

You guys love your cartoon scenario thinking. It's just not real.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I find this hard to believe. trump is still holding your political party by the throat and only a few dare say anything against him.


You're an angry conservative who is excellent at complaining but terrible at explaining what you are so upset about, except that trump was thrown out of office for being corrupt.


Obsession? Do you you mean the many criminal investigations looking into his corruption? Why did you you conservatives nominate and elect such a corrupt guy?


More right wing nonsense.

Lol, see this is exactly the kind of stuff I expect from people who only think of politics as " my guy" vs ", your guy".
Fact is, I don't have any loyalty anymore to any political party or person.
I dare say Trump is not a very good person. I never liked him. But I dislike his politics less than I dislike the other sides. That's it. I'm not angry, I'm extremely disappointed in both parties. I have been saying for years :"is this the best we can do?"
Why do we keep getting the worst candidates possible?
I don't trust Biden and I don't trust him to make good decisions. If we still had Trump I would be in a similar situation. I don't trust any of them at this point.

 

[F1fan]

Lol, see this is exactly the kind of stuff I expect from people who only think of politics as " my guy" vs ", your guy".
Fact is, I don't have any loyalty anymore to any political party or person.
I dare say Trump is not a very good person. I never liked him. But I dislike his politics less than I dislike the other sides. That's it. I'm not angry, I'm extremely disappointed in both parties. I have been saying for years :"is this the best we can do?"
Why do we keep getting the worst candidates possible?
I don't trust Biden and I don't trust him to make good decisions. If we still had Trump I would be in a similar situation. I don't trust any of them at this point.

I see a lot of emotion here, lots of complaints. I don't see anything about what you want. No solutions. No better options. No plans.

That suggests to me that you have no real thought out perspective on any of this.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I see a lot of emotion here, lots of complaints. I don't see anything about what you want. No solutions. No better options. No plans.

That suggests to me that you have no real thought out perspective on any of this.

My perspective is that we are probably screwed. I would like to see the conservative party come up with a good candidate. But I'm not holding my breath.

 

[F1fan]

My perspective is that we are probably screwed. I would like to see the conservative party come up with a good candidate. But I'm not holding my breath.

This is still overly vague. Don't be afraid of words and sentences.