The two or three witness rule of Jehovah's Witnesses

[kjw47]

well said kjw,

the fact is, any church could have proved to be the fds had they remained in the word of truth. Jesus never said the fds would be perfect infallible men or would already know everything or would never make a mistake.

The factors which gained them favor was their willingness to preach the good news of the kingdom as Jesus instructed and teach people the truth found in the bible. They were consistently striving to do that even when under test and trial.

If someone doesnt like what they teach they are not being forced to stay. They are welcome to go and find another church who they think is doing the right thing and teaching the right things. The door swings open both ways.

Hi Pegg, I hope you are well. Thank you for the encouraging words.

 

[savagewind]

By teaching Jesus' truths is what makes them the FDS. No one else on this earth does.

OK. If you know they ARE teaching Jesus' truths it means you kNOW Jesus' truths so why are they NEEDED to tell people what Jesus' truths are?

 

[savagewind]

well said kjw,

the fact is, any church could have proved to be the fds had they remained in the word of truth. Jesus never said the fds would be perfect infallible men or would already know everything or would never make a mistake.

The factors which gained them favor was their willingness to preach the good news of the kingdom as Jesus instructed and teach people the truth found in the bible. They were consistently striving to do that even when under test and trial.

If someone doesnt like what they teach they are not being forced to stay. They are welcome to go and find another church who they think is doing the right thing and teaching the right things. The door swings open both ways.

I do not like or dislike what they teach. Although if I didn't think they were seriously wrong I wouldn't be having so much fun! If I am right about Matthew 28:19. Matthew 24:4 and Matthew 7:23 than it is JESUS who "doesn't like" what they teach.

 

[savagewind]

They haven't been handed over yet. I think this occurs during the tribulation.
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Are you sure? So many times on the forum I hear "believe them or you will be judged". If the Kingdom isn't theirs what right do they have to control who goes in?

My bible says--- treacherous and desperate heart at Jer 17:9

It seems to me the governing body teach you to trust your treacherous and dangerous heart.

Yes many false reasonings come out of imperfect men--even Gods own. It is wise to correct when known.
Gods word warns--beware if you think you are standing strong.

Who thinks she is standing? I do not! The governing body believe they are standing.

Its always occurred in Gods religion--The Israelites fell away many times--The Pharisees had many bad teachings, Jesus tried to show them and they hated him( refusal to make corrections)
Anything with imperfect men involved will be imperfect--it is important to seek and find the errors and make corrections

I sent them a letter a long time ago telling them that it is not Jesus riding at Revelation 6:2 is not The Lord Jesus it is the likes of YOU. Has it been changed yet? It was a long time agao I wrote. They did not write back.

 

[savagewind]

Revelation 6:2 is about Matthew 24:5 For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Messiah,' and will deceive many.

Can anyone else see there exists a false vision of Jesus Christ?

Does anyone else see that coming in his name and saying HE is The Messiah is what Matthew 24:5 means.

WHO is SAVIOR? WHO has the power to save and to destroy? Is it Jesus? Or is Jesus doing the will of The Father who's power it is to save and to destroy?

You all are calling Jesus the destroyer. Matthew 24:5

 

[savagewind]

So sorry. Way, way off topic. He made me do it.

 

[kjw47]

OK. If you know they ARE teaching Jesus' truths it means you kNOW Jesus' truths so why are they NEEDED to tell people what Jesus' truths are?

John17:6,26--the name Jesus was calling --THE ONLY TRUE GOD= (YHWH(Jehovah) --The name he promised to keep making known( and he does through his real teachers and followers)
Jesus teaches--he has a God-his Father( Jehovah) --His real teachers teach that as well.
Jesus made all of his followers--fishers of men--top to bottom--all need to know Jesus' truths to share. 7.9 billion being mislead--that is a very good reason all need to know and share.

 

[savagewind]

John17:6,26--the name Jesus was calling --THE ONLY TRUE GOD= (YHWH(Jehovah) --The name he promised to keep making known( and he does through his real teachers and followers)
Jesus teaches--he has a God-his Father( Jehovah) --His real teachers teach that as well.
Jesus made all of his followers--fishers of men--top to bottom--all need to know Jesus' truths to share. 7.9 billion being mislead--that is a very good reason all need to know and share.

OK. There are other people doing it too. But they are not associated with your group. Your group says they are not righteous because of one scripture your governing body have adopted as their own. What is your proof they are the faithful and discreet slave? What is your proof we must do things their way to make Jehovah glad?

 

[kjw47]

Are you sure? So many times on the forum I hear "believe them or you will be judged". If the Kingdom isn't theirs what right do they have to control who goes in?

It seems to me the governing body teach you to trust your treacherous and dangerous heart.

Who thinks she is standing? I do not! The governing body believe they are standing.


I sent them a letter a long time ago telling them that it is not Jesus riding at Revelation 6:2 is not The Lord Jesus it is the likes of YOU. Has it been changed yet? It was a long time agao I wrote. They did not write back.

Some do stand--always--some think they will stand always--then fall--it is wise to be sure.
They don't teach us to trust our heart--they teach us to trust Jesus' truths.

Rev 6:2--Michael( the war in heaven)--receives his crown--proving Michael is Jesus.

You actually think you know revelation better than Jesus' teachers---please. Talk about false reasoning from the heart we mentioned.

There will be 0 days on earth that a domestic will know truth before the FDS does.

 

[savagewind]

There will be 0 days on earth that a domestic will know truth before the FDS does.

Oh! That is true. But it isn't true the FDS are your men.

 

[savagewind]

Some do stand--always--some think they will stand always--then fall--it is wise to be sure.
They don't teach us to trust our heart--they teach us to trust Jesus' truths.


You actually think you know revelation better than Jesus' teachers---please. Talk about false reasoning from the heart we mentioned.

Thank you for your vote of confidence. Haha

Rev 6:2--Michael( the war in heaven)--receives his crown--proving Michael is Jesus.

why not prove this scripture is about either of them? It is about neither of them. It is about the ones coming in his name pretending they are for Jesus and Jehovah.

 

[kjw47]

OK. There are other people doing it too. But they are not associated with your group. Your group says they are not righteous because of one scripture your governing body have adopted as their own. What is your proof they are the faithful and discreet slave? What is your proof we must do things their way to make Jehovah glad?

Correcting errors in front of ridiculing hearts--proves truth is what they seek even above face. Fulfilling Daniel 12:4--only through Jesus' real teachers this will occur.
The Pharisees refused to correct errors because face meant more than truth.
The rest seem to think they are immune and bad teachings don't get in--but they err in thinking that--Peter had to correct teachers in congregations in his letters--Paul had to correct Peter one time. It has been an ongoing theme throughout Gods word--errors get in. they have to be found and corrected.
Satan' #1 job--attack Jesus' seed( true religion on earth)--he cannot defeat Jesus so he is coming after the seed.

 

[savagewind]

Correcting errors in front of ridiculing hearts--proves truth is what they seek even above face. Fulfilling Daniel 12:4--only through Jesus' real teachers this will occur.
The Pharisees refused to correct errors because face meant more than truth.
The rest seem to think they are immune and bad teachings don't get in--but they err in thinking that--Peter had to correct teachers in congrgations in his letters--Paul had to correct Peter one time. It has been an ongoing theme throughout Gods word--errors get in. they have to be found and corrected.

Do you think this answers the question?

 

[savagewind]

The Pharisees refused to correct errors because face meant more than truth.

Interesting and off topic but you are reading my mind. I was going to say (but it was off topic....but not any more) the members of the governing body can never say they made a mistake about the FDS or about the rider on the white horse BECAUSE their 7 million follwers won't let them.

 

[kjw47]

Thank you for your vote of confidence. Haha

why not prove this scripture is about either of them? It is about neither of them. It is about the ones coming in his name pretending they are for Jesus and Jehovah.

You fail to realize--White stands for righteous--the white horse--the first ride--the war in heaven--the 2nd ride-Har-mageddon. Both riders are one in the same--Michael receiving the crown( kingship) proves Michael is Jesus
Also the 2nd ride--1 thess 4:16--Gods trumpet announces Jesus who comes with the voice of the archangel----his voice

Psalm 45:7--talking about Jesus---oiled more than your partners( angels)
Proverbs 8( wisdom) verse 23--produced me as the beginning of your( Jehovah) ways--also grew especially fond of him( Jesus) --
1Cor 1:30--Jesus became wisdom.

 

[kjw47]

Interesting and off topic but you are reading my mind. I was going to say (but it was off topic....but not any more) the members of the governing body can never say they made a mistake about the FDS or about the rider on the white horse BECAUSE their 7 million follwers won't let them.

They have recently changed the teaching on the FDS--they thought the appointment was in 1919--now they realize its during the trib the appointment occurs.( judging of or separating of the sheep and goats occurs during the trib)The first resurrection has occurred--all 144,000 will sit on thrones as kings and priests alongside of Jesus helping judge and seperate those on earth) They are correct on the white horse. the white horse is righteousness.

 

[savagewind]

You fail to realize--White stands for righteous--the white horse--the first ride--the war in heaven--

I do realize white stands for righteous. See? The horse is white. So the horse is righteous. Did they tell you the horse and the rider are the same?

the 2nd ride-Har-mageddon. Both riders are one in the same--

There is no horse mentioned in conection to Har-mageddon
The receiving of a crown is not proof he is Jesus. What about this? Rev 13:4,12

Also the 2nd ride--1 thess 4:16--Gods trumpet announces Jesus who comes with the voice of the archangel----his voice

Psalm 45:7--talking about Jesus---oiled more than your partners( angels)
Proverbs 8( wisdom) verse 23--produced me as the beginning of your( Jehovah) ways--also grew especially fond of him( Jesus) --
1Cor 1:30--Jesus became wisdom.

Jesus is wisdom? I don't doubt it but it seems to me Wisdom is his mother. He is not his mother.

 

[savagewind]

They have recently changed the teaching on the FDS--they thought the appointment was in 1919--now they realize its during the trib the appointment occurs.( judging of or separating of the sheep and goats occurs during the trib)The first resurrection has occurred--all 144,000 will sit on thrones as kings and priests alongside of Jesus helping judge and seperate those on earth) They are correct on the white horse. the white horse is righteousness.

They are not the horse. Right? Does a horse make it's rider righteous or unrighteous?

Are you sure the faithful and discreet slave is not Jesus with us? "I am the bread from heaven" he says. Bread is for eating. "To give them their food at the proper time". Isn't that Jesus?

 

[savagewind]

You say the rider on a white horse makes the rider righteous. When the ark of Jehovah was with the Philistines did it make them righeous?

 

[kjw47]

You say the rider on a white horse makes the rider righteous. When the ark of Jehovah was with the Philistines did it make them righeous?

no, because Jehovah wasn't with the philistines, He was with the rider of the white horse.( white stands for righteous in rev its mentioned a few times--like white robes, etc.