The Vortex beckons,how many contradictions and errors are in the Qur'an

[Jamal_a_Man]

Even seeing does'nt necessarily mean believing,IMO we are different though in that your thinking is done for you whereas i think for myself

OK you carry on believing that O intelligent one. Your reply is unsatisfactory tho, i am disappointed.

however, hypothetically, if you did see God (which you wont), and you still did not believe (in his existence), then you are surely a fool...

Jamal

 

[Fatihah]

What do you think the text means then by "first", given the context of the story?

Tell us, since you're Muslim (and apprently therefore have better knowledge of this), what was meant by "first" in those texts..... first what?

Response: Refer to post 176 of page 18 of the thread.

 

[Aquitaine]

Response: Refer to post 176 of page 18 of the thread.

Post 176 wasn't satisfactory, it's not answering my question.

Just tell me know, what was meant by "first" given the context. You don't have to right even two sentences, just one word.

"first" what?

 

[Aquitaine]

ill tell you, the "first of their time to believe!"

that is the context.

and even if it was muslim, it makes no difference as it is Allah QUOTING ANOTHER, thus an HISTORICAL ACCOUNT of what that individual said. thus CANNOT be contradictory with respect to ALLAH, or the QURAN. The verse is not talking about who was or was not the first, but how they came to believe and what they said to ALLAH once they Believed.

If that is not clear by now, you must be Very dense...

None of that second part you added made any sense lol. Could you please rephrase it for me?

 

[England my lionheart]

Every one is a muslim from birth. I however, although being brought up in a muslim familly, had to find my religion, i questioned it and i questioned other religions. For me the quran was what Defined me acting like a muslim.

I find this claim to be quite incredible "everyone is a Muslim from birth" i have heard it many times and it makes me laugh to be honest,when i think of Mr and Mrs Ugg who could'nt string a sentence together praying in a cave or the first creature to crawl out of the primordial soup as Muslims,sorry just don't go there.

 

[Jamal_a_Man]

Every one is a muslim from birth. I however, although being brought up in a muslim familly, had to find my religion, i questioned it and i questioned other religions. For me the quran was what Defined me acting like a muslim.

I find this claim to be quite incredible "everyone is a Muslim from birth" i have heard it many times and it makes me laugh to be honest,when i think of Mr and Mrs Ugg who could'nt string a sentence together praying in a cave or the first creature to crawl out of the primordial soup as Muslims,sorry just don't go there.

It is no fault of mine that your mind cannot comprehend what that means.

 

[Aquitaine]

Every one is a muslim from birth. I however, although being brought up in a muslim familly, had to find my religion, i questioned it and i questioned other religions. For me the quran was what Defined me acting like a muslim.

I find this claim to be quite incredible "everyone is a Muslim from birth" i have heard it many times and it makes me laugh to be honest,when i think of Mr and Mrs Ugg who could'nt string a sentence together praying in a cave or the first creature to crawl out of the primordial soup as Muslims,sorry just don't go there.

I know LOL! As if a 1-day year old could "grasp" any concept of religion.

Everyone is born Neutral, secular.

 

[Jamal_a_Man]

I know LOL! As if a 1-day year old could "grasp" any concept of religion.

Everyone is born Neutral, secular.

Theres the Statement. now where's the proof?

 

[England my lionheart]

OK you carry on believing that O intelligent one. Your reply is unsatisfactory tho, i am disappointed.

however, hypothetically, if you did see God (which you wont), and you still did not believe (in his existence), then you are surely a fool...

Jamal

OK i don't engage in childishness but one day when you grow up to be an adult you may be able to reason a little more although i doubt that you will ever reason for yourself.

 

[Fatihah]

Post 176 wasn't satisfactory, it's not answering my question.

Just tell me know, what was meant by "first" given the context. You don't have to right even two sentences, just one word.

"first" what?

Response: My answer is the same.

 

[Aquitaine]

Theres the Statement. now where's the proof?

"proof" of what?

That a 1-day year old cannot grasp the concept of religion, or that we're all born Neutral (i.e have no preference for Religion or any other ideology, be it spiritual or even political etc)?

 

[Aquitaine]

Response: My answer is the same.

Argh forget it. I've had enough debates with you in the past where I ask you merely to write just a sentence explaining your veiws, or answering my question directly, and all you ever do is "refer" me to some irrelevent post you made in the past.

It would save so much time and so amny more posts worth of effort if you just answered the question, straight-up, direct, right now.

What does "first" mean in the contect of those texts, "first" what?

 

[Fatihah]

Argh forget it. I've had enough debates with you in the past where I ask you merely to write just a sentence explaining your veiws, or answering my question directly, and all you ever do is "refer" me to some irrelevent post you made in the past.

It would save so much time and so amny more posts worth of effort if you just answered the question, straight-up, direct, right now.

What does "first" mean in the contect of those texts, "first" what?

Response: This is the Religious education forum, not Burger King. You can't have it your way.

 

[Aquitaine]

Response: This is the Religious education forum, not Burger King. You can't have it your way.

LOL!

Since when did you have a sense of humour?! That was actually pretty funny haha!

But anyways, forget I even bothered to ask then, if you're gonna be like that (again).

 

[Gharib]

Seriously man? Seriously..? Do I even need to respond to a statement as stupid as this?
I mean.. you can argue that homosexuality is a choice (although that's an extremely weak argument), but you can't deny that it existed throughout history. You seriously detract from any argument you could maybe scrape up when you say ignorant stuff like this.

It's times like that that I have to remind myself that I have intelligent muslim friends, and that you don't represent the entire muslim (or religious) population.

look i've never known that homosexuality has existed. i've grown up in my home country mostly therefore i couldn't have know of this due to homosxuality being something no one likes.

but now i know about it, can you lighten up with all the not representing all muslims and stuff. that argumentt is pretty weak and low when non muslims use it. it just shows that you guys genralise about things due to one small error. muslims come from all backgrounds, some of us live in societies that has no time to waste on knowing about gays or lesbians.

 

[England my lionheart]

Argh forget it. I've had enough debates with you in the past where I ask you merely to write just a sentence explaining your veiws, or answering my question directly, and all you ever do is "refer" me to some irrelevent post you made in the past.

It would save so much time and so amny more posts worth of effort if you just answered the question, straight-up, direct, right now.

What does "first" mean in the contect of those texts, "first" what?

Only ex Muslims would own up to contradictions in the Qur'an even though Muslim scholars accept "the apparent contradictions" even though the book is perfect in almost pure Arabic.

 

[Aquitaine]

look i've never known that homosexuality has existed. i've grown up in my home country mostly therefore i couldn't have know of this due to homosxuality being something no one likes.

but now i know about it, can you lighten up with all the not representing all muslims and stuff. that argumentt is pretty weak and low when non muslims use it. it just shows that you guys genralise about things due to one small error. muslims come from all backgrounds, some of us live in societies that has no time to waste on knowing about gays or lesbians.

You didn't know that Homo-sexuality ever existed? It exists even in the Muslim World.

 

[Gharib]

You didn't know that Homo-sexuality ever existed? It exists even in the Muslim World.

yes apparently it does, but those that are homo are not muslims, just incase you didn't know.

 

[Gharib]

I know LOL! As if a 1-day year old could "grasp" any concept of religion.

Everyone is born Neutral, secular.

i think you've missed post 148 on page 15. that answeres this matter. if you really want an answer that is.

 

[Aquitaine]

yes apparently it does, but those that are homo are not muslims, just incase you didn't know.

Wrong. You cannot "measure" of "define" how much of a Muslim a Muslim is. Hell I even saw a TV documentary not too long ago about the troubles Muslim Homo-Sexuals faced. Some where from Africa, others the Middle-East.

They all believed in Allah, all did their prayers and attended Mosques, read Korans etc etc.

You have no right to assess whether or not their faith is "true", you are no mroe or less any "Muslim" than they are.

Just for the record, did you know that Athiests exist too? Oh and so do Agnostics!

Where are you from by the way, Australia?