The Vortex beckons,how many contradictions and errors are in the Qur'an

[.lava]

well? well for water?
you cannot prove your statement, but i can prove my statement, they existed before like they are existing now. (form might have changed)

there was nothing but God. and yes, of course i can't prove. God did not give anyone that kind of permission. each person is free to ask, to believe whatever they want. i wanted to know the truth and this is where i get.

you can prove? OK






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[nameless]

UNiverse existed as always? where in science is this phrase? since the big-bang means big-bang happen, when it was proven by science? give proof with year and scientist name plz

haha now it is you are disbelieving the concept of bigbang,
universe existed since the bigbang, the age of the universe is found to be between 13.5 billion and 14 billion years. And why scientist name is need? are you going to consult him? do you need grandfather name of that scientis too? i just have to give proof regarding the universe.

u mean heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, typical brain functio etc are form of gravitational force and heat chemical reacton? does all chemical reactons result in same? how much acccuracy they hold? and how many humans have same function in percentage wise? does this all goes by chance or by chemical reaction? dnt give statements, provide proof also

you have no knowledge regarding basic science and evolution, it is proved by the science how each living being came to being from simple form to complicated. Study 8 th standard science, and you will know.

when big bang happen, and when humans come to know, again,proof required about when this theory came

It is not my duty to prove bigbang to you, even a silly child knows bigbang is true.

 

[nameless]

there was nothing but God. and yes, of course i can't prove. God did not give anyone that kind of permission. each person is free to ask, to believe whatever they want. i wanted to know the truth and this is where i get.

you can prove? OK

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lol, very funny,

you say there is no proof for god and the same god did not give permission to prove.
If there is no proof for existence of god, then the statement "God did not give anyone that kind of permission" is just invalid.

Yes i can prove, like the universe existing today, it existed yesterday, it existed day before yesterday, last month ................... goes such till the bigbang. Universe formed from bigbang.

 

[.lava]

lol, very funny,

you say there is no proof for god and the same god did not give permission to prove.

nope, that's not what i've said. i am saying i can not prove it to you. that is not to say there is no proof.

If there is no proof for existence of god, then the statement "God did not give anyone that kind of permission" is just invalid.

Yes i can prove, like the universe existing today, it existed yesterday, it existed day before yesterday, last month ................... goes such till the bigbang. Universe formed from bigbang.

yes, i agree universe has existed ever since big bang. the point we disagree is about what caused big bang. how come energy, weight of entire universe fit in one single point anyway? don't you find it amazing? how do you explain big bang?






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[Fatihah]

so we have to produce a new chapter like the chapters in quran to prove quran is wrong? my life purpose is not to prove quran is wrong, no one would have enough patience to do so. Why need to go for this when there is countless number of faults and contradictions in quran?
we were discussing something about the universe and mechanism of rain, and before completing that discussion you came up with a challenge, this is what we call 'doding' coming forward with some challenge which you decides and asking us to disprove that, this is almost like accepting quran false. If quran is true, it is us who is to decide what the challenge is to be and you should prove quran is correct.

It is clear now who is actually 'Dodging', we were discussing something about the universe and mechanism of rain,
now you should prove the qurans explanation of rain is true.

Response: And once again, you have beautifully dodged the challenge. The denial is very evident.

 

[nameless]

Response: And once again, you have beautifully dodged the challenge. The denial is very evident.

lol,

Fatihah, what is the need of considering the next challenge without ending the current challenge? Let us end of current challenge, dont escape faithah, gather energy from quran !!! or you must accept the rain concept in quran is false like eselam did in some other thread.

 

[kai]

Response: But indeed, it has been proven. You see, if there is proof that Allah is the originator of the heavens and the earth and all of the universe and life itself, and also that the qur'an is the true word of Allah, then that alone proves that the rain comes by Allah's will. So the question is "What proof is it that the qur'an is the true word of Allah?" As England suggests, now the vortex beckons.

In the qur'an we read:

In ch: 4:82 of the qur'an we read, "Will they not,then, meditate upon the Qur'an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy". Also in ch.2:23 we read

"And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it,

and call upon your helpers beside Allah, if you are truthful".

Here we have two tests to prove the authenticity and truth of the qur'an. Once applied, you will come to learn that the qur'an is in fact from Allah and has never nor will it ever be corrupted. For if you can prove that it is humanly possible to produce a chapter like the qur'an, then you are correct in saying that there is no proof that the qur'an is from Allah. But if you can not, then the question to ask is "where did the qur'an come from if it's not humanly possible to create a chapter like it?" Then you will come to learn that the originator is none other than Allahu subhanna wa ta ala. You disagree? Then the challenge still stands. Produce a chapter like it.

oh no not again!

 

[Fatihah]

lol,

Fatihah, what is the need of considering the next challenge without ending the current challenge? Let us end of current challenge, dont escape faithah, gather energy from quran !!! or you must accept the rain concept in quran is false like eselam did in some other thread.

Response: There is no next challenge. It's the same challenge. The challenge presented is proof that it does in fact rain according to Allah's will, which is what you said that there is no proof of. The question now is why have you dodged it? Denial is the obvious reason. For if it wasn't, you would have simply produced a chapter like the qur'an. That still has not been the case.

 

[kai]

Response: There is no next challenge. It's the same challenge. The challenge presented is proof that it does in fact rain according to Allah's will, which is what you said that there is no proof of. The question now is why have you dodged it? Denial is the obvious reason. For if it wasn't, you would have simply produced a chapter like the qur'an. That still has not been the case.

For all those interested in the "challenge" its a vortex and a half that can be found here:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/82775-challenge-quran.html

 

[nameless]

Response: There is no next challenge. It's the same challenge. The challenge presented is proof that it does in fact rain according to Allah's will, which is what you said that there is no proof of. The question now is why have you dodged it? Denial is the obvious reason. For if it wasn't, you would have simply produced a chapter like the qur'an. That still has not been the case.

Quran's concept of rain is proved? where?

 

[Fatihah]

Quran's concept of rain is proved? where?

Response: In the challenge explained in post 781 to produce a chapter like the qur'an.

 

[nameless]

Response: In the challenge explained in post 781 to produce a chapter like the qur'an.

how does the narration a chapter like the chapter in quran proves the quran concept of rain is true? i cannot find any relation between them.

to prove quran's concept of rain is true, just prove that with explanations available.

 

[nameless]

nope, that's not what i've said. i am saying i can not prove it to you. that is not to say there is no proof.

if there is proof, surely you can prove, for that reason it is called proof.

yes, i agree universe has existed ever since big bang. the point we disagree is about what caused big bang. how come energy, weight of entire universe fit in one single point anyway? don't you find it amazing? how do you explain big bang?

No one fitted that entire mass and energy to that one point, it was already like that and when the collission happened, as per their properties the universe formed. what to wonder in that?

 

[England my lionheart]

I told u, u wil mistake the hadiths without knowing in depth the meaning, the best way is to make new topic, and invite me, which I told u before as well, as here it will deviate all of us from the basic topic . I will answer all ur concerns there I promise

One last thing on the ahadith,it is not i that mistakes the meaning of the ahadith,it is perpertrators of the crimes of marrying Children,killing people for their concience and for being Human ie Adultery and their failure to realise that these hadiths are not pertinent to the 21st century and contradict the Qur'an.

 

[Fatihah]

how does the narration a chapter like the chapter in quran proves the quran concept of rain is true? i cannot find any relation between them.

Response: Again, the answer is explained in post 781.

 

[syberpriend]

One last thing on the ahadith,it is not i that mistakes the meaning of the ahadith,it is perpertrators of the crimes of marrying Children,killing people for their concience and for being Human ie Adultery and their failure to realise that these hadiths are not pertinent to the 21st century and contradict the Qur'an.

No hadith is contradicting with Quran, and if u feel like, uve to take the verse of Quran more authentic and to be followed rather thn hadith.
If u want to bring this topic here, its upto u, but it would be better a new post, I dont know how to create,otherwise will invite u there.

 

[nameless]

Response: Again, the answer is explained in post 781.

stop acting ignorant fatihah , what is the need for me to prove quran is not the word of allah for proving qurans explanation for rain is incorrect. Just say the reason why, if you have any justification for rain concept of rain just explain that.
you are almost given up and proved quran is incorrect and full of blunder. It is shame escaping from my question in this manner.

 

[syberpriend]

haha now it is you are disbelieving the concept of bigbang,
universe existed since the bigbang, the age of the universe is found to be between 13.5 billion and 14 billion years. And why scientist name is need? are you going to consult him? do you need grandfather name of that scientis too? i just have to give proof regarding the universe.

The concept of bingbang I didnt deny, I ask u when it was proven, which year, by which scientist, I agree there was bigbang, y not provide just these simple 2 things I ask?

you have no knowledge regarding basic science and evolution, it is proved by the science how each living being came to being from simple form to complicated. Study 8 th standard science, and you will know.

U mean living things came by itself? this is what im asking, tell me which 1 came 1st, male or female? dont telll me what to do, U could;nt even give simple answer of what u were asked, dont throw ball here n there

It is not my duty to prove bigbang to you, even a silly child knows bigbang is true.

Ofcourse a child know, but seems u dont knw when it was proven, dats y u r runing away from answers, and doing hanky panky
ok, 1 very easy question for u, when was water cycle and process of rain proved or given bby science? in which year?

 

[syberpriend]

stop acting ignorant fatihah , what is the need for me to disprove quran is not the word of allah for proving qurans explanation for rain is incorrect. Just say the reason why, if you have any justification for rain concept of rain just explain that.
you are almost given up and proved quran is incorrect and full of blunder.

Rather thn loosing ur temper, show us the mistake and contradiction of Quran, so we can analyze dear.

 

[nameless]

Rather thn loosing ur temper, show us the mistake and contradiction of Quran, so we can analyze dear.

quran says, rain is caused by will of allah and its allah's angels pouring water from sky according to allah's wish and we get them as rain, prove it !!! For this your brother fatihah asking me to prove quan is not the word of allah and so only he can accept rain concept in quran is wrong, such a shame approach !!!