Please present where God or Jesus said to celebrate birthdays ?
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The War on Christmas
- Thread starter Arlanbb
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Please present where God or Jesus said to celebrate birthdays ?
McBell
Unbound
I never made any claim, nor did I even hint or imply that birthdays are not to be celebrated.
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
I don't care about Jesus, are what he thought. He also that he was god.
And the where fools for burning there kids for god.
I know of No Scripture where Jesus said he was God, please post for me.
dogsgod
Well-Known Member
The author claims he is the Son of God. Mark 1:1.
Iremainunamous
New Member
okay you see they say you cant say this you cant say that... but in actuality its only to cover themselves in case someone takes offense but it never really happens would you on a jury submit someone to paying a fine or ect for saying merry Christmas? hell no and every one know's that but god some people are just to pc screw them screw them to hell.... there for anyone who say's to do so for your job ignore them see what happens if they attempt to punish you for it well screw them take there buts to court AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS
also note the reason why is because they are afraid of offending people when today its very hard to do so only people who are ilequiped to handle life are offended
also note the reason why is because they are afraid of offending people when today its very hard to do so only people who are ilequiped to handle life are offended
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The thing is, there are no laws that prohibit people from using the term "merry christmas." Individual companies may have such policies, but the government its self does not have any such laws. In the governments eyes, they have to allow all of them, or none of them.
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
I know of none. But then how did his crazy follower come up with that he was god(in a human body but still god)?
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
John 10:31-33 [31] Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, [32] but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" [33] "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
Luke 22:66-70 [66] At daybreak the council of the elders of the people, both the chief priests and teachers of the law, met together, and Jesus was led before them. [67] "If you are the Christ, " they said, "tell us." Jesus answered, "If I tell you, you will not believe me, [68] and if I asked you, you would not answer. [69] But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God." [70] They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?" He replied, "You are right in saying I am."
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
I don't think false Gods are enemies of God any more than I think the false Gods you speak of are false.
In other words, who is lying when they are in the midst of celebrating life?
Luke 22:70 seems clear that when asked if Jesus was the Son of God Jesus replied that they themselves were saying that he was the Son of God.
Matthew 27:43 Jesus said he was the Son of God. See also Matt 16:16.
Why did you stop at John 10:33?_____ First, in verse 33 the same Greek grammar rule applies there as at Acts 28:6; at Acts the letter 'a' is used yet is not used at John 10:33. Please continue at verse 34 were Jesus likens humans to gods such as human judges were (Psalm 82:6). Now please notice John 10:36 why did the Jews say Jesus blasphemed? Doesn't Jesus conclude with because he said that he was the Son of God ?
Continuing to chapter 11 'Martha' believes Jesus is the Son of God at verse 27.
Why did the 'Jews' think Jesus ought to die at John 19:7 B wasn't it because Jesus made himself (not God but) the Son of God?
John himself bare record, or for the record, 'John' states at John 1:34 Jesus is the Son of God.
'Nathaniel' at John 1:49 believes Jesus was the Son of God
'Peter speaking for the twelve' said that 'we twelve' at John 6:69 believe that Jesus is the Son of the living God.
John 8:54 in talking about Jesus Father it says that Jesus Father is God.
At John 20:17 Jesus also believed his Father was his God.
That was still true decades after Jesus was resurrected to heaven because
at Rev 2:18 Jesus still refers to himself as the Son of God, and that his Father was still his God at Rev 3:12, 21.
John 8:58 Before Abraham was Jesus was. Colossians 1:15,16 shows Jesus was firstborn in the heavens before all earthly creation and through Jesus all things came into existence.
Psalms say that God is from everlasting to everlasting. No beginning. God was before the beginning. Yet, Revelation 3:14 B says Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God. Therefore, Jesus was not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
Some of you have expressed an interest in whether or not I am a "pagan", or how I can consider myself one, if I am an atheist. As an atheist, I have been called a pagan (also a heathen) quite often by theists. The word pagan has no clear meaning that I have been able to discover, except to exclude any affiliation with a god or a religion.
That this word has no clear application is supported by a number of reputable sources. Let me quote one which explores this matter in considerable detail:
"Everybody has their favorite definition of the word 'Pagan.' Most people are convinced that their meaning is the correct one. But no consensus exists, even within a single faith tradition or religion as to the 'correct" definition of "Pagan.' The same problem happens with the definition of 'Christianity,' and probably with many other religions." (Meanings of the terms Pagan and Paganism)
Another quote:
"There is no generally accepted, single, current definition for the word 'Pagan' .The word is among the terms that the newsgroup alt.usage.english, calls 'skunk words'.They have varied meanings to different people. The field of religion is rife with such words. consider: Christian, cult, hell, heaven, occult, Paganism, pluralism, salvation, Witch, Witchcraft, Unitarian Universalist, Voodoo, etc. Each has so many meanings that they often cause misunderstandings wherever they are used. Unfortunately, most people do not know this, and naturally assume that the meaning that they have been taught is universally accepted. A reader must often look at the context in which the word is used in order to guess at the intent of the writer."
According to U.S. Newswire:
"The National Clergy Council and Operation Save Our Nation havescheduled for 2000-OCT-28 a 'Jericho March' of 100 religious 'intercessors' around Capitol Hill and the White House. President of the Council, the Rev. Rob Schenck said: 'The concept behind this Jericho March is to 'tear down' the walls of the new 'Washington Paganism' -- the secularization, New Ageism and postmodern amoralism -- epitomized in the Clinton-Gore Administration, in the morally weak leadership in the Congress, and in the liberal members of the Supreme Court."
I hope this answers your question.
That this word has no clear application is supported by a number of reputable sources. Let me quote one which explores this matter in considerable detail:
"Everybody has their favorite definition of the word 'Pagan.' Most people are convinced that their meaning is the correct one. But no consensus exists, even within a single faith tradition or religion as to the 'correct" definition of "Pagan.' The same problem happens with the definition of 'Christianity,' and probably with many other religions." (Meanings of the terms Pagan and Paganism)
Another quote:
"There is no generally accepted, single, current definition for the word 'Pagan' .The word is among the terms that the newsgroup alt.usage.english, calls 'skunk words'.They have varied meanings to different people. The field of religion is rife with such words. consider: Christian, cult, hell, heaven, occult, Paganism, pluralism, salvation, Witch, Witchcraft, Unitarian Universalist, Voodoo, etc. Each has so many meanings that they often cause misunderstandings wherever they are used. Unfortunately, most people do not know this, and naturally assume that the meaning that they have been taught is universally accepted. A reader must often look at the context in which the word is used in order to guess at the intent of the writer."
According to U.S. Newswire:
"The National Clergy Council and Operation Save Our Nation havescheduled for 2000-OCT-28 a 'Jericho March' of 100 religious 'intercessors' around Capitol Hill and the White House. President of the Council, the Rev. Rob Schenck said: 'The concept behind this Jericho March is to 'tear down' the walls of the new 'Washington Paganism' -- the secularization, New Ageism and postmodern amoralism -- epitomized in the Clinton-Gore Administration, in the morally weak leadership in the Congress, and in the liberal members of the Supreme Court."
I hope this answers your question.
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tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
I hope this answers your question.
Not really, since you claimed Christianity had taken "our" ideas, therefor attempting to associate yourself with those "pagans", (clearly not atheists) who worshiped gods and spirits that later became associated with Jesus and early saints.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
So, if he was not God, but a separate entity and the Son of God, is he equal to God?
(We can start another thread if you would like)
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Have a look at the Paganism DIR.
Talk about a last-resort stance.
You can't attack my facts—that your precious Christmas is nothing but a pagan celebration dressed up as a Christian one, stealing its date and its traditions—so you attempt to change the subject and question whether I am speaking as a pagan victim or not.
I humoured this diversion and provided documented information showing that the term "pagan" has no single universal definition (and includes atheism), to which I received replies, (such as one from Tumbleweed41), that indicate either the information was not understood or not read.
In any case, whether I am speaking FOR, or ON BEHALF of pagans who have had their age-old celebration taken over, that fact still remains.
You can't attack my facts—that your precious Christmas is nothing but a pagan celebration dressed up as a Christian one, stealing its date and its traditions—so you attempt to change the subject and question whether I am speaking as a pagan victim or not.
I humoured this diversion and provided documented information showing that the term "pagan" has no single universal definition (and includes atheism), to which I received replies, (such as one from Tumbleweed41), that indicate either the information was not understood or not read.
In any case, whether I am speaking FOR, or ON BEHALF of pagans who have had their age-old celebration taken over, that fact still remains.
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tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Or you could just say, "Oops, did not mean to include myself in with the pagans who originally celebrated in December"
Then you could go on without the distractions:yes:
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
The thing is, speaking as a former pagan who still celebrates her roots, your presumption in speaking for them was unwelcome. Judging by the responses generated, the durrent pagans agree.
Basically, your post came off as a desperate attempt to co-opt their holiday with the goal of playing the victim. ETA: As evidence by your wildly inaccurate ranting about the holiday's secular roots.
Tumbleweed41,
What part of this do you not understand?
"There is no generally accepted, single, current definition for the word 'Pagan' . The word is among the terms that the newsgroup alt.usage.english, calls 'skunk words'. They have varied meanings to different people. The field of religion is rife with such words. Consider: Christian, cult, hell, heaven, occult, Paganism, pluralism, salvation, Witch, Witchcraft, Unitarian Universalist, Voodoo, etc. Each has so many meanings that they often cause misunderstandings wherever they are used. Unfortunately, most people do not know this, and naturally assume that the meaning that they have been taught is universally accepted. A reader must often look at the context in which the word is used in order to guess at the intent of the writer."
Or if that is not sufficient for your preoccupied mind, the President of the The National Clergy Council, the Rev. Rob Schencka uses the term "pagan" exactly as I understand it to mean, namely, "secular" (the state of being separate from religion):
His exact words:
"The concept behind this Jericho March is to 'tear down' the walls of the new 'Washington Paganism' — the secularization, New Ageism and postmodern amoralism — epitomized in the Clinton-Gore Administration, in the morally weak leadership in the Congress, and in the liberal members of the Supreme Court."
Now lick your wounds and try to win this argument by addressing the argument.
What part of this do you not understand?
"There is no generally accepted, single, current definition for the word 'Pagan' . The word is among the terms that the newsgroup alt.usage.english, calls 'skunk words'. They have varied meanings to different people. The field of religion is rife with such words. Consider: Christian, cult, hell, heaven, occult, Paganism, pluralism, salvation, Witch, Witchcraft, Unitarian Universalist, Voodoo, etc. Each has so many meanings that they often cause misunderstandings wherever they are used. Unfortunately, most people do not know this, and naturally assume that the meaning that they have been taught is universally accepted. A reader must often look at the context in which the word is used in order to guess at the intent of the writer."
Or if that is not sufficient for your preoccupied mind, the President of the The National Clergy Council, the Rev. Rob Schencka uses the term "pagan" exactly as I understand it to mean, namely, "secular" (the state of being separate from religion):
His exact words:
"The concept behind this Jericho March is to 'tear down' the walls of the new 'Washington Paganism' — the secularization, New Ageism and postmodern amoralism — epitomized in the Clinton-Gore Administration, in the morally weak leadership in the Congress, and in the liberal members of the Supreme Court."
Now lick your wounds and try to win this argument by addressing the argument.
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Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
So, the ignorance of others excuses your own?