There's more of us that want it than those who don't. We outnumber them by the billions!!
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The Whole human race will one day be One
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There's more of us that want it than those who don't. We outnumber them by the billions!!
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
A tad unrealistic. I certainly don't see any politician's hopping on this band wagon anytime soon.
You're 100% correct. But this is tailor made for a Third World War or nuclear war scenario where to survive we have no other choice but to unite and have full world disarmament so humanity can continue to exist.
It's not something leaders will ever choose out of the goodness of their hearts.
But thanks very much for your comment on it.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
That IS interesting. Did Baha'ullah or the Bab predict a Third World War? If they did I'd love to get a look at their thoughts.
Sure I'll get back to you.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I shiver in anticipation....
Here is one concerning America by the Guardian of the Baha'i Faith. Here he speaks of another 'world conflagration'. This was written after the Second World War. (1954)
Dangers Facing America
“He has been told that some of the friends are disturbed over reports brought back by the pilgrims concerning the dangers facing America in the future whenever another world conflagration breaks out.
“He does not feel that the Bahá’ís should waste time dwelling on the dark side of things. Any intelligent person can understand from the experiences of the last world war, and keeping abreast of what modern science has developed in the way of weapons for any future war, that big cities all over the world are going to be in tremendous danger. This is what the Guardian has said to the pilgrims.
Dangers Facing America
“He has been told that some of the friends are disturbed over reports brought back by the pilgrims concerning the dangers facing America in the future whenever another world conflagration breaks out.
“He does not feel that the Bahá’ís should waste time dwelling on the dark side of things. Any intelligent person can understand from the experiences of the last world war, and keeping abreast of what modern science has developed in the way of weapons for any future war, that big cities all over the world are going to be in tremendous danger. This is what the Guardian has said to the pilgrims.
The signs of the calamity.....
'The violent derangement of the world's equilibrium; the trembling that will seize the limbs of mankind; the radical transformation of human society; the rolling up of the present-day Order; the fundamental changes affecting the structure of government; the weakening of the pillars of religion; the rise of dictatorships; the spread of tyranny; the fall of monarchies; the decline of ecclesiastical institutions; the increase of anarchy and chaos; the extension and consolidation of the Movement of the Left; the fanning into flame of the smouldering fire of racial strife; the development of infernal engines of war; the burning of cities; the contamination of the atmosphere of the earth -- these stand out as the signs and portents that must either herald or accompany the retributive calamity.
(Shoghi Effendi, Messages to the Baha'i World - 1950-1957, p. 103)
'The violent derangement of the world's equilibrium; the trembling that will seize the limbs of mankind; the radical transformation of human society; the rolling up of the present-day Order; the fundamental changes affecting the structure of government; the weakening of the pillars of religion; the rise of dictatorships; the spread of tyranny; the fall of monarchies; the decline of ecclesiastical institutions; the increase of anarchy and chaos; the extension and consolidation of the Movement of the Left; the fanning into flame of the smouldering fire of racial strife; the development of infernal engines of war; the burning of cities; the contamination of the atmosphere of the earth -- these stand out as the signs and portents that must either herald or accompany the retributive calamity.
(Shoghi Effendi, Messages to the Baha'i World - 1950-1957, p. 103)
We have no indication of exactly what nature the apocalyptic upheaval will be; it might be another war …
reference to "premonitory rumblings of a third ordeal threatening to engulf the Eastern and Western Hemispheres", an "apocalyptic upheaval marking the lowest ebb in mankind's fast-declining fortunes".
11/8/48 CF 58-63 Citadel of the Faith of Bahá'u'lláh - reference to "the wings of yet another conflict, destined to contribute a distinct, and perhaps a decisive, share to the birth of the new Order ... darken the international horizon", "Rumblings of catastrophes yet more dreadful", and "a world ... hovering on the brink of a yet more crucial struggle"
reference to "premonitory rumblings of a third ordeal threatening to engulf the Eastern and Western Hemispheres", an "apocalyptic upheaval marking the lowest ebb in mankind's fast-declining fortunes".
11/8/48 CF 58-63 Citadel of the Faith of Bahá'u'lláh - reference to "the wings of yet another conflict, destined to contribute a distinct, and perhaps a decisive, share to the birth of the new Order ... darken the international horizon", "Rumblings of catastrophes yet more dreadful", and "a world ... hovering on the brink of a yet more crucial struggle"
When the Son of Baha'u'llah visited America He warned them that if the racial tension could not be solved then American streets would run with blood and the same time American cities would be attacked from the sky. Here is the offical quote.
“so repeatedly and graphically represented and stressed by 'Abdu'l-Bahá in His arraignment of the basic weaknesses in the social fabric of the nation—of remedying, while there is yet time, through a revolutionary change in the concept and attitude of the average white American toward his Negro fellow citizen, a situation which, if allowed to drift, will, in the words of 'Abdu'l-Bahá, cause the streets of American cities to run with blood, aggravating thereby the havoc which the fearful weapons of destruction, raining from the air, and amassed by a ruthless, a vigilant, a powerful and inveterate enemy, will wreak upon those same cities.” (Citiadel of Faith)
“so repeatedly and graphically represented and stressed by 'Abdu'l-Bahá in His arraignment of the basic weaknesses in the social fabric of the nation—of remedying, while there is yet time, through a revolutionary change in the concept and attitude of the average white American toward his Negro fellow citizen, a situation which, if allowed to drift, will, in the words of 'Abdu'l-Bahá, cause the streets of American cities to run with blood, aggravating thereby the havoc which the fearful weapons of destruction, raining from the air, and amassed by a ruthless, a vigilant, a powerful and inveterate enemy, will wreak upon those same cities.” (Citiadel of Faith)
And from Baha'u'llah directly
O YE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD! Know, verily, that an unforeseen calamity followeth you, and grievous retribution awaiteth you. Think not that which ye have committed hath been effaced in My sight. By My beauty! All your doings hath My pen graven with open characters upon tablets of chrysolite.
O YE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD! Know, verily, that an unforeseen calamity followeth you, and grievous retribution awaiteth you. Think not that which ye have committed hath been effaced in My sight. By My beauty! All your doings hath My pen graven with open characters upon tablets of chrysolite.
These things are always possible of being averted or mitigated. But do we have to go through another war just to come together? We Baha'is day and night are trying to avert these things by encouraging people to see the world as one.
All the signs are not good so we must be giving encouragement to people to turn on the lights of peace in their hearts as the world gets darker and we can do it. Peace will come one way or another.
All the signs are not good so we must be giving encouragement to people to turn on the lights of peace in their hearts as the world gets darker and we can do it. Peace will come one way or another.
Sorry for posting so many but there are quite a few. Thanks for your patience.
I suppose I don't understand (or agree) with the idea of this "final step" at all. I don't see what the problem is with continuing to have diversity and working to primarily cooperate with each other. Let Germany be Germany, let Uganda be Uganda, etc.
Didn't I mention that it's unity in diversity not unity in uniformity?
The only differences which will be gone are those which cause war and conflict not those which add beauty to our world.
Think of the future like a beautiful garden with all its varieties of shapes, colour, fragrance and diversity of flowers.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
After reviewing the quotes, my alarm bells have shut off. I was worried that Baha'ullah was yet another "end of the worlder" like Muhammad's apocalyptic ranting. These quotes are pretty tame, though the one from Baha'ullah is a tiny pit peculiar.
The thing is that the differences that cause wars and conflicts are impossible to eliminate. Diversity itself is one of those causes. That beautiful flower garden? Individuals of different species are absolutely competing against one another for resources and space. Having individuals at all is also one of those causes. Even if your garden is a pure monoculture, individuals of the same species are also competing against one another for resources and space. As others have mentioned, war and conflict is intrinsic to the nature of reality. So too are things like cooperation and mutualism. The moment you have individuals, there is the potential for relationships amongst individuals... and those relationships will always run across the spectrum of cooperation and conflict. So when I hear talk of unity, I hear "I want to destroy reality." Because that's what it would take.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Tablets of chrysolite? Oy vey.
The human race has never been spiritually mature before. The stages of evolution we have gone through have never reached the stage of adulthood. Our warring history has been a stage of our childhood and adolescence and now comes the age of maturity where through education we will turn towards reconciliation and tolerance and things like consultation will replace confrontation.
The age of aggression is ending and the dawn of peace is rising. Many people can see this and many are wanting to leave our violent past behind and move on to a future of peace.
Peculiar in which way?