The Whole human race will one day be One

[sun rise]

That must be me because I'm a champion of diversity and have no interest, whatsoever, in this one world piffle.

From what might be considered a surprising source, the writer of Babylon 5, this is a statement that I believe in. Substitute other words for the alien races - there is no denying diversity in this statement:

The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice.
The language is not Narn or Human or Centauri or Gaim or Minbari.

It speaks in the language of hope. It speaks in the language of trust.
It speaks in the language of strength, and the language of compassion.
It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul.
But always it is the same voice.

It is the voice of our ancestors speaking through us.
And the voice of our inheritors waiting to be born.
It is the small, still voice that says we are One.

No matter the blood, no matter the skin,
No matter the world, no matter the star,
We are One.
No matter the pain, no matter the darkness,
No matter the loss, no matter the fear.
We are One.

Here, gathered together in common cause
We agree to recognize this singular truth and this singular rule:
That we MUST be kind to one another.

Because each voice enriches us and ennobles us,
And each voice lost diminishes us.
We are the voice of the universe, the soul of creation,
The fire that will light the way to a better future.

We are One.

 

[sun rise]

A tad unrealistic. I certainly don't see any politician's hopping on this band wagon anytime soon.

I'm sure politicians as a group will be amongst the last because the basis of their power is to emphasize differences.

 

[YmirGF]

I'm sure politicians as a group will be amongst the last because the basis of their power is to emphasize differences.

I get that much and given the toxic nature of politics in recent years this will not change for a a very long time. One of the biggest problems is that a single world government cannot possibly hope to represent all of the people on Earth. Dealing with the massive bureaucracies on a national level is headache enough, dealing with a global bureaucracies would be a nightmare.

 

[YmirGF]

Peculiar in which way?

And from Baha'u'llah directly


O YE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD! Know, verily, that an unforeseen calamity followeth you, and grievous retribution awaiteth you. Think not that which ye have committed hath been effaced in My sight. By My beauty! All your doings hath My pen graven with open characters upon tablets of chrysolite.

The first line is a bit over the top. It's not like too many folks were or are listening to him. The second line is a tad ominous. Then again, this is supposedly from a messenger of "god". The third line... well... is just plain odd. The fourth line is practically incoherent given that tablets of chrysolite do not exist anywhere in this world. Plus he felt a need to engrave these supposed tablets with our every transgression? Seriously?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The whole human race will be one only when the whole human race faces a common -- and imminent -- threat. And when (if) we survive that threat, we will return to being at each others throats over our various petty differences.

 

[psychoslice]

To the Enlightened one we are already one, to the ignorant one, we are separate. And Oh, I didn't like the song.

 

[sun rise]

I get that much and given the toxic nature of politics in recent years this will not change for a a very long time. One of the biggest problems is that a single world government cannot possibly hope to represent all of the people on Earth. Dealing with the massive bureaucracies on a national level is headache enough, dealing with a global bureaucracies would be a nightmare.

I personally agree with you on this point. The nations of the world can and should cooperate. But as we can see in Europe and with brexit, the differences between them are so large that unity is impossible. And those nations are relatively homogeneous compared with the rest of the world.

 

[YmirGF]

I personally agree with you on this point. The nations of the world can and should cooperate. But as we can see in Europe and with brexit, the differences between them are so large that unity is impossible. And those nations are relatively homogeneous compared with the rest of the world.

Funny, I was going to mention the disaster that is the EU and Brexit.... yep, that's working out well... flat line economies... spiffy...

 

[loverofhumanity]

The first line is a bit over the top. It's not like too many folks were or are listening to him. The second line is a tad ominous. Then again, this is supposedly from a messenger of "god". The third line... well... is just plain odd. The fourth line is practically incoherent given that tablets of chrysolite do not exist anywhere in this world. Plus he felt a need to engrave these supposed tablets with our every transgression? Seriously?

Good to get your views. I think that the thing about all our deeds being recorded clearly is directed more at those who have secretly committed atrocities and think because they have not been found out that they won't receive justice. I'm thinking things like secret atrocities and pedophiles, terrorists, mass graves due to genocide, drug dealers who seem to be above the law etc and many more. To me He's saying they won't get away with their crimes in the end.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Funny, I was going to mention the disaster that is the EU and Brexit.... yep, that's working out well... flat line economies... spiffy...

It's not over yet. It's only a minor setback. Do you remember the American civil war? What was the end result?

In a short letter called 'The Federation of Mankind it is inferred that the American civil war is being played out right now on a world scale and the result will be similar, a Federation of the Nations of the World.

http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/WOB/wob-23.html

This is an except.

"Could anything less than the fire of a civil war with all its violence and vicissitudes—a war that nearly rent the great American Republic—have welded the states, not only into a Union of independent units, but into a Nation, in spite of all the ethnic differences that characterized its component parts? That so fundamental a revolution, involving such far-reaching changes in the structure of society, can be achieved through the ordinary processes of diplomacy and education seems highly improbable."

 

[Windwalker]

The fundamental principle underlying this solemn Pact should be so fixed that if any government later violate any one of its provisions, all the governments on earth should arise to reduce it to utter submission, nay the human race as a whole should resolve, with every power at its disposal, to destroy that government. Should this greatest of all remedies be applied to the sick body of the world, it will assuredly recover from its ills and will remain eternally safe and secure.

Oh, he's talking about a future NATO. That doesn't seem to be fixing everything yet.

But there's a deeper problem here. This is not Unity. This is submission to singular rule. This is a collective dictatorship. It sounds more like a Theocracy. It deals with deviation through crushing it forcefully. This is not Unity. This is not universal Love and Peace. Not at all. It's tyranny.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Oh, he's talking about a future NATO. That doesn't seem to be fixing everything yet.

But there's a deeper problem here. This is not Unity. This is submission to singular rule. This is a collective dictatorship. It sounds more like a Theocracy. It deals with deviation through crushing it forcefully. This is not Unity. This is not universal Love and Peace. Not at all. It's tyranny.

Hi Windwalker. This is speaking about events that are to occur outside the Baha'i Faith in similar vein to the establishment of the United States of America which as you know was formed after a civil war between north and south.

It is not an imposition but will be seen as a solution as was the formation of the United States. It will be a federation of states of the world arrived at voluntarily by the nations of the world like the United States was formed but will have nothing to do with the Baha'i Faith.

We are trying to create the brotherhood of man which is an entirely different thing and based upon love and unity but that will not likely happen until we've had this political peace for centuries. What is spoken of in that passage is only the political unification of the world not the brotherhood of man.

 

[Quintessence]

Okay. You go on and crusade for your unity. I will fight you every step of the way, as will everyone else who isn't a fan of cultural genocide or future borg-dom.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Okay. You go on and crusade for your unity. I will fight you every step of the way, as will everyone else who isn't a fan of cultural genocide or future borg-dom.

The unity Baha'is promote is unity in diversity.

 

[Windwalker]

Hi Windwalker. This is speaking about events that are to occur outside the Baha'i Faith

You'll have to help me see that, as what I was reading was a long string of "shoulds" being applied to the nation doing these things in order to establish the "peace" on earth through the crushing of any resistance to the will of the ruling force. I don't hear it as "outside" the faith. It sounds very much an extension of what it is calling for. I must have counted at least a half dozen or more "shoulds" in that couple paragraphs.

It's not that I don't understand the desire of nations to bond together against aggressors, but there is an innate problem with this. We already are taking what are in fact aggressive stances against other countries justifying ourselves as the "righteous" and they as savage. What if we are the savages, and simply have the greater power and are being handed a bill of goods from the political powers that be through the medium of mass-hypnosis? This very much describes what happens across the board, regardless of which side of the aisle we're shouting our God loves us over you we're on.

Who really is on this side of Truth? I think the problem is far, far deeper and more systemic than simply the imposing of some sort of theocratic rule will solve. If those who claim to be on the side of right are only there because of some economic privilege and are able to hold sway over the masses to see them as justified, what is going on is hardly the sort of awakened consciousness which is the only thing, I repeat the only thing that will allow us to see each other within Truth and compassion.

What I hear is the same sort of thing which is used by whomever to justify their own agendas of power over others. I hear no call to peace through compassion, through sacrifice for one another, to love your neighbor as yourself. What I heard was a "should" to destroy your enemies "utterly". This is the recipe for abuse of power in the name of God.

We are trying to create the brotherhood of man which is an entirely different thing and based upon love and unity but that will not likely happen until we've had this political peace for centuries.

I completely disagree that sort of unity can only happen without political repression. Absolutely not. It has to happen within the heart of individuals, which then creates the politics of love from within to without. It is through the raising of consciousness, through awakening what is within us to see each other as ourselves. As Jesus said well, "Make clean the inside of the cup first, then the outside will be clean".

The world is messy. And the only way to help make good from it, is through love - not repression of others.

What is spoken of in that passage is only the political unification of the world not the brotherhood of man.

What I heard was a type of "final solution" to bring about this "brotherhood of man". Perhaps I read it wrong and those half dozen some "shoulds" were not calls to action.

 

[arthra]

Compared to the condition of the world in the nineteenth century I think were much closer to a united world in this age... Consider the following:

http://www.cfr.org/international-organizations-and-alliances/world-trade-organization-wto/p9386

http://www.iccwbo.org/about-icc/org...vices/icc-international-court-of-arbitration/

http://www.haguejusticeportal.net/index.php?id=305

http://www.un.org/

We also communicate online with an instant means of communication unknown to our fore fathers.
http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/

 

[sun rise]

It's not over yet. It's only a minor setback. Do you remember the American civil war? What was the end result?

In a short letter called 'The Federation of Mankind it is inferred that the American civil war is being played out right now on a world scale and the result will be similar, a Federation of the Nations of the World.

http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/WOB/wob-23.html

This is an except.

"Could anything less than the fire of a civil war with all its violence and vicissitudes—a war that nearly rent the great American Republic—have welded the states, not only into a Union of independent units, but into a Nation, in spite of all the ethnic differences that characterized its component parts? That so fundamental a revolution, involving such far-reaching changes in the structure of society, can be achieved through the ordinary processes of diplomacy and education seems highly improbable."

There has to be a new humanity for what you desire to come about as was foreseen by Sri Aurobindo:

I saw the Omnipotent's flaming pioneers
Over the heavenly verge which turns towards life
Come crowding down the amber stairs of birth;
Forerunners of a divine multitude,
Out of the paths of the morning star they came
Into the little room of mortal life.
I saw them cross the twilight of an age,
The sun-eyed children of a marvellous dawn,
The great creators with wide brows of calm,
The massive barrier-breakers of the world
And wrestlers with destiny in her lists of will,
The labourers in the quarries of the gods,
The messengers of the Incommunicable,
The architects of immortality.
Into the fallen human sphere they came,
Faces that wore the Immortal's glory still,
Voices that communed still with the thoughts of God,
Bodies made beautiful by the spirit's light,
Carrying the magic word, the mystic fire,
Carrying the Dionysian cup of joy,
Approaching eyes of a diviner man,
...

 

[Windwalker]

There has to be a new humanity for what you desire to come about as was foreseen by Sri Aurobindo:

I saw the Omnipotent's flaming pioneers
Over the heavenly verge which turns towards life
Come crowding down the amber stairs of birth;
Forerunners of a divine multitude,
Out of the paths of the morning star they came
Into the little room of mortal life.
I saw them cross the twilight of an age,
The sun-eyed children of a marvellous dawn,
The great creators with wide brows of calm,
The massive barrier-breakers of the world
And wrestlers with destiny in her lists of will,
The labourers in the quarries of the gods,
The messengers of the Incommunicable,
The architects of immortality.
Into the fallen human sphere they came,
Faces that wore the Immortal's glory still,
Voices that communed still with the thoughts of God,
Bodies made beautiful by the spirit's light,
Carrying the magic word, the mystic fire,
Carrying the Dionysian cup of joy,
Approaching eyes of a diviner man,
...

Yes. And this is my point. Unless those who are the appointed leaders are flying at such an altitude, it is lower ego-levels in charge of great power imposing their vision of the world upon others. If you have someone flying at the level of mythic-literal truth, then you will have a world in that image which is not yet able to see beyond itself yet to a truly Unified reality which allows for all diversity to exist, even the tribal warriors. You have to make clean the inside of the cup first, as Jesus says, then the outside will follow.

The first commandment is to love. Then the rest flows out from there in creative and compassionate ways towards finding working solutions and dynamic systems of governance. Not the rule of law imposed on others with a iron rod. You cannot impose growth upon others through annihilating opposition. You cannot control people into knowing love. Love does not impose itself. It calls.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Yes. And this is my point. Unless those who are the appointed leaders are flying at such an altitude, it is lower ego-levels in charge of great power imposing their vision of the world upon others. If you have someone flying at the level of mythic-literal truth, then you will have a world in that image which is not yet able to see beyond itself yet to a truly Unified reality which allows for all diversity to exist, even the tribal warriors. You have to make clean the inside of the cup first, as Jesus says, then the outside will follow.

The first commandment is to love. Then the rest flows out from there in creative and compassionate ways towards finding working solutions and dynamic systems of governance. Not the rule of law imposed on others with a iron rod. You cannot impose growth upon others through annihilating opposition. You cannot control people into knowing love. Love does not impose itself. It calls.

I know what you mean. The statement was just saying what would happen but it has nothing to do with the Baha'is. We aren't involved in the political unification of the world known as the Lesser Peace because it is not spiritual brotherhood but just like an EEU except on a world scale.

"As to the Lesser Peace, Shoghi Effendi has explained that this will initially be a political unity arrived at by decision of the governments of various nations; it will not be established by direct action of the Bahá’í community.…

(Universal House of Justice April 2001)

It could come about through another world war or a nuclear attack but it has nothing to do with us. The strong measures taken will be as a result of something possibly catastrophic having happened and the world will no longer be able to tolerate nukes being developed so if for example a country starts to develop nukes again say after a world war where nukes were used all the governments on earth would have to stop it for their own survival. Let's say a nuclear attack caused a massive world earthquake destroying city after city. Do you not think that the world won't devise a tough treaty and demand world disarmament?

Right now it looks and seems tough but you throw in a nuke attack and this toughness becomes a panacea.

Shoghi Effendi is just giving us a glimpse of what he believes will happen. And it will happen in stages.

Just like the United States was formed out of a civil war so the current world situation could be seen as a world civil war which might bring about the Federated Nations of the World but world brotherhood won't be the initial reason for political unity but our need for survival.

True peace which comes from the heart through love is being promoted by Baha'is and others but this will take a lot longer than just a political unity forced upon the world through necessity just like the League of Nations and the United Nations were the results of two major world wars. So what's next is probably something catastrophic enough to force the governments to unite politically and this is out of our hands.

These things need to be read in context of a calamity or third war. And the Baha'is are not involved in establishing any political federation or treaties.

The spiritual rejuvenation of the world is what we are promoting.

 

[sun rise]

We appear to be in what I like to call "violent agreement" where the apparent differences turned out to be merely words not the essence.