The Whole human race will one day be One

[Lighthouse]

Compared to the condition of the world in the nineteenth century I think were much closer to a united world in this age... Consider the following:

http://www.cfr.org/international-organizations-and-alliances/world-trade-organization-wto/p9386

http://www.iccwbo.org/about-icc/org...vices/icc-international-court-of-arbitration/

http://www.haguejusticeportal.net/index.php?id=305

http://www.un.org/

We also communicate online with an instant means of communication unknown to our fore fathers.
http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/

I think that is starting to fade. Countries are beginning to divide and become even more problematic for one another. Diplomacy is starting to fade.

 

[Lighthouse]

Yes. And this is my point. Unless those who are the appointed leaders are flying at such an altitude, it is lower ego-levels in charge of great power imposing their vision of the world upon others. If you have someone flying at the level of mythic-literal truth, then you will have a world in that image which is not yet able to see beyond itself yet to a truly Unified reality which allows for all diversity to exist, even the tribal warriors. You have to make clean the inside of the cup first, as Jesus says, then the outside will follow.

The first commandment is to love. Then the rest flows out from there in creative and compassionate ways towards finding working solutions and dynamic systems of governance. Not the rule of law imposed on others with a iron rod. You cannot impose growth upon others through annihilating opposition. You cannot control people into knowing love. Love does not impose itself. It calls.

Couldn't agree more.

This kind of Godly(unconditional) love would have no need of laws or control or anyone in charge.

 

[Lighthouse]

There will always be war. There will always be suffering. Get used to it.


The huge roadblock in the way is that for this to work everyone, or the vast majority, would have to be on the same page. Getting human animals to agree on something like this simply will never happen.

This is the animal kingdom of suffering. Agreed, in this world on Earth such is not plausible.

 

[Lighthouse]

I believe peace will come one way or another. We may have no choice as it may mean our very survival one day.

Some are not concerned with physical survival in the animal kingdom.

 

[Lighthouse]

The whole human race will be one only when the whole human race faces a common -- and imminent -- threat. And when (if) we survive that threat, we will return to being at each others throats over our various petty differences.

Temporary peace in the animal kingdom.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Temporary peace in the animal kingdom.

Not necessarily. It may be far worse than the two world wars put together.

 

[Lighthouse]

Not necessarily. It may be far worse than the two world wars put together.

I was referring in general to how peace has always been temporary in the animal kingdom, but there never has been peace as a whole.

I'm not concerned. I am prepared and know that I will physically die. I do agree that it is likely immanent and inevitable, that it will happen and be much worse than the first two combined. The common immanent threat to mankind's survival is mankind. I do not wish to physically survive here, other than sewing things that do not perish.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I was referring in general to how peace has always been temporary in the animal kingdom, but there never has been peace as a whole.

I'm not concerned. I am prepared and know that I will physically die. I do agree that it is likely immanent and inevitable, that it will happen and be much worse than the first two combined. The common immanent threat to mankind's survival is mankind. I do not wish to physically survive here, other than sewing things that do not perish.

I am hopeful we can still establish peace at the conference table. Maybe we have learned from the last two wars and can establish peace without another one. It's something worth promoting and I have faith in the goodness of humanity.

 

[Lighthouse]

I am hopeful we can still establish peace at the conference table. Maybe we have learned from the last two wars and can establish peace without another one. It's something worth promoting and I have faith in the goodness of humanity.

I hope for that too, but am aware also.
I have zero faith in the good of animals. Animals mistake good for bad and bad for good and struggle to discern their left hand from their right hand. What is perceived as good to animal mankind usually is not.

 

[arthra]

I think that is starting to fade. Countries are beginning to divide and become even more problematic for one another. Diplomacy is starting to fade.

Thanks for your post "Lighthouse"... You know I don't necessarily disagree with your comment but what I see is that over an extended period of years the agencies I've cited will still function and in the long run will prevail. Yes there can be set backs and political variations and that's to be expected.. but consider the long range perspective and I think you'll agree that the world perspective will in the long run prevail over petty nationalistic eddies.

- Art

 

[Lighthouse]

Thank you as well for the dialogue, my friend.
Do you consider world peace for humanity needing a court system, judgements, or overseers?
I believe we see eye to eye on agencies such as unconditional love, equality, peace prevailing. Agencies such as a government, a court system we may disagree. But that if fine, my brother. Neither of us know the future.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

And from Baha'u'llah directly


O YE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD! Know, verily, that an unforeseen calamity followeth you, and grievous retribution awaiteth you. Think not that which ye have committed hath been effaced in My sight. By My beauty! All your doings hath My pen graven with open characters upon tablets of chrysolite.

disgusting

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

The human race has never been spiritually mature before. The stages of evolution we have gone through have never reached the stage of adulthood. Our warring history has been a stage of our childhood and adolescence and now comes the age of maturity where through education we will turn towards reconciliation and tolerance and things like consultation will replace confrontation.

The age of aggression is ending and the dawn of peace is rising. Many people can see this and many are wanting to leave our violent past behind and move on to a future of peace.

evolution was a farce to call you animals and make you act like one

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Thank you as well for the dialogue, my friend.
Do you consider world peace for humanity needing a court system, judgements, or overseers?
I believe we see eye to eye on agencies such as unconditional love, equality, peace prevailing. Agencies such as a government, a court system we may disagree. But that if fine, my brother. Neither of us know the future.

nope

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Didn't I mention that it's unity in diversity not unity in uniformity?
The only differences which will be gone are those which cause war and conflict not those which add beauty to our world.

Think of the future like a beautiful garden with all its varieties of shapes, colour, fragrance and diversity of flowers.

somebody kick over the rainbow pyramid.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

The thing is that the differences that cause wars and conflicts are impossible to eliminate. Diversity itself is one of those causes. That beautiful flower garden? Individuals of different species are absolutely competing against one another for resources and space. Having individuals at all is also one of those causes. Even if your garden is a pure monoculture, individuals of the same species are also competing against one another for resources and space. As others have mentioned, war and conflict is intrinsic to the nature of reality. So too are things like cooperation and mutualism. The moment you have individuals, there is the potential for relationships amongst individuals... and those relationships will always run across the spectrum of cooperation and conflict. So when I hear talk of unity, I hear "I want to destroy reality." Because that's what it would take.

When I was a child someone brought me to see its a small world in a little boat. It was freaky, dolls and stuff. I didn't know what to think only that it is a big world and they gather people into small boxes to play rainbow games. Once again it is a big world. And that's the case we don't need small spaces and we can live in peace. The experiment makes me vomit the rainbow.

 

[Father Heathen]

I'm all for trying to stop violence and suffering, but mawkish songs that try too hard to be the next "Imagine" aren't my cup of tea. Humanity can grow in wisdom and maturity, but we're never going to all melt together into one big puddle of love.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

You guys talk about evolution... you haven't learned anything... Yeah so let the IMF take everything and gather send and immigration you'll be unfree apart of it ... Let china and other places keep their jobs in large over populated cities and you cant touch the land outside, enjoy shacks.
They taught that that the world is small (lie) and only moved people based on imperialism. Some we able to flee. I get it we are human and everyone matters. What you don't get is little rainbow brainwash games.

 

[Father Heathen]

You guys talk about evolution... you haven't learned anything... Yeah so let the IMF take everything and gather send and immigration you'll be unfree apart of it ... Let china and other places keep their jobs in large over populated cities and you cant touch the land outside, enjoy shacks.
They taught that that the world is small (lie) and only moved people based on imperialism. Some we able to flee. I get it we are human and everyone matters. What you don't get is little rainbow brainwash games.

What a strange, incoherent non sequitur.

 

[Father Heathen]

evolution was a farce to call you animals and make you act like one