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The witchhunt continues...

wellwisher

Well-Known Member

How do we as a nation rein in the bumbling bumpkin brigade?
They are just taking this from the Liberal playbook, since you guys used this tactic, first. If you recall, man made global warming, used to attack any scientist who was not with the program until they either got fired or caved so a faux consensus could form, that always over reestimate; manipulate with fear.

Rush Limbaugh used to be the victim of this business attack because he was so effective. The Left would pressure people who advertised on his program to kill his business. But he was always able to bounce back. The Left started this tactic, but the Right is taking it to a new level.

The decline of the West, began when Liberals from the 1960's came up with the notion that the nuclear family was nothing but a social construct, meaning nothing, including the nuclear family was natural, but all forms of human connection were subjective and subject to will and choice. This open the door to alternate lifestyles. Everything was already tried by the 1970's.

Fast forward to today, now obvious social constructs, such as gender bending ,which needs so many artificial additives is called natural, and not a social construct, even if it also uses propaganda and brain washing on school children. You cannot have it both ways. The tide is finally turning.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
They are just taking this from the Liberal playbook, since you guys used this tactic, first. If you recall, man made global warming, used to attack any scientist who was not with the program until they either got fired or caved so a faux consensus could form, that always over reestimate; manipulate with fear.

Rush Limbaugh used to be the victim of this business attack because he was so effective. The Left would pressure people who advertised on his program to kill his business. But he was always able to bounce back. The Left started this tactic, but the Right is taking it to a new level.

The decline of the West, began when Liberals from the 1960's came up with the notion that the nuclear family was nothing but a social construct, meaning nothing, including the nuclear family was natural, but all forms of human connection were subjective and subject to will and choice. This open the door to alternate lifestyles. Everything was already tried by the 1970's.

Fast forward to today, now obvious social constructs, such as gender bending ,which needs so many artificial additives is called natural, and not a social construct, even if it also uses propaganda and brain washing on school children. You cannot have it both ways. The tide is finally turning.

"YOU started this by having standards and ethics! That completely justifies these people trying to turn the world to ****! If you act with purpose, then this makes it okay for ridiculous, angry people to act with purpose for their aims!

"Don't bother to think about whether their aims are ethical; you made them ethical by trying to pursue ethical goals!"

FFS.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Dylan is an actual transgender woman the way tofurkey is actual turkey. He makes a mockery of it all, transwomen and women alike.

Who gets to define an "actual transgender woman," though? There are many cisgendered men and women who exaggerate gendered stereotypes too. There are salient examples of this both in the media (e.g., movies that cater to and depict notions of perceived hyper-masculinity) and among the "manosphere," an online subculture that includes some bloggers and YouTubers who explicitly promote misogyny and stereotypical gendered behavior. Does this disqualify them from being "actual cisgender men"?

I think there are a lot of ways to discuss concerns with certain aspects of the content someone produces without entirely dismissing their gender identity on such highly subjective grounds. The latter seems to me a rabbit hole that can lead to (and has often led to) invalidation of specific groups based on inconsistent and highly variable standards.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member

How do we as a nation rein in the bumbling bumpkin brigade?

I wouldn't classify the boycotting groups as "bumbling bumpkins" (for multiple reasons that I can go into if you're interested), but in general, I suspect that these boycotts may become less frequent as the current generation becomes the majority. Most younger voters lean liberal, and a lot of the votes that highly conservative politicians (e.g., DeSantis and Trump) get are from middle-aged people and Boomers.

How long this gradual change may take is a different story. I think it could take anywhere from a decade to three, although I could be wrong because this is just a very basic estimate.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Disparaging the rural lower classes attacks an entire class of people, including many neutrals and fence-sitters who might be driven into the arms of the right wing. Why give them more allies and make them stronger?

This reminds me of a topic I have thought about for a long time in relation to my country. I don't think @Father Heathen is classist, so my thoughts in this post are meant generally and are not about his posts.

Some commonly used disparaging terms in my country translate into "peasant," "farmer," "servant," "garbage man," "beggar," and "homeless person"/"street dweller." The more I have thought about these terms and their derogatory usage, the more it has crystallized to me that even the relatively (based on the standards of their country) liberal middle class sometimes falls for classist, markedly discriminatory tropes.

These insults are not primarily political in nature, nor do their prevalent definitions bespeak disapproval of specific political attitudes and beliefs. They're inherently socioeconomic: when a term like "trailer trash" or "peasant" is used disparagingly in a political context, it amounts to a weaponization of someone's socioeconomic class, which often includes an array of systemic disadvantages, and dismissal or minimization of the person's input on that basis.

I can think of few attitudes that are more illiberal than this, yet some well-off liberals have no qualms engaging in this form of socially acceptable classism and discrimination. From the vantage point of enjoying better living conditions, they look down on poor people who disagree with them instead of acknowledging the systemic and material conditions that have caused someone to be "trailer trash" or an "uneducated peasant"—which in many cases simply means that the person has either had no money or no access to education for any number of reasons.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
So Kellogg should value the douchebags?



Promotions with celebrities is a pretty common way for brands to advertise.
Sure. They need to cater to its demographic. It's not an activist organization. It's a business.

I still remember Bruce Jenner on a box of Wheaties back in the day. It's demographic being sports fans.

Whatever makes the money.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
This reminds me of a topic I have thought about for a long time in relation to my country. I don't think @Father Heathen is classist, so my thoughts in this post are meant generally and are not about his posts.

Some commonly used disparaging terms in my country translate into "peasant," "farmer," "servant," "garbage man," "beggar," and "homeless person"/"street dweller." The more I have thought about these terms and their derogatory usage, the more it has crystallized to me that even the relatively (based on the standards of their country) liberal middle class sometimes falls for classist, markedly discriminatory tropes.

These insults are not primarily political in nature, nor do their prevalent definitions bespeak disapproval of specific political attitudes and beliefs. They're inherently socioeconomic: when a term like "trailer trash" or "peasant" is used disparagingly in a political context, it amounts to a weaponization of someone's socioeconomic class, which often includes an array of systemic disadvantages, and dismissal or minimization of the person's input on that basis.

I can think of few attitudes that are more illiberal than this, yet some well-off liberals have no qualms engaging in this form of socially acceptable classism and discrimination. From the vantage point of enjoying better living conditions, they look down on poor people who disagree with them instead of acknowledging the systemic and material conditions that have caused someone to be "trailer trash" or an "uneducated peasant"—which in many cases simply means that the person has either had no money or no access to education for any number of reasons.

The lower classes generally tend to feel put upon already, and they're often in insecure positions and sometimes might feel threatened. It's not necessarily political, and in fact, many in the lower classes tend to be apolitical and often apathetic. However, if someone comes along and convinces them that liberals from back east hate them and have nothing but disdain for them (using their classist rhetoric as an example), then they can be duped into supporting right-wing causes. What they see are wealthy people from the coasts who hold middle America (aka "flyover country") in contempt, simply for who they are and where they come from. It feeds into the general narrative that "liberals hate America." And one can find numerous examples in social media, popular culture, and elsewhere.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Sure. They need to cater to its demographic. It's not an activist organization. It's a business.

Businesses are still made up of people who need to look themselves in the mirror like the rest of us.

That being said, I'm certain that Kellogg ran the numbers and decided that this would end up with a net increase in sales.

BTW: exactly how many customers do you think they'd lose here? Don't you think that anyone clutching their pearls at the sight of Tony the Tiger with a trans woman would have already left in 2021 over Kellogg's pride campaign then?

I still remember Bruce Jenner on a box of Wheaties back in the day. It's demographic being sports fans.

Whatever makes the money.

Wheaties is made by General Mills - different company, different brand.

Frosted Flakes are marketed to kids. On the whole, it isn't kids who have an issue with LGBTQ people.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
However, if someone comes along and convinces them that liberals from back east hate
They already widely feel that way over the cultural differences. Such as, a MidWest yokel is likely to think me a WestCoast egghead. I think they're weird for being so damn cheap, they think I'm vain for spending extra.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Sure. They need to cater to its demographic. It's not an activist organization. It's a business.

I still remember Bruce Jenner on a box of Wheaties back in the day. It's demographic being sports fans.

Whatever makes the money.
What if the demographic is "people who would like to see more promotion of marginalised groups"?
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Liberals always complain about other groups marginalizing them, but the reality is the systemic discrimination, that gets carved into US law, always comes from the Left. The system racism of the past came from the Democrat South, using legal means within US government to legally allow segregation. The systemic quota system, now in affect, also used legal pressure to discriminate against white, straight, males.

The Conservatives do not operate that way. It is more connected to non legally binding peer pressure, due to free market competition; play to win, but do not cheat. A white male who becomes valedictorian is due to merit and competition, but not due to a legal quota. Which is worse, legally binding discrimination under the guise of shallow equity, or non binding peer pressure and competition like in sports?

The transgender movement in schools used the power of the Government; public schools and tax payer funded education, to discriminate against normal children, in favor of a Lefty fad; Fascism. The Left projects it own underhanded methods; dual justice system, to hid under it own smoke screen. Now the Right has learned to beat them at their own game. Trump is victimized by the Swamp and called the predator. Trump and Biden both have classified information, but only Trump is wrong. This is Lefty in a nutshell. Their worse is ignores, and the less is amplified as worse.

What would happen if the Right decided to use plays out of the Lefty playbook and dissociate itself into dozens of fringe groups, each expecting special legal considerations and reparations; tax payer ripoff. The Catholics and Protestants used to be against each other, so we want Catholic pride month and also Protestant pride month. Religion is protected by the, Constitution, but Lefty law discriminates. Their pain and suffering needs to be compensated.

We also want anyone legally discriminated by the quota system, based on ignoring merit, to be paid reparations. Unlike slavery these victims are still alive, and only direct victims can collect reparation to make this honorable, and not an ambiguous Lefty scam.

We also want National natural male month and National natural female month so we can share their stories; nationally, which date back to the start of civilization. We can have flags made that will be displayed in public places. We also want national military forces month, with a week of celebration for each branch of the military.

You can see the political problems this Lefty tactic of dividing needs, being used by the Right. could cause the Left. One will get to see the bright side and not just the propaganda. We can also go real fringe Right, with groups that represent less than 1% of the population and force schools to place them first in line. Instead of pronouns we can force feed adjectives and adverbs to celebrate their successes; magnificent and sublime, etc. If you say anything negative, you will be called a hater. Sound familiar?

The Right is less about dependency, but more about rugged self reliance which should be celebrated and taught, since this is better than staying a spoiled child with constant temper tantrums.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Liberals always complain about other groups marginalizing them, but the reality is the systemic discrimination, that gets carved into US law, always comes from the Left. The system racism of the past came from the Democrat South, using legal means within US government to legally allow segregation.

Those Liberal Southern Democrats, always advocating for small government and state's rights...

The systemic quota system, now in affect, also used legal pressure to discriminate against white, straight, males.

Poor straight, white males! Never get any breaks!

The Conservatives do not operate that way. It is more connected to non legally binding peer pressure, due to free market competition; play to win, but do not cheat. A white male who becomes valedictorian is due to merit and competition, but not due to a legal quota.

It's a good thing people don't cheat or stack odds in their own favor! I'm always amazed how white males always seem to have so much power in society when they have been traditionally and historically maligned and unequally treated.

The transgender movement in schools used the power of the Government; public schools and tax payer funded education, to discriminate against normal children, in favor of a Lefty fad; Fascism.

"Normal children"? How are "normal children" being discriminated against?

The Left projects it own underhanded methods; dual justice system, to hid under it own smoke screen. Now the Right has learned to beat them at their own game. Trump is victimized by the Swamp and called the predator. Trump and Biden both have classified information, but only Trump is wrong. This is Lefty in a nutshell. Their worse is ignores, and the less is amplified as worse.

The "dual justice system" has been very kind to Trump as compared to someone who doesn't have money or resources and wasn't a President.

Had Biden not returned the docs when asked and stalled and discussed these docs with people he'd likely be getting the same treatment.


The Catholics and Protestants used to be against each other, so we want Catholic pride month and also Protestant pride month.

Ever been in America From Thanksgiving until mid-January?

We also want anyone legally discriminated by the quota system, based on ignoring merit, to be paid reparations. Unlike slavery these victims are still alive, and only direct victims can collect reparation to make this honorable, and not an ambiguous Lefty scam.

The modern state of race relations in America is a direct result of slavery.

We also want National natural male month and National natural female month so we can share their stories; nationally, which date back to the start of civilization.

Male and female gender differences are built into our culture. They are daily celebrated through our culture that has a male/female dichotomy as a default. ("Normal children," right?)

We can have flags made that will be displayed in public places. We also want national military forces month, with a week of celebration for each branch of the military.


Did you celebrate?

You can see the political problems this Lefty tactic of dividing needs, being used by the Right. could cause the Left. One will get to see the bright side and not just the propaganda. We can also go real fringe Right, with groups that represent less than 1% of the population and force schools to place them first in line. Instead of pronouns we can force feed adjectives and adverbs to celebrate their successes; magnificent and sublime, etc. If you say anything negative, you will be called a hater. Sound familiar?

Huh?

The Right is less about dependency, but more about rugged self reliance which should be celebrated and taught, since this is better than staying a spoiled child with constant temper tantrums.

Like getting all whiney about a single beer promotion and breaking out the automatic weapons, eh? Or being all in a tizzy over books and banning them cause they make you personally uncomfortable?
 
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