Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Well, it's actually a nothingness or lack of something like belief in any deity. It's not boring but it should be simple to comprehend.
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Theists, please tell me why you believe murder is wrong.
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I’m sorry, but I can tell that you don’t understand my reasoning, because my views are in no way shape or form equivalent to or synonymous with Catholicism!!
Like you, I believe the dead are dead. They not only don’t exist in any other realm (as in Heaven or hell).…they don’t exist at all! Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalm 146:3,4
Completely different from Catholic (or most other groups’) teachings.
But there are forces actively trying, in any way possible, to keep people from learning the truth about the dead. That’s why such beliefs about the dead living in another realm are so ubiquitous…also, this faulty belief is one of the easiest to perpetuate, because it’s what people want to believe about their dead loved ones anyway.
But your belief in “no God” is fine with these unseen forces. That’s why none of these entities have bothered impostering your daughter to you; they’re content with your stance of atheism. If they did pretend to be your daughter, it might move you to search for & find Jehovah the Creator, and that’s the last thing these invisible entities want!
They’ve twisted & corrupted many teachings in the Bible!
One example: When you read the Bible, you can’t help but see the many times it mentions future blessings for people to live here on the Earth… but what is most every Bible-believer taught? They believe “I’m going to Heaven.” So much for the ‘meek inheriting the earth’, as Jesus stated at Matthew 5:5.
Can you grasp the extent of the deception going on? - Revelation 12:9… he’s “misleading the entire inhabited earth “!
You can’t ignore (or at least you shouldn’t) the fact that there are many on RF, rational posters here, who claim they frequently interact with unseen entities (now, I’m not talking about those on medication)…what’s your opinion?
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dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
And yet, "atheists" ( not apatheists ) love to argue with us. I wonder what they would do with out us? Probably set up an altar and start a religion. Take it on the road and start preaching it.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
No. Nothing outside of that.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
What's interesting or exciting about it? Nothingness, a void, null, a cow that eats and is never satisfied always wasting away?
It's beyond simple. But if you are saying it's not boring, I sure would like to know what you see in it?
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
What if someone comes asking for help, and to help them you perform a ritual. Would you explain to them everything you were going to do to them, with them, all the risks, and eveything that you yourself intend to gain from the experience?
Do you know all the risks of the rituals in your religion? Again, I'm asking about **informed** consent.
We have a local atheist group that kinda did that. They didn't build an altar, but they started proposing that they make invocations at City Counsel meetings. Our city accepted this without issue... until the cameras all showed up, and they realized it was a big publicity stunt. Other cities in the area just opted to stop doing prayers/invocations at all rather than host these people. I had a few personal run ins with them; not good. They do actively work to proselytize.And yet, "atheists" ( not apatheists ) love to argue with us. I wonder what they would do with out us? Probably set up an altar and start a religion. Take it on the road and start preaching it.
However, in my time on RF, I've rubbed elbows with much nicer atheists, and realized I just happened to run across a group of turds locally, and they're not a representative of all(or the majority of) atheists. Should I stumble across someone who reminds me of the members of that group, I generally just don't converse with them. Those types don't seem to want to converse, but rather relieve frustration at some wound their area's dominant religion has inflicted upon them. I feel like I'm wasting my time when I engage in those circumstances.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Absolutely. I practice responsible ritualism. I am aware of the risks of consorting with the demonic devine. I would let this other person know as well.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Please forgive me? I missed this.
Everything with a form can be corrupted. Only the completely formless and absolutely infinite is incorruptable.
Nope. After reading your post, this is exactly the perspective I expected.
I've made it clear time and again, I'm not an atheist. I don't need to find Jehovah. We are one and the same.
Future blessing assume time exists. Are you sure it does?
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
I bow to your wisdom and hopefully I can grow up to be like you someday. Sincerely.
Oh c'mon now, I'm sure you can do better than this.
What is it that makes a killing unjustified? Why is any killing unjustified? What is the moral basis for that determination?
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Is that the proper way to pronounce your name? Jeh-Hoh-Vah?
I don't know if I've grown up or just out...
I suppose that is way all us atheists come here, for the excitement offered by religious folks.
Are you sure?
In any case, it's nice seeing someone else address the paradox. I don't usually see others notice it. Thank you. You've clearly put a lot of thought into this. That means you'll have good insight to guide your path, wherever it might lead you.
To grasp this we have to shift a bit outside of the typical deontological approach to ethics that seems very common in contemporary Western culture. That's not something everyone is comfortable with or able to do even as a thought experiment. Plus there are strong cultural taboos at work here, a desire to see oneself as the hero of one's own story, and yada yada yada.
As someone who has done some of those thought experiments, it... hmm. It serves as a reminder that ethical maxims are self-imposed limits on human behavior. They are not "real" so to speak - a human still has the capacity and ability to do the thing their ethics claim they shouldn't do. Which means those self-imposed limits can be ignored at any time, for any reason. Hence we have murder and any number of other things that disregard the self-imposed limits we call "ethics" and "morals."
The only way we really control human behavior is to render the human incapable of the behavior. Which, unsurprisingly, is one of the justifications for harming others, human or otherwise. Humans do not trust each other to maintain their self-imposed limits like ethics and morals. Nor should they when there are abundant examples of humans ignoring their self-imposed limits in favor of their actual limits.
I'm not a fan of Satanism, but when they observe humans are the most vicious of all animals, they're not wrong.
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No. It's pronounced Sah-licks-incend-iyum. Thanks for asking.
VoidCat
Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
I've been wondering this forever and haven't asked for some reason
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
So you don't know how to pronunce יהוה? That's odd, being one and the same and all. Literally. I would expect to finally get this answered for everyone.
@Hockeycowboy , FYI, No worries, Cousin.
I apologize, I thought I’d read in another thread where you said you were. I must have misunderstood. Sorry.
Yep. I’m getting older everyday. Along with more aches and pains.