There are no errors in the Qur'an

[Baroodi]

From all above posts I can clearly see that people are either prejaudicing Islam or wrongly understands it's message. Garry Miller studied Quran expecting to find flaws in it and he ended up as Muslim' he studied it in depth and details and he was guided to the clear truth. The scientific facts presented by Quran are unrefutable dear Shad. For example Quran talks about the development of the embryo in the womb before modern science and before any book and we all know what happen to Dr Keith Moore when he came to know how Quran described this 15 centuries ago with this exactitude. When Mohammed came with his mission, he found the Arabs there in the Arabic peninsula in very drastic dire situation. Virtues were seen as evil and evil was seen as virtue. Raiding and looting on each other was seen as courage and knighthood. After very short time Mohammed managed to change these uncivilized communities to teachers for the whole world giving and setting principles and guidelines from Quran and Mohammed teachings of justice,equality, altruism and progress. In less than two decades they managed to denominate over both the Roman and Persian empires.
In the last day,as Quran stated it every one will stand in front of God as a single individual with your book of deeds in this life, either on your right hand (winning) or your left hand(looser). In this situation if you are a looser you will not be able to blame anyone for your failure. You can not say so and so deluded me from the right track and no one can shoulder off you your sins. What you do in this life, you will be accountable for it. Good for good, bad for bad. Merits versus sins. Any minute good you do even small like an atom weight, you will be rewarded for it. Smiling in the face of someone as Mohammed says is a merit for you. And if you do an atom weight of a bad deed you get the result of that in your scale of sins versus merits. And no one had described what a sin is better than Mohammed (peace be upon him and all Nobel prophets and messengers). Mohammed said a sin is something you do and then put your chest at unease and you don't want people to know about what you have done. And Mohammed says a true Muslim is a person who, people are save from his tongue and his hand. He says also ( is there anything fling people onto hell fire other than the crops of their tongues). And he says ( By Allah (God) he is not a believer, by Allah he is not a believer, by Allah he is not a believer (3 times). Then his companions worryingly asked him: who is this O messenger of Allah? He said: the one who sleep his night with a full stomach and his neighbour slept hungry and he knows about him. That is Mohammed, please listen carefully to him. He honours all prophets before him from Adam to Nessus.
Thanks all for this nice debate

 

[Baroodi]

Sorry from Adam to Jessus

 

[loverofhumanity]

There's a really interesting passage in Luke. It says this, 'And a certain ruler asked him [Jesus], saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is God.'

Think about this a second. If Jesus was a man only, he could not have been called good. It would have been wrong to call a man good, because only God is good. So does this mean that Jesus was not good? No. Jesus just wanted to pose the question; 'Why callest THOU me good?'
I am happy to call Jesus good, because I believe he came from God. I believe that as the Son of God he was the image of God. I believe that as the resurrected Lord, he is worthy of worship.
How far removed am I NOW from the faith taught by Muhammad! Allah has no partner! Allah has no Son! God cannot come to earth!
You cannot carry on the lie that the Qur'an and the Bible are compatible. It's simply not true. At some point in time you are going to have to face the question posed by Jesus; 'But whom say ye that I am?'

There are interpretations of the Bible itself which have caused wars, bloodshed and division and divided Christianity into nearly 40,000 sects incapable of uniting around just one Jesus and one Holy Bible.

I believe in the interpretations which bring love and unity between Christian and Muslim and harmonizes the Bible with the Quran.

One can look at the Bible and Quran with divisive eyes or seek to see the truth in both. To me both Christ and Muhammad are like two pure mirrors facing the sun, God, reflecting His light to humanity.

If one sees them as conflicting and contradicting it has to do with the eye of the beholder. I see unity and oneness and also that there are many prophecies in the Bible prophesying Muhammad and Baha'u'llah.

So we accept both Christ, Muhammad and after them the Bab and Baha'u'llah which we believe were also prophesied in both the Bible and Quran.

So we Baha'is see unity and oneness and reconciliation between the Faiths. That our age of disunity is due to our immaturity and that as we mature spiritually we will begin to see with the eyes of oneness not conflict and divisiveness.

 

[Redemptionsong]

If one sees them as conflicting and contradicting it has to do with the eye of the beholder. I see unity and oneness and also that there are many prophecies in the Bible prophesying Muhammad and Baha'u'llah.

Where exactly?

 

[Baroodi]

Where exactly?

What evidence you have for the prophesy of Bahaullah. Unifying all religions in one is invalid because they are not homogeneous even in the basic principles like the doctrine. Christianity pretends that Christ is the son of God but Muslims believe that God has no wife and has no son, Christ is a human messenger born by the will of Allah without a father. Muslims believe Allah is one, omnipotent and omnipresent. In addition Christianity in it self dvided into many different sects and can not be united. Furthermore Christianity suffers from continuing attrition hence today's Christianity is totally different than the Christ Christianity. Yes the proven celestial religions and prophets starting with Adam came with the same God message regarding the principles of monotheism

 

[loverofhumanity]

Where exactly?

In the Old Testament and the Book of Revelation. As I stated. If you interpret with the eyes of division and conflict you will see nothing. But if you look with the eyes of love and sincerity your eyes will see Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah prophesied all throughout the Bible in many, many places.

There were around 333 prophecies in the Torah regarding Christ's first coming but they crucified Him because being learned is not the main qualification to see God.

One must have a pure heart to see God so all the prophecies in the world I could quote to you and you would reject them all in an instant if your heart is not pure.

If your heart is pure God will open your eyes to the truth.

 

[loverofhumanity]

What evidence you have for the prophesy of Bahaullah. Unifying all religions in one is invalid because they are not homogeneous even in the basic principles like the doctrine. Christianity pretends that Christ is the son of God but Muslims believe that God has no wife and has no son, Christ is a human messenger born by the will of Allah without a father. Muslims believe Allah is one, omnipotent and omnipresent. In addition Christianity in it self dvided into many different sects and can not be united. Furthermore Christianity suffers from continuing attrition hence today's Christianity is totally different than the Christ Christianity. Yes the proven celestial religions and prophets starting with Adam came with the same God message regarding the principles of monotheism

The evidence as with any Manifestation of God is a spiritual evidence as Christ and Muhammad and all the Prophets did not come with an earthly kingdom.

We only know them by their spiritual qualities and attributes and their teachings.

Christians and Muslims are praying to the same one reality, God. Th Spirit is the same just the words are different.

 

[Tumah]

There were around 333 prophecies in the Torah regarding Christ's first coming but they crucified Him because being learned is not the main qualification to see God.

One must have a pure heart to see God so all the prophecies in the world I could quote to you and you would reject them all in an instant if your heart is not pure.

If your heart is pure God will open your eyes to the truth.

The Belgian Blue bull, is the largest naturally bred bull out there. Until this post.

If you would have a pure heart to see waffles, you would find 2,100 prophecies regarding the existence of the Waffle House in the Torah. The same number of Waffle Houses there are. If your heart is not pure to the waffle, I could quote you all the prophecies in the world and you would reject them. Because the problem is your impure heart, not my inability to sustain my arguments with logic.

If your heart is pure, the waffles will open your eyes to the truth.

 

[Tumah]

Sorry from Adam to Jessus

Its ok, I don't think anyone who is not Muslim cared anyway.

 

[Notanumber]

This video shows what an absolute minefield the Quran is.

Even the followers of Islam would need to be top-notch lawyers to avoid its pitfalls.

 

[Baroodi]

unfortunately the video above is full of falsehoods as usual as it take quotes out of its contexts to twist the facts. At the same time they were talking a bout a christian who was not following his Bible they want to condemn the majority of Muslim because of few who were not following their great book the Quran and who are committing crimes out of extremism, terrorism or ignorance even against Muslims. Islam is great, every one should not be a pawn or a parrot to repeat such frank lies. We still challenge every one to bring forward from the Quran one verse that Quran is admonishing Muslims to kill non-muslims other than in self-defence putting in mind the history of oppression against Muslims early in its history until they were obliged to flee to Ethiopia

 

[loverofhumanity]

unfortunately the video above is full of falsehoods as usual as it take quotes out of its contexts to twist the facts. At the same time they were talking a bout a christian who was not following his Bible they want to condemn the majority of Muslim because of few who were not following their great book the Quran and who are committing crimes out of extremism, terrorism or ignorance even against Muslims. Islam is great, every one should not be a pawn or a parrot to repeat such frank lies. We still challenge every one to bring forward from the Quran one verse that Quran is admonishing Muslims to kill non-muslims other than in self-defence putting in mind the history of oppression against Muslims early in its history until they were obliged to flee to Ethiopia

"Who is there that can put out the light which the snow-white Hand of God hath lit? Baha'u'llah.

 

[Shad]

From all above posts I can clearly see that people are either prejaudicing Islam or wrongly understands it's message. Garry Miller studied Quran expecting to find flaws in it and he ended up as Muslim' he studied it in depth and details and he was guided to the clear truth. The scientific facts presented by Quran are unrefutable dear Shad.

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I refute these all the time. Most are wrong in basic principle. Toss one up and I will demonstrate this.

For example Quran talks about the development of the embryo in the womb before modern science and before any book and we all know what happen to Dr Keith Moore when he came to know how Quran described this 15 centuries ago with this exactitude.

Yet Moore never converted, never published his findings in academia, he never actually wrote this into any edition of his book on the subject. Another did and you wont find this edition at any university that isn't Islamic. The latest proponent of this claim, Hamza Tzortzis, had his paper not only refute but atheists but embryologists while also withdrawing his own paper after being demonstrated to be wrong.

I cut the reset out as it is a theological view point thus not relevant to other claims of fact I addressed.

 

[loverofhumanity]

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I refute these all the time. Most are wrong in basic principle. Toss one up and I will demonstrate this.




Yet Moore never converted, never published his findings in academia, he never actually wrote this into any edition of his book on the subject. Another did and you wont find this edition at any university that isn't Islamic. The latest proponent of this claim, Hamza Tzortzis, had his paper not only refute but atheists but embryologists while also withdrawing his own paper after being demonstrated to be wrong.

I cut the reset out as it is a theological view point thus not relevant to other claims of fact I addressed.

If it were as easy as 'tossing it up' and refuting it, Islam would never have endured 1,400 years.

Big words, little to no effect.

I've read the Quran and studied the life of Muhammad and fallen in love with it all and I'm not even a Muslim so no matter what you think you can refute I can counter refute.

 

[Notanumber]

unfortunately the video above is full of falsehoods as usual as it take quotes out of its contexts to twist the facts. At the same time they were talking a bout a christian who was not following his Bible they want to condemn the majority of Muslim because of few who were not following their great book the Quran and who are committing crimes out of extremism, terrorism or ignorance even against Muslims. Islam is great, every one should not be a pawn or a parrot to repeat such frank lies. We still challenge every one to bring forward from the Quran one verse that Quran is admonishing Muslims to kill non-muslims other than in self-defence putting in mind the history of oppression against Muslims early in its history until they were obliged to flee to Ethiopia

Try this video then

If someone can be jailed for quoting the Quran, the Quran must be a dangerous book.

Is it not time it went through a major revision, to remove all the evil parts?

Then it would not be possible to quote it out of context.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Try this video then

If someone can be jailed for quoting the Quran, the Quran must be a dangerous book.

Is it not time it went through a major revision, to remove all the evil parts?

Then it would not be possible to quote it out of context.

The Quran only teaches good.

 

[Notanumber]

Spoiler: Is this one of its teachings?

http://myreligionislam.com/detail.asp?Aid=6096

 

[Shad]

If it were as easy as 'tossing it up' and refuting it, Islam would never have endured 1,400 years.

Humanity has had a number of religions which are mutually exclusive thus only one of these conflicting religions could be true. Yet this fact of logic does not cause the collapse of Christianity, Judaism nor Islam let alone forms of Hinduism. Besides the topic I was talking about refuting are the modern miracle claims which never existed for 1400 years, more like 30-40.

Big words, little to no effect.

Hardly as I have already exposed Moore as he words say one thing but his actions, and lack of, show another.

I've read the Quran and studied the life of Muhammad and fallen in love with it all and I'm not even a Muslim so no matter what you think you can refute I can counter refute.

Go for it

 

[loverofhumanity]

Humanity has had a number of religions which are mutually exclusive thus only one of these conflicting religions could be true. Yet this fact of logic does not cause the collapse of Christianity, Judaism nor Islam let alone forms of Hinduism. Besides the topic I was talking about refuting are the modern miracle claims which never existed for 1400 years, more like 30-40.



Hardly as I have already exposed Moore as he words say one thing but his actions, and lack of, show another.



Go for it

Our understanding is that all these religions are true but were only revealed for the age in which they appeared. So Hinduism was meant for that age until Buddhism came along and then Christianity and Islam and so on.

Like one progresses in a school. The different classes teach different things but one needs to learn the ABC if one wants to go to university so it's all complimentary and so too are the religions complimentary.

They were never ever all meant to exist at the same time but each subsequent one was to absorb the previous one and so one.

So Hindus were expected to accept Buddha and Buddhist were supposed to accept Christ and Christians, Muhammad. But instead, the leaders of religion, once they tasted power refused to think of handing it over even to the one promised to come after them and prophesied in their own books. So what we see is all previous religions persecute the subsequent Educator that comes instead of accepting Him.

So you are right that there is only really one religion but we say that the accumulated revelations of all the Educators of the past are part of that religion.

So you see Baha'is accept all the Faiths gone before.

 

[Shad]

Our understanding is that all these religions are true but we're only revealed for the age in which they appeared. So Hinduism was meant for that age until Buddhism came along and then Christianity and Islam and so on.

Your understanding is irrelevant as the fact that each religion mutually exclusive according to it's own views not some view you impose upon it.

Like one progresses in a school. The different classes teach different things but one needs to learn the ABC if one wants to go to university so it's all complimentary and so too are the religions complimentary.

They were never ever all rant to exist at the same time but each subsequent one to absorb the previous one and so one.

So Hindus were expected to accept Buddha and Buddhist were supposed to accept Christ and Christians, Muhammad. But instead, the leaders of religion, once they tasted power refused to think of handing it over even to the one promised to come after them and prophesied in their own books. So what we see is all precious religions persecute the subsequent Educator that comes instead of accepting Him.

Irrelevant point dependent on your opinion, nothing more

So you are right that there is only really one religion but we say that the accumulated revelations of all the Educators of the past are part of that religion.

Irrelevant point dependent on your opinion, nothing more

So you see Baha'is accept all the Faiths gone before.

So what? All you have done is filter all religions from your own religion's point of view. This does not create a fact.