MARCELLO
Transitioning from male to female
Under a so called sheria but even homosexuality is legal here. So do your math...
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There are no mistakes in Quran
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FearGod
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Fight doesn't mean kill, the verse doesn't say "اقتلو أهل الكتاب"
mahasn ebn sawresho
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What is the difference between fighting and killing ???
When fighting the People of the Book, it means that there was killed
Is the fighting is to spread the roses ??
Here's another verse
When the sacred months then kill the idolaters wherever ye find
Here is a general rule the idolaters
Jews and Christians from the infidels and is also consideredWhat is the difference between fighting and killing ???
When fighting the People of the Book, it means that there was killed
Is the fighting is to spread the roses ??
Here's another verse
When the sacred months then kill the idolaters wherever ye find
Here is a general rule the idolaters
Jews and Christians from the infidels and is also considered
So murder is a consequence of the slain
Is there smoke without fire
When there is a fight
There have been killed
For this murder of orders Koran
mahasn ebn sawresho
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So it does not apply Islamic sharia law
I'm here talking about the Koran and not the policies of the Islamic countries
I'm talking about Islamic Thought
mahasn ebn sawresho
Well-Known Member
So it does not apply Islamic sharia law
I'm here talking about the Koran and not the policies of the Islamic countries
I'm talking about Islamic Thought
mahasn ebn sawresho
Well-Known Member
sura al safat -147
And sent him to a hundred thousand or increase
This from the mistakes of the Koran
Why God did not know the number
Says one hundred thousand or increase ??
If the Koran the word of God, he will know the number
And does not speak in terms of probabilities
and surt noh
(15) and made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp?
Is the moon is the source of light ???
As is the sun ???
The moon reflects the sun's rays
It is dark and not Munir
Do you think that the moon Munir for itself as it is the sun ???
And sent him to a hundred thousand or increase
This from the mistakes of the Koran
Why God did not know the number
Says one hundred thousand or increase ??
If the Koran the word of God, he will know the number
And does not speak in terms of probabilities
and surt noh
(15) and made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp?
Is the moon is the source of light ???
As is the sun ???
The moon reflects the sun's rays
It is dark and not Munir
Do you think that the moon Munir for itself as it is the sun ???
MARCELLO
Transitioning from male to female
But I am telling you the truth. Btw,What's islamic thought? Pls define it...
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
psychoslice said: ↑
Doesn't every religion say there's no mistakes in their scriptures, well someone is lying lol.
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Doesn't every religion say there's no mistakes in their scriptures, well someone is lying lol.
Did somebody quote from such scriptures as I requested? Please
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leibowde84
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This request seems illogical. The claim is that religions claim their scriptures to be without error. Not that every scripture makes this claim about itself.
paarsurrey
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I understand one's discomfort. Christian scripture does not have both claims and reason from Jesus on the issues.
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leibowde84
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Jesus didn't write any of the Bible, so why would you even expect to see that? Again, this points to your request being irrational.
paarsurrey
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One's embarrassment again?
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leibowde84
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What embarrassment. No one claims that Jesus wrote the Bible. Where did you come up with that one?
The Quran says:
1) all things are created in pairs
2) the sun sets in water on the Earth.
3) stars are missiles against Devils
4) mountains were put in place to stop the Earth from shaking.
5) the Earth is spread out like a carpet.
6) the Earth was created before the heavens
7) the sun runs to a resting place
I'd say they were pretty major errors, what's more is they are all in line with the scientific knowledge of the time, more proof the Quran was written by men.
paarsurrey
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"The Quran says:
1) all things are created in pairs"
Please quote the verse with some preceding verses and some following verses for the context from Arabic Text.
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Surah Dhaariyaat verse 50 (Surah 51)
http://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=2490®ion=E1
Some Muslims try saying the particle 'min' should actually be translated as 'some of' rather than 'of', this is incorrect and is another example of Muslims applying modern scientific knowledge on verses from an ancient book. This verse is clear about all things being created in pairs, other verses (such as 36:36) state that all things are created in pairs and the Islamic version of the Noahs ark myth also clearly show that the author/s of the Quran believed that all things came in pairs (understandable given the knowledge of the world at that time).
paarsurrey
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The hurf-e-jar (preposition) 'min' can be translated both ways,and it is not wrong. Does one mean that religion should not support science or science should not support religion? What is wrong if either of them supports the other? I don't get one exactly.
In any case science does not support Agnosticism. Right?
Science is not a function of Agnosticism.Right?
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Do you reject the Quran commentary provided in my previous post? I
Why do you keep bringing up the fact that I'm agnostic? It's not a position I need to defend, could there be a God? There may be, it's possible but we don't know for sure and it seems unlikely (unlikely to me anyway). Can we be certain that there is a God and that Allah is the one true God? I don't believe so, particularly due to the fact that Islam is demonstrably false (and yet claims to be the religion with the perfect error free revelation from God Himself). What do you mean when you say science does not support agnosticism?
In order for you to show that min means 'some of', you would need to deal with every verse in the Quran which relates to pairs and you would need to show that min is used in every verse.
Here's one example from Surah Yaaseen verse 36:
سُبْحَانَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَزْوَاجَ كُلَّهَا مِمَّا تُنْبِتُ الْأَرْضُ وَمِنْ أَنْفُسِهِمْ وَمِمَّا لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"Glory to Allah Who created in pairs all things that the earth produces as well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which they have no knowledge."
The sixth word of this verse is mimma, it is divided into 2 morphological segments. A preposition and relative pronoun. This (mimma) carries the meaning 'of what' and can not be translated as 'some of', this means that the Quran is stating that 'mimma tunmbitul ard' (all of what the earth produces comes in pairs), this of course is false. Since the Quran states that all that the earth produces comes in pairs, we must take the translation of min to be 'of' rather than 'some of' as not doing so leads to a contradiction in the Quran.
Another interesting point is the use of min before anfusihim, this part of the verse has always been translated as "mankind themselves", meaning that it is referring to the fact that mankind reproduce sexually (pairs, male and female). If we are to use your translation of min then the meaning would be along the lines of "some of all mankind themselves", I've yet to see any humans reproduce asexually (well there is Maryam bint Imran and the virgin birth of Eesa, but nobody alive actually saw that)
Add to this Surah Hud verse 40 which relates to Noahs ark:
"At length behold! there came Our Command and the fountains of the earth gushed forth! We said: "Embark therein of each kind two male and female and your family except those against whom the Word has already gone forth and the Believers." But only a few believed with him."
From the above verse and the use of the nominative masculine dual nouns (Ism marfu') zawjayn ithnayni (pairs two), it is clear that Allah was describing a situation in which all animals and Noahs family were being saved from the great flood. Allah only mentions pairs of male and female, did he forget that there are asexually reproducing organisms as well? Was Allah unaware of the fact that He 'created' all female lizard populations (Teiidae) as well as the countless
archaeans, bacterium, protists and unicellular fungi (most of which reproduce predominantly through asexual reproduction)?
Are you able to show any classical works of tafseer (prior to the discovery of asexual reproduction and parthenogenesis) which translate min in any of the pairs verses as 'some of'?
In the context of all verses in the Quran which relate to creation in pairs, it is clear that min is to be translated as 'of' and not 'some of'.
paarsurrey
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Quran does not claim to be a book of science, it is for guidance of the humans toward the path that leads to G-d. It guides one in ethical, moral and spiritual matters.
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