There is more then enough evidence to prove God exists.

[WhatGod]

Jesus said "I'll be back" (Mark 13:26)
So argue it out with him when you meet him..

Yeah, he said he would be back for every one before the last of his generation had died, so I guess he was lying on that one.

 

[Serenity7855]

None of which identified a method to see which is the cause and effect. The example given fails and has been refuted for centuries. The ball is a temporal force, as with my previous example, requires information lag. The ball requires gravity which is again delayed by information lag and time. Try again.

I have provided sufficient evidence, citations. If you can not be bothered to look up the citations this is your problem not mine. If you have looked it up and have difficulty comprehending what William Lane Craig is saying, well, of course, this is your problem not mine. The big bang was also a temporal force.

 

[adi2d]

Yeah, he said he would be back for every one before the last of his generation had died, so I guess he was lying on that one.

Let's get ready to do the twist


But but but what that really means .........

 

[WhatGod]

I am a Christian, and I am quite certain that God exists. While I believe that God created all life, including mankind, I have never found any biblical statement that excludes the possibility of evolutionary processes from also being true. Now finally, you have come to put my mind at ease.

You said,
"the Bible has a creation of mankind, which conflicts with evolution."

Please, now, for the love of God, show me these conflicts, and put my mind at ease.

So have JC pop by if he exists.

So here is an easy one. It is genetically impossible that all humanity derived from a single couple 6000 years ago.

 

[Shad]

I have provided sufficient evidence, citations. If you can not be bothered to look up the citations this is your problem not mine. If you have looked it up and have difficulty comprehending what William Lane Craig is saying, well, of course, this is your problem not mine. The big bang was also a temporal force.

And I have clearly refuted these examples as did Hume a few centuries ago. Craig has difficulty comprehending modern physics which is why he uses outdated examples. He needs flawed information for his argument to be coherent. However by using outdated and obsolete information his arguments becomes incoherent. Read Hume.

 

[WhatGod]

I have provided sufficient evidence, citations. If you can not be bothered to look up the citations this is your problem not mine. If you have looked it up and have difficulty comprehending what William Lane Craig is saying, well, of course, this is your problem not mine.

Because "god" is the most unlikely claim of all; adding god to any claim makes it less likely.

Take the claim "unicorns." If you make it "unicorns and god;" you have now made it less likely. You did say you understand logic right?

Fundamentally, the proof for a being is the being itself. Providing a list of well know fallacies and then saying "therefor god" is not helping. All you really have to do is have god show up and then you are done.

 

[Shad]

You have given me absolutely nothing.

"And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli," (Luke 3:23)

Please explain what this verse has to do with who Adam was?

If you think this is giving me citations, you've got a lot to learn about citations.

I have provided a verse in which a genealogy from Jesus to Adam is provided. This suggests that Adam was a real person. So go read Genesis regarding who and what Adam is. This contradicts evolution.

Look at the whole verse not just one. Luke 3:23-37....

I see I cut off 7 in my reference, which is corrected right above.

 

[Sonofason]

Yeah, he said he would be back for every one before the last of his generation had died, so I guess he was lying on that one.

He did not say that at all. He said, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

When Jesus said, "this generation", he was referring to the generation of people who were to see all of those things which he spoke of that were to come to pass.

The fig tree is Israel.
It's branches are tender, it is a revived nation, like a tree that was dormant through winter. But it's branches became alive again in 1948. It is this generation that shall see these things coming to pass. It is us, our generation that Jesus was referring to.

 

[Serenity7855]

Yep I would say Jesus manifesting physically to the disciples and Thomas sticking his hand in his side and xtians expecting physical resurrection is pretty mainstream.

That is not what you said. You said that I am hoping for resurrection and you are wrong. So wrong that it is laughable. Every human being will be resurrected, regardless as to who he was or is. It is a gift from God. It is called salvation. What I hope for is not salvation, why hope for something that I already have, no, I hope for exaltation to be able to live in the presence of God. That is main stream religion and if you spent eleven years studying religion and did not know that very fundamental principle, then may I suggest that you have wasted your time. Do you realise that it is very rude, when debating with Christians, to call them "xtians"?

So? We were discussing resurrection and just in passing to show that JC should be able to pop by and have tea. Go ahead and start convincing me.

I cannot convince you of anything. I cannot give you what I have. Only you can do that. Once again a fundamental principle of Christianity, that you should be aware of. We all have to be converted, individually, by the Holy Ghost.

Actually I studied it in depth for 11 years. But I'm cuurently just calling you on your claim. You said you could do something so do it already. Stop shaming the faith.

If you really did study in depth for eleven years I would try and get my money back. These are fundamental principles I am talking about, how would you cope if I went in depth to things like the physical appearance of spirit matter.

I have demonstrated my claim. Read the thread.

Sheesh. Reread your first post in this thread.

Done it, read the thread.

Do you even read what you post?

Silly question, seeing I write it.

You seem to want to just fluff your ego and play games instead of proving anything about god. You seem more in the sway of satan than god.

You opinion, your right, your wrong.

Sorry, its your shifty language I'm talking about and yes, always.

That is a little audacious for someone who comes on here and immediately attacks Christians

Third and final chance to make good and persuade me. You really should at least try.

I cannot do that. That is for you to seek and find yourself.

James 1:5-6

5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.


3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.

4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.

 

[Sonofason]

So have JC pop by if he exists.

So here is an easy one. It is genetically impossible that all humanity derived from a single couple 6000 years ago.

Prove that what you say is true.
Don't worry, JC will show up in your lifetime.

 

[Sonofason]

I have provided a verse in which a genealogy from Jesus to Adam is provided. This suggests that Adam was a real person. So go read Genesis regarding who and what Adam is. This contradicts evolution.

Look at the whole verse not just one. Luke 3:23-37....

I see I cut off 7 in my reference, which is corrected right above.

Adam was the first man. Are you suggesting there was no first man?

Even Darwin will tell you that all life came from dust. Well, he used the word slime. I see little difference.

 

[Shad]

There was no first man according to evolution. If you think there was this is contradiction. You have refuted your own argument if you are proposing there was....

 

[Sonofason]

Nothing happens that is random. If one considers something to be random, it is only because he knows not the physics behind it. Every single piece of matter is exactly where it ought to be in accordance with the laws of physics. And this means, that with the Big Bang, our very existence was predetermined in the moment the universe began.

 

[Sonofason]

There was no first man according to evolution. If you think there was this is contradiction. You have refuted your own argument if you are proposing there was....

Are you suggesting that apes are men?

 

[Sonofason]

There was no first man according to evolution. If you think there was this is contradiction. You have refuted your own argument if you are proposing there was....

Please show me the evolutionary line showing that there was no first man.

 

[Shad]

Please show me the evolutionary line showing that there was no first man.

Enroll in grade 11 and 12 biology. There are two courses which cover evolution.

 

[Shad]

Are you suggesting that apes are men?

Men are apes. Apes are a superfamily. Which is covered in grade school biology.

 

[Sonofason]

Enroll in grade 11 and 12 biology. There are two courses which cover evolution.

I'm sorry, I did not see any evolutionary line of decent from man to ape, not in my 11th grade biology, nor in college biology. I didn't even see it in the course on evolution I took in college. Well, so much for evidence. I see you have none to share. Looks like wishful thinking to me.

 

[Sonofason]

Men are apes. Apes are a superfamily. Which is covered in grade school biology.

That is an interesting opinion, though it is not one I share. Apes are apes. And men are men. It's time to revise your flawed evolution theory. The classification system of evolution is bigoted and outdated. Defined terms of men defining the terms of life. I don't buy it, and neither should you. Show the evidence.

 

[Shad]

Nothing happens that is random. If one considers something to be random, it is only because he knows not the physics behind it. Every single piece of matter is exactly where it ought to be in accordance with the laws of physics. And this means, that with the Big Bang, our very existence was predetermined in the moment the universe began.

Negative. Animals are capable of acting in a non-determined manner. Social and environment condition shows a group can adapt. If these could not species would never adapt.

Read Karl Popper's Of Clouds and Clocks and Brian Goodwin's Cognitive Biology.