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There is more then enough evidence to prove God exists.

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
There was no first man according to evolution. If you think there was this is contradiction. You have refuted your own argument if you are proposing there was....

Evolution says we evolved from something like fish. We are supposedly genetically related to apes, mice, cows, and even bananas. We are genetically related to every single life form on this planet. So if there was no first man, how did a man come into existence?
 

Shad

Veteran Member
I'm sorry, I did not see any evolutionary line of decent from man to ape, not in my 11th grade biology, nor in college biology. I didn't even see it in the course on evolution I took in college. Well, so much for evidence. I see you have none to share. Looks like wishful thinking to me.

You should of enrolled in a better school then. Evolution of man is covered in grade school here. A whole semester in basic collage biology covers man and it's ancestors as the sole subject.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Evolution says we evolved from something like fish. We are supposedly genetically related to apes, mice, cows, and even bananas. We are genetically related to every single life form on this planet. So if there was no first man, how did a man come into existence?

The ignorance you display is amusing and frightening at the same time. Fish? Really?

http://www.si.edu/Encyclopedia_SI/nmnh/evolve.htm

Multiple books, I advice reading a few.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Negative. Animals are capable of acting in a non-determined manner. Social and environment condition shows a group can adapt. If these could not species would never adapt.

Read Karl Popper's Of Clouds and Clocks and Brian Goodwin's Cognitive Biology.

Prove that animals are capable of acting in a non-determined manner.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
You can read the books. I have provided sources. You choose not to read them so you have embraced willful ignorance. Not my problem if you value your ignorance in such a manner.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Are you playing to an audience or are you debating a point. Either way you are lying.
Oh, am I?

To Magic Man (post #92):“It takes a man who wants to know the truth to be surprised, when he hears it, not a man who thinks he already has the truth. Truth is a constant. It never changes. It is what created the universe and it is the universe that whispers truth to our ears. You may have heard it all before, I am sure you have, however, until you can recognise truth, above your desire to be bigoted, you will continue to be disappointed when ever you hear it. It is people like you who are caught in the rain without an umbrella.
God created the universe, or at least something caused it to exist. That is fact, in accordance to known science, the Big Bang. Newton's laws confirm it for us. That means we can know that God created the universe through cosmology - science. You will not like that, but it is true. None of your ridiculing will ever change that.”

To Outhouse (post #244):“Where have I perverted anything. I, like you, have expressed opinions. Unlike you, they are not intended to offend or discredit anyone. They are just my beliefs. People like you use these boards to vent their hostility within, in anonymity, because they are incapable of doing it in the real world, for whatever reason. Your insults and slurs are like water off a ducks back to. I have had many altercations with the militant Atheists and it is all hot air. Like you, they can never back up what they say. They just are WUMs.”

(post #313):
“Yes, quite. The group of people I called rude and unkind are actually rude and unkind. It is not an observation held by me alone it is generally known that militant Atheists are argumentative, contentious and down right rude. The reason is that they have no reason to care who they hurt or the suffering they may inflict on those who need their religion to make life and death easier for them. They do it without a care in the world what effect they have on people. What is even worse is that they achieve nothing from the misery they spread and the anguish that they cause. I for one will continue my campaign to control what they do and who they hurt. Be an atheist my friend, it seems like it suits you, but stop your poison peddling through your lies, deceit, denigration of characters, blasphemy that you know hurts, nonsense pseudo science that you spew forth and the creation of disharmony in our society that people like you are intent on destroying, in the moral decline that is the result of your atheism. Our society do not need you or want you. Atheists, agnostics and those who are happy enough without religion are more then welcome. Militant atheist have created antagonism in our schools and on are Street because the have forced religion out of the home and in public places. The are a blight on our humanity having nothing positive to offer.”

(post #323):
“This is a classical example of the dishonesty of the militant atheist. To twist and manipulate other posters words in order to discredit them and stifle the truth. It would seem to anybody reading this that it is taken as read that the singularity existed before the big bang. If it didn't no big bang could have taken place. But I assumed that you knew that and said that nothing existed prior to the big bang. I should have said nothing else, however, I mistakenly credited you with more intelligence then you actually have. My mistake I will try and be more specific in future. I sort of thought that some of that honesty you had as a Christian might have filtered through. Not the case, ah?”

To ImmortalFlame (post #337):
“No, I do not expect anything I say will swing it with you. You are a militant atheist and I am a devout Christian, we are diametrically opposed. Your agenda is to discredit Christianity using what ever tool is available to you. As I have shown above you have tried to twist evolution to better fit in with you agenda and have lied in the process. Darwin does not mention evolution in his section on variation of species, yet you claimed it to be evolution. You are lying. As you are capable of this monumental lie and deception what else are you capable of. You discredit yourself saving me the job.”

To Sees (post #344):
“No, I said that a militant atheist is more likely to lie, sadly that is true. Most run of the mill Atheists are fine, no different then anybody else really. I would say that most of those people I socialise with are either Atheists of agnostics. I do not have a problem with them and they don't have a problem with me. The militant Atheists are all cut from the same cloth and all of them show the same character traits, one being, offend or please. It doesn't matter to them.”

To Magic Man (post #482):
“I do not single out any group for disagreeing with me. What on earth gave you that silly idea. I have an axe to grind with militant atheists because they are arrogant, bigoted, abnoxious, rude, offensive, false accusers, aggressive, narrow minded, lacking any empathy for those the cause distress to, morally inert, theistically redundant, and overly self opinionated becoming hostile if you disagree with them. To name but a few. No, I do not care if you disagree with me. I know the truth so it never phases me. I just find it abhorrent to watch the systematic destruction of good Christian by Bullies. Nothing more and nothing less. We all know what militant atheists are all about.”

To Blackdog22 (post #633):
“A wise man once said to me "be careful when posting where Atheists hang out. They will take your words and twist them, manipulate them and take them out of context to make them something they are not" I have seen most of the underhanded traits in your post here, typical of the militant atheist. To debate with you is dangerous as your goal is to discredit as opposed to debate. I said I can prove it to a reasonable man using current science. You are only exposing yourself.”

To Bunyip (post #733):
“Ah, another trait from the endearing atheist. Repetition. Throw enough dirt at a person and some of it will inevitably stick. It has its origins in the school play ground where kids repeat the same thing incessantly to taunt and agitate. It is used a lot by militant Atheists like yourself.

I have already said that intuition is not a word I frequently use. In this case, you have put it into my mouth, presumably because you have difficulty in spelling metaphysical. As with evolution the metaphysical becomes an axiom. Intuition becomes realistic. Even if I am totally wrong your play on this shows your desperation not to be wrong because you attack man's intellect instead of his argument. Very naughty.

So, according to you, the big bang is an intuition, a hunch or a guess, as is rapid expansion. You should send a memo to Stephen Hawkins informing him of your current postulation. Little knowledge can be very dangerous and to think that little knowledge makes you an expert can be devastating. Why not quite the school yard banter and learn some facts about that which you write as this puerile behavior does absolutely nothing for your credibility here.”

To Me (post #1396):
“When you can phrase the question in a way that does not make me look like a jerk off in answering it, then I will answer it. When you remove the traps in your questions and can assure me that you are capable of seeing exactly what I see, then I will answer it. When I am certain that your interests in the subject are honorable and not a ploy to discredit the word of God and, in turn, his servants, then I will answer it. Until such time as that happens, I will keep my pearls in my pocket.”

To viole (post #1431):
“You are comparing a fallible, imperfect human being to a supernatural God who is omniscient, being Alpha and Omega, knowing the beginning from the end. A God that is perfect in nature, being incapable of any evil or wrong doing, everything he does is in righteousness. If you want to accuse a God, that you do not believe in, a murderer, then you have to except his other attributes as well, that he is a perfect being and does nothing that is not righteous. If you are trying to convince Christians that their beliefs are wrong then you are guilty of interference into areas where you are unwelcome. Either way, you are not playing by the rules.

If you believe that God has been created by man, then why are you here toying and taunting Christians who believe differently. I see no one here trying to convert you to Christianity. They have the same right as you as to what they believe in and they are happy with that belief, so why are you trying to prove them wrong about a belief that is harmless and brings a great deal of happiness. Who gave you that right? Or are you a bitter ex-christian who could not live the life of a Christian so you blame the faith you failed at living and try to justify your own inabilities by taking other away from the faith.”



Please go on about how I am lying.

I may have said things like it to aggressive atheist, such as you, however, it would have been in retaliation to your nasty insults and attacks on me. It still makes you a liar, and we can let the readers of the thread decide for themselves. A little advice to those readers, check this guys history, he is hostile to every single Christian that I have seen him posting to.
Thank you for providing another example of what I’m talking about. 
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
You can read the books. I have provided sources. You choose not to read them so you have embraced willful ignorance. Not my problem if you value your ignorance in such a manner.

I have read every page of resource you have provided, and none show any evidence of anything whatsoever.

Feel free to provide something further, I assure you I will read those as well. I am about knowledge and truth. If you show evidence I will acknowledge it for what it is.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
You are talking about Christians who live their life by a moral code. We have no need to do this as we are honest God fearing people.

Secondly, you can fully believe in evolution and the story of the creation, there is no contradiction. You just cannot see it through our eyes.

Thirdly, you need to lighten up mate. You live in a complex complicated world with unnecessary hurdles to jump.
Then why do we see some people who call themselves Christians quoting people out of context to make a point?
 

Serenity7855

Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
Oh, am I?

To Magic Man (post #92):“It takes a man who wants to know the truth to be surprised, when he hears it, not a man who thinks he already has the truth. Truth is a constant. It never changes. It is what created the universe and it is the universe that whispers truth to our ears. You may have heard it all before, I am sure you have, however, until you can recognise truth, above your desire to be bigoted, you will continue to be disappointed when ever you hear it. It is people like you who are caught in the rain without an umbrella.
God created the universe, or at least something caused it to exist. That is fact, in accordance to known science, the Big Bang. Newton's laws confirm it for us. That means we can know that God created the universe through cosmology - science. You will not like that, but it is true. None of your ridiculing will ever change that.”

To Outhouse (post #244):“Where have I perverted anything. I, like you, have expressed opinions. Unlike you, they are not intended to offend or discredit anyone. They are just my beliefs. People like you use these boards to vent their hostility within, in anonymity, because they are incapable of doing it in the real world, for whatever reason. Your insults and slurs are like water off a ducks back to. I have had many altercations with the militant Atheists and it is all hot air. Like you, they can never back up what they say. They just are WUMs.”

(post #313):
“Yes, quite. The group of people I called rude and unkind are actually rude and unkind. It is not an observation held by me alone it is generally known that militant Atheists are argumentative, contentious and down right rude. The reason is that they have no reason to care who they hurt or the suffering they may inflict on those who need their religion to make life and death easier for them. They do it without a care in the world what effect they have on people. What is even worse is that they achieve nothing from the misery they spread and the anguish that they cause. I for one will continue my campaign to control what they do and who they hurt. Be an atheist my friend, it seems like it suits you, but stop your poison peddling through your lies, deceit, denigration of characters, blasphemy that you know hurts, nonsense pseudo science that you spew forth and the creation of disharmony in our society that people like you are intent on destroying, in the moral decline that is the result of your atheism. Our society do not need you or want you. Atheists, agnostics and those who are happy enough without religion are more then welcome. Militant atheist have created antagonism in our schools and on are Street because the have forced religion out of the home and in public places. The are a blight on our humanity having nothing positive to offer.”

(post #323):
“This is a classical example of the dishonesty of the militant atheist. To twist and manipulate other posters words in order to discredit them and stifle the truth. It would seem to anybody reading this that it is taken as read that the singularity existed before the big bang. If it didn't no big bang could have taken place. But I assumed that you knew that and said that nothing existed prior to the big bang. I should have said nothing else, however, I mistakenly credited you with more intelligence then you actually have. My mistake I will try and be more specific in future. I sort of thought that some of that honesty you had as a Christian might have filtered through. Not the case, ah?”

To ImmortalFlame (post #337):
“No, I do not expect anything I say will swing it with you. You are a militant atheist and I am a devout Christian, we are diametrically opposed. Your agenda is to discredit Christianity using what ever tool is available to you. As I have shown above you have tried to twist evolution to better fit in with you agenda and have lied in the process. Darwin does not mention evolution in his section on variation of species, yet you claimed it to be evolution. You are lying. As you are capable of this monumental lie and deception what else are you capable of. You discredit yourself saving me the job.”

To Sees (post #344):
“No, I said that a militant atheist is more likely to lie, sadly that is true. Most run of the mill Atheists are fine, no different then anybody else really. I would say that most of those people I socialise with are either Atheists of agnostics. I do not have a problem with them and they don't have a problem with me. The militant Atheists are all cut from the same cloth and all of them show the same character traits, one being, offend or please. It doesn't matter to them.”

To Magic Man (post #482):
“I do not single out any group for disagreeing with me. What on earth gave you that silly idea. I have an axe to grind with militant atheists because they are arrogant, bigoted, abnoxious, rude, offensive, false accusers, aggressive, narrow minded, lacking any empathy for those the cause distress to, morally inert, theistically redundant, and overly self opinionated becoming hostile if you disagree with them. To name but a few. No, I do not care if you disagree with me. I know the truth so it never phases me. I just find it abhorrent to watch the systematic destruction of good Christian by Bullies. Nothing more and nothing less. We all know what militant atheists are all about.”

To Blackdog22 (post #633):
“A wise man once said to me "be careful when posting where Atheists hang out. They will take your words and twist them, manipulate them and take them out of context to make them something they are not" I have seen most of the underhanded traits in your post here, typical of the militant atheist. To debate with you is dangerous as your goal is to discredit as opposed to debate. I said I can prove it to a reasonable man using current science. You are only exposing yourself.”

To Bunyip (post #733):
“Ah, another trait from the endearing atheist. Repetition. Throw enough dirt at a person and some of it will inevitably stick. It has its origins in the school play ground where kids repeat the same thing incessantly to taunt and agitate. It is used a lot by militant Atheists like yourself.

I have already said that intuition is not a word I frequently use. In this case, you have put it into my mouth, presumably because you have difficulty in spelling metaphysical. As with evolution the metaphysical becomes an axiom. Intuition becomes realistic. Even if I am totally wrong your play on this shows your desperation not to be wrong because you attack man's intellect instead of his argument. Very naughty.

So, according to you, the big bang is an intuition, a hunch or a guess, as is rapid expansion. You should send a memo to Stephen Hawkins informing him of your current postulation. Little knowledge can be very dangerous and to think that little knowledge makes you an expert can be devastating. Why not quite the school yard banter and learn some facts about that which you write as this puerile behavior does absolutely nothing for your credibility here.”



If you believe that God has been created by man, then why are you here toying and taunting Christians who believe differently. I see no one here trying to convert you to Christianity. They have the same right as you as to what they believe in and they are happy with that belief, so why are you trying to prove them wrong about a belief that is harmless and brings a great deal of happiness. Who gave you that right? Or are you a bitter ex-christian who could not live the life of a Christian so you blame the faith you failed at living and try to justify your own inabilities by taking other away from the faith.”



Please go on about how I am lying.


Thank you for providing another example of what I’m talking about. 

Are you really that ignorant to the truth that you cannot see that every single quote you have painstakingly searched for proves nothing other then you are a man with plenty of time on your hands, plus, you think that the posters that frequent this forum are mindless buffoons. I am amazed at just how innocently naive some people can be. Every post you quote has been taken out of its context. In order to prove your point you would need to show several posts before each one of these individual posts to clearly show that I initiated an attack or if I retaliated to an attack. You are asking readers here to judge another poster based on the quote of just one post in each instance. You are either expecting us all to be gullible or you just do not know any better or you are trying to make a name for yourself. I am not sure which one, maybe all three. What you are trying to accomplish is not accomplishable on this forum as it would require pages of quotes. I knew that when I said go ahead and quote me. I was going to report this action, as I said I would, and as you purposely challenged, but I think you have done sufficient damage to your foot when you shot it. :facepalm: :sorry1: :shrug:

Apart from that, these are not offensive or nasty. This post beats all of them

Post 2813 posted by Shad and totally unprovoked.

The only thing that was nasty is when people point of your fallacies and illogical arguments you become emotional and try to play games by picking what counts and what does not count. When called out you become defensive and accuse others of insults and being "aggressive". The aggression shown is your over-emotional reaction to your own illogical thoughts and this being made public. People reply in kind as it is clear that you do not know what you are talking about but follow your own illogical thoughts anyway. You do this due to your ignorance and your inability to even to attempt to understand your own arguments and that others. Your failure to understand logic and the completely refusal to learn when people try to example by examples outside the KCA.
 
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SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Are you really that ignorant to the truth that you cannot see that every single quote you have painstakingly searched for proves nothing other then you are a man with plenty of time on your hands, plus, you think that the posters that frequent this forum are mindless buffoons. I am amazed at just how innocently naive some people can be. Every post you quote has been taken out of its context. In order to prove your point you would need to show several posts before each one of these individual posts to clearly show that I initiated an attack or if I retaliated to an attack. You are asking readers here to judge another poster based on the quote of just one post in each instance. You are either expecting us all to be gullible or you just do not know any better or you are trying to make a name for yourself. I am not sure which one, maybe all three. What you are trying to accomplish is not accomplishable on this forum as it would require pages of quotes. I knew that when I said go ahead and quote me. I was going to report this action, as I said I would, and as you purposely challenged, but I think you have done sufficient damage to your foot when you shot it. :facepalm: :sorry1: :shrug:

It took me about 5 minutes to find these quotes from the thread. There are a lot of them. I provided post number so that anyway can go back and see exactly what I am talking about, complete with full context. Of course, anyone who's already read the thread knows what I'm talking about. At least one other person has already agreed. By the way, you keep confusing me with another poster. And as already mentioned by several posters, your OP itself is openly hostile.

But thanks yet again, for providing another example of what I'm taking about. :)

Report whatever you like.
 

Serenity7855

Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
It took me about 5 minutes to find these quotes from the thread.

Well, aren't you the clever one? Of course, I believe you. :no:

There are a lot of them.

It is a long thread. :yes:

I provided post number so that anyway can go back and see exactly what I am talking about, complete with full context.
Somehow, I cannot see anyone doing that unless they are one of your ilk. The whole thing is meaningless drivel. I know I will not be. :sorry1:

Of course, anyone who's already read the thread knows what I'm talking about.

Really, do you know what you are talking about. :no:

At least one other person has already agreed.

Yes, I am sure. There are plenty of similar posters to you here.


By the way, you keep confusing me with another poster. And as already mentioned by several posters, your OP itself is openly hostile.

Only if you are of that particular disposition is it. :facepalm:

But thanks yet again, for providing another example of what I'm taking about. :)

If that is what I did then you are welcome. I just do not see where I did it. :cover:

Report whatever you like.

So, you are one of those who think that Antiestablishmentarianism is a badge to be worn with manly pride. You are a Hunter and, therefore, fearless of the authorities here. :clap
 
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Sonofason

Well-Known Member
He did? When and where?

Well, I might be slanderously incorrect. What Darwin said was this:
"But if (and Oh! What a big if!) we could conceive in some warm little pond, with all sorts of ammonia and phosphoric salts, lights, heat, electricity etc., present that a protein compound was chemically formed ready to undergo still more complex changes"

I suppose it was others who extrapolated this idea of a "warm little pond" into pond scum, or slime as I referred to it. But honestly, I see little difference.

Warm little pond, pond scum, slime, wet particles of dust, it all seems the same to me.

But I do appreciate you calling my statement into question. I do prefer to be accurate.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
I have read every page of resource you have provided, and none show any evidence of anything whatsoever.

Liar, you expect me to believe you read every book, dozens in less than a hour. Liars for Jesus are so obvious especially when they claim to have read a few dozen books in an hour. I doubt you will read a single book or even looked at the link. Your religious ideology is more important than anything else and it has blinded you.
 

Serenity7855

Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
Liar, you expect me to believe you read every book, dozens in less than a hour. Liars for Jesus are so obvious especially when they claim to have read a few dozen books in an hour. I doubt you will read a single book or even looked at the link. Your religious ideology is more important than anything else and it has blinded you.

Could you be mis-understanding what he said. Could it be that you have not comprehended correctly what he wrote, it would not be the first time that you have had problems with comprehension. Do you really think that he meant that he read entire books in such a short time. Do you really think that is what he meant and was intentionally lying about it. Really? To call him a liar and then say that he is a liar for Jesus is very hostile and unnecessary. You claim to be educated and intelligent yet you believe that a Christian would say that he read books within minutes, a physical impossibility, yet you still chose to call him a liar even though you must know that it was not what he meant. That is very rude and even more judgemental of those you have only communicated with by words.
 
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SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Well, aren't you the clever one? Of course, I believe you. :no:



It is a long thread. :yes:


Somehow, I cannot see anyone doing that unless they are one of your ilk. The whole thing is meaningless drivel. I know I will not be. :sorry1:



Really, do you know what you are talking about. :no:



Yes, I am sure. There are plenty of similar posters to you here.




Only if you are of that particular disposition is it. :facepalm:



If that is what I did then you are welcome. I just do not see where I did it. :cover:



So, you are one of those who think that Antiestablishmentarianism is a badge to be worn with manly pride. You are a Hunter and, therefore, fearless of the authorities here. :clap

LOL I'm a woman.

Like I said before, anyone reading this thread knows exactly what I am talking about. Keep trying to insult me and everyone else you disagree with, it's hilarious. :clap
 

Serenity7855

Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
LOL I'm a woman.

Like I said before, anyone reading this thread knows exactly what I am talking about. Keep trying to insult me and everyone else you disagree with, it's hilarious. :clap

Your profile says, gender: undisclosed. It is hard to judge your gender when you have not disclosed it. But it has given me a hint as to why you are so sensitive by saying my post is insulting. Sadly, most insults on here are delivered by the aggressive atheists who have no moral accountability. They are far more adept at it then I am. But if you think that my post is insulting then maybe you are too thin skinned to be on a Christian verses atheist thread, as it is a well known fact that atheists can be extremely angry with, and very hostile to, Christians. There are even Internet articles on it. Many Christians will say nothing when this happens, and they are to be commended for doing so, however, I am not one of those Christians. I wear the full armour of God and I know against whom I fight. If you cannot stand the heat then get out of the kitchen because it is going to get much hotter before the great and dreadful day of the Lord. .

Ephesians 6:10-18

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
 
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