There is more then enough evidence to prove God exists.

[adi2d]

LOL I'm a woman.

Like I said before, anyone reading this thread knows exactly what I am talking about. Keep trying to insult me and everyone else you disagree with, it's hilarious. :clap

But he's a christian so we know he couldn't be wrong. You must be a man in a womans body or being a Godless atheist spewing the devils lies.




I came to this thread looking for answers. Staying for the laughs

 

[Shad]

Could you be mis-understanding what he said. Could it be that you have not comprehended correctly what he wrote, it would not be the first time that you have had problems with comprehension. Do you really think that he meant that he read entire books in such a short time. Do you really think that is what he meant and was intentionally lying about it. Really? To call him a liar and then say that he is a liar for Jesus is very hostile and unnecessary. You claim to be educated and intelligent yet you believe that a Christian would say that he read books within minutes, a physical impossibility, yet you still chose to call him a liar even though you must know that it was not what he meant. That is very rude and even more judgemental of those you have only communicated with by words.

Nope because I have read Hume, know 4 causes are out of date and have been replaced by Hume and modern physics. I have no issues with comprehension unlike Craig and his use of outdated models.

I have called him a liar as he claims to have read a few dozen books in an hour. Since he hold creationism true, and is a Christian, he is lying for his faith which would be Jesus. I doubt he has read any of these books. Also judging from him admitting he never learn about Human evolution in biology level collage I think he has lied about this as well. Human evolution is in grade 11, 12, and is an introduce course at the collage level. He probably never opened one of this books ever. Heck coverage of human evolution started in grade 7 as part of general sciences. Specialist courses started at biology as I noted. I question the system of schools in his area if he never learned about human evolution while it is standard here for children ages 12 and up. If he is American I can understand, its school system only becomes one of quality at post secondary level where money is involved.

And like I said before I call them as I see them.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Your profile says, gender: undisclosed. It is hard to judge your gender when you have not disclosed it. But it has given me a hint as to why you are so sensitive by saying my post is insulting. Sadly, most insults on here are delivered by the aggressive atheists who have no moral accountability. They are far more adept at it then I am. But if you think that my post is insulting then maybe you are too thin skinned to be on a Christian verses atheist thread, as it is a well known fact that atheists can be extremely angry with, and very hostile to, Christians. There are even Internet articles on it. Many Christians will say nothing when this happens, and they are to be commended for doing so, however, I am not one of those Christians. I wear the full armour of God and I know against whom I fight. If you cannot stand the heat then get out of the kitchen because it is going to get much hotter before the great and dreadful day of the Lord. .

Ephesians 6:10-18

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Here's yet another example! Thank you!

 

[Shad]

Lets go back to "simultaneous causation". What if A causes B causes C causes D. What if the singularity is the cause and the effect is the BB thus a self-caused universe. What if God was the effect of the singularity rather than the cause of? Craig metaphysical magic creates more questions than it answers if you reject the conclusion he wants people to accept.

 

[SkepticThinker]

But he's a christian so we know he couldn't be wrong. You must be a man in a womans body or being a Godless atheist spewing the devils lies.

Hehehe! Obviously!

The devil and I are old college room mates.

I came to this thread looking for answers. Staying for the laughs

Same here.

 

[Sonofason]

Liar, you expect me to believe you read every book, dozens in less than a hour. Liars for Jesus are so obvious especially when they claim to have read a few dozen books in an hour. I doubt you will read a single book or even looked at the link. Your religious ideology is more important than anything else and it has blinded you.

I have asked you to "Prove that animals are capable of acting in a non-determined manner." And you have not done it. You have given me a page of resources that you expect me to read so as to perhaps find this evidence myself. You apparently claim to have seen sufficient evidence somewhere perhaps in these pages of books to suggest that animals are capable of acting in a non-determined manner, yet you expect me to read dozens of books to find this evidence that you claim to have seen. Honestly it's too many books to read. I have read the pages of resources just as I have said. Since you have already seen the convincing evidence from some unknown page of this vast list of resources, I am asking you for that golden nugget, that one page that convinced you that animals are capable of acting in a non-determined manner. Is that too much to ask? You say evidence exists. Just submit the evidence, and spare me the laborious task of finding it for myself.

 

[Shad]

I linked you two books which you are free to read. Yes getting an education is a process in which one must put effort into unlike the pre-canned answers religion provides. There is no one golden nugget in science. The golden nuggets are religious rhetoric of "God did it".

It is too much to ask for you to show a little self-motivation? If you want easy answers spoon fed to you stick with religion.

 

[Bunyip]

I have asked you to "Prove that animals are capable of acting in a non-determined manner." And you have not done it. You have given me a page of resources that you expect me to read so as to perhaps find this evidence myself. You apparently claim to have seen sufficient evidence somewhere perhaps in these pages of books to suggest that animals are capable of acting in a non-determined manner, yet you expect me to read dozens of books to find this evidence that you claim to have seen. Honestly it's too many books to read. I have read the pages of resources just as I have said. Since you have already seen the convincing evidence from some unknown page of this vast list of resources, I am asking you for that golden nugget, that one page that convinced you that animals are capable of acting in a non-determined manner. Is that too much to ask? You say evidence exists. Just submit the evidence, and spare me the laborious task of finding it for myself.

The proof is obvious. Humans are capable of self determination, and humans are animals. Therefore animals have been proven to be capable of self determination.

 

[Shad]

The proof is obvious. Humans are capable of self determination, and humans are animals. Therefore animals have been proven to be capable of self determination.

Stop that! *Grab's spoon*

 

[serp777]

Hey, don't speak for me in your "all know" because I know that he will show up when you least expect him.

Hey, don't speak for all the scientologists, hindus, and any other religion that would disagree with that. What you think you know does not determine reality. When do I least expect him to show up? Now actually. Why isn't he here?

 

[serp777]

I have asked you to "Prove that animals are capable of acting in a non-determined manner." And you have not done it. You have given me a page of resources that you expect me to read so as to perhaps find this evidence myself. You apparently claim to have seen sufficient evidence somewhere perhaps in these pages of books to suggest that animals are capable of acting in a non-determined manner, yet you expect me to read dozens of books to find this evidence that you claim to have seen. Honestly it's too many books to read. I have read the pages of resources just as I have said. Since you have already seen the convincing evidence from some unknown page of this vast list of resources, I am asking you for that golden nugget, that one page that convinced you that animals are capable of acting in a non-determined manner. Is that too much to ask? You say evidence exists. Just submit the evidence, and spare me the laborious task of finding it for myself.

Every heard of quantum physics? Everything probability based, not deterministic--atoms are capable of acting in a non determined manner.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

Speaking of quantum physics, have scientists found an explanation for the famous Double Slit Experiment yet?
Last I heard, they were still scratching their heads wondering why photons change their behaviour when they're being monitored by a detector as if they KNOW they're being watched..

[youtube]TT-_uCLwKhQ[/youtube]

 

[serp777]

Speaking of quantum physics, have scientists found an explanation for the famous Double Slit Experiment yet?
Last I heard, they were still scratching their heads wondering why photons change their behaviour when they're being monitored by a detector as if they KNOW they're being watched..

[youtube]TT-_uCLwKhQ[/youtube]

There's a frequent misunderstanding of quantum physics; the consciousness or eye does not have an effect on the experiment. Rather, it's the medium used to observe a change--whenever you observe something with a photon, or force, or material, etc, you are affecting that wave and causing it to change states, and most frequently, collapse via the physical interaction that affects the heisenberg uncertainty principle. The precise way the wave form collapses is not yet understood, but it certainly has nothing to do with the fact that humans are monitoring it. It could be a computer, or a mouse, or anything physical for that matter. They don't know they're being watched at all though, they jsut react to the process of observing something.

And even if they knew they were being watched, God would not be the correct answer if that is what you were trying to suggest.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

..The precise way the wave form collapses is not yet understood, but it certainly has nothing to do with the fact that humans are monitoring it...

Prove it and you'll win the Nobel Prize..
As the baffled scientist says in the vid- "we are not allowed" to understand what's going on, as if we're up against a "reality barrier".

PS- There are plenty of other youtube vids about the Double Slit thing and they all say the same thing, namely that when detectors are installed to try to see what's going on, reality seems to change, as if the universe is not allowing us to probe "reality".

 

[BTROD]

G_d is a creation of the ego and therefore is a fictional character. Scripture is not, in my opinion proof of anything.

As the opening two lines of The Tao says:-

The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named is not the eternal name.

An Intelligence way beyond our comprehension is responsible for what we witness daily, but to assign a title to this Intelligence is downgrading the aforementioned Intelligence, in my opinion.

The Old Testament G_d is an extension of the psychopath, and would appear tame against the many political psychopaths we see daily on our Idiot Boxes!

 

[serp777]

QUOTE=serp777;3935206]..The precise way the wave form collapses is not yet understood, but it certainly has nothing to do with the fact that humans are monitoring it...

Prove it and you'll win the Nobel Prize..
As the baffled scientist says in the vid- "we are not allowed" to understand what's going on, as if we're up against a "reality barrier".

PS- There are plenty of other youtube vids about the Double Slit thing and they all say the same thing, namely that when detectors are installed to try to see what's going on, reality seems to change, as if the universe is not allowing us to probe "reality".[/QUOTE]

I don't need to prove it. Simply browsing wikipedia will confirm it.

"In science, the term observer effect refers to changes that the act of observation will make on a phenomenon being observed. This is often the result of instruments that, by necessity, alter the state of what they measure in some manner. A commonplace example is checking the pressure in an automobile tire; this is difficult to do without letting out some of the air, thus changing the pressure. This effect can be observed in many domains of physics."

"An important aspect of the concept of measurement has been clarified in some QM experiments where a small, complex, and non-sentient sensor proved sufficient as an "observer"—there is no need for a conscious "observer".[7]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)

All physics textbooks will also say this

 

[Shuttlecraft]

G_d is a creation of the ego and therefore is a fictional character...

Whose word shall we take, yours or Jesus's? Hmm..tricky one..

 

[BTROD]

Whose word shall we take, yours or Jesus's? Hmm..tricky one..

In my opinion the Biblical Jesus is a fictional character :cover: Their are many saviours of virgin birth, Jesus just makes up the numbers!

The Bible is a good read, but in my opinion it is allegorical.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

..I don't need to prove it. Simply browsing wikipedia will confirm it...

But if Wiki can explain the Double Slit, why can't scientists?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

But if Wiki can explain the Double Slit, why can't scientists?

He isn't saying that they've "explained it", he's explaining that it's not the act of consciously observing subatomic particles that forces their waveform to collapse - it's a result of the method used to observe it.

You should read more carefully.