There is more then enough evidence to prove God exists.

[Serenity7855]

You write all kinds of hate for me simply pointing out that all people are capable of bad things. How is it possible for someone to see such hate, and negativity for something so simple and equal. No one is spreading hate, but you my friend.

The topic is not about me. You and Bunyip have made it so.

 

[Blackdog22]

I would agree with some of it especially with regards to Abrahamic faiths, but in my experience Buddhists and Hindus tend to be less vocal.

I wouldn't know since I don't live in a primarily Buddhist or Hindu area, but I am sure if I did I would run into people that bothered me in the same vein. Mainly because its people you seem to have a problem with, and not the belief.

Next time I would try not to generalize an entire group.

 

[MD]

Look, I know for a fact I won't get anywhere with you, that is why I haven't posted in quite some time. Just please try to see past your own hate and realize that ALL people are capable of evil acts. The side of Atheism isn't nearly as bad as you seem to have in your head and the reactions you get are more from your own presentations and not those of others. This definitely won't be the last time you are called out on everything I, and the people of this board have said. Maybe one day you will consider why.

Are you talking to me? If so I've never even spoken to you. Which people? My posts have no hate in them, just observations. If anything you're the one getting all worked up. Aside from a couple of really arrogant atheists people on this board don't mind me.

 

[Blackdog22]

Are you talking to me? If so I've never even spoken to you. Which people? My posts have no hate in them, just observations. If anything you're the one getting all worked up. Aside from a couple of really arrogant atheists people on this board don't mind me.

Not you man. :no:

 

[MD]

I wouldn't know since I don't live in a primarily Buddhist or Hindu area, but I am sure if I did I would run into people that bothered me in the same vein. Mainly because its people you seem to have a problem with, and not the belief.

Next time I would try not to generalize an entire group.

I am not generalizing an entire group, try to read more clearly. I said many atheists, not all atheists. I will say the same for Abrahamic faiths in general, there is a lot of dogmatism in those faiths amongst many members.

We all speak from our experiences.

 

[Blackdog22]

I am not generalizing an entire group, try to read more clearly. I said many atheists, not all atheists. I will say the same for Abrahamic faiths in general, there is a lot of dogmatism in those faiths amongst many members.

We all speak from our experiences.

The post you were responding to was saying "Atheists are far more angry than Theists".

I would try not to get caught up in a post like that, then post that you agreed, and thought many atheists were just as bad as fundamentalist.

If you're belief is people are capable of acting extreme in general, there are better ways to go about it, and better posts to respond to, that don't make it look like you are taking the side of an extremist.

 

[adi2d]

That would take me far to long. When a people become that wicked they trigger condemnation upon themself. God is helpless in preventing it, as helpless as he is in preventing an apple from falling to the floor.

Its me again

Still waiting to be shown convincing evidence that it could be God

But this post has me a little confused. "God is helpless"? Is God not omnipotent?

I honestly don't think I've ever seen God described as helpless before

Anyway. Carry on RFers.

 

[MD]

The post you were responding to was saying "Atheists are far more angry than Theists".

I would try not to get caught up in a post like that, then post that you agreed, and thought many atheists were just as bad as fundamentalist.

If you're belief is people are capable of acting extreme in general, there are better ways to go about it, and better posts to respond to, that don't make it look like you are taking the side of an extremist.

This is what I wrote

"This is true, many atheists tend to be as fanatical as other fundamentalists from other religions. No respect or open mindedness, just open hostility. I don't believe in many religious things, but I don't belittle everyone that does. Atheists tend to."

Every philosophical position has people which can act in an extreme way. But some philosophies can change and some philosophies are inherently dogmatic. Some philosophies are a lot less dogmatic.

A century ago the average muslim was more sufi leaning, now the average muslim is more salafist leaning. A few centuries ago the average Christian was war mongering, now not so much.

There are some philosophies which are generally benign, say for example Buddhism. Yet I've seen atheists attack Buddhism with the same sense of anger than they would attack Al Qaeda. The atheism of today isn't the atheism of Sagan and Asimov, it has changed.

I don't believe in a personal God, heaven, hell, angels and a whole slew of things. I've seen too much crap and suffering to believe in a personal God. Evolution and human induced climate change is a fact. But I don't attack some Christian kid cuz he believes his mom has gone to heaven after dying of cancer. I've seen an atheist do that while someone was in the middle of their saddest moment, and that really angered me.

What do atheists hope to achieve? Everyday millions of children are starving and thousands die horribly in wars. All that these people have going for them is a belief, whether imaginary or whatever. What exactly is an atheist trying to achieve by telling them that they're wrong? Will they feed them? Or bring back their family who was massacred? By telling them that they're delusional, you're removing one of the only things that give them hope.

 

[outhouse]

Your snide insults are getting tiresome, you have no background in science.
.

I have enough, for going up against militant theist.

Where's your other atheist buddy

Don't need them for your lack of religious knowledge.

If you think anyone who is spiritual doesn't belong in science

can you comprehend at a grade school level.


I have never stated that.

, you are discounting the many scientists who are and insult everyone who is in the scientific field and believes in spirituality.

can you comprehend at a grade school level.


I have never stated that.

Anyone who claims they know everything about reality because of our current scientific knowledge is so arrogant it's laughable

can you comprehend at a grade school level.


I have never stated that.

. And I laugh at you always

Ignorance often laughs at what it does not know.

But I do love humor, glad I can help.

 

[outhouse]

This is what I wrote

"This is true, many atheists tend to be as fanatical as other fundamentalists from other religions. .

And provided no credible examples

Many "people" fit that bill better.

Most atheist are well educated and MOST of the time no where near fundy's.

But I don't attack some Christian kid cuz he believes his mom has gone to heaven after dying of cancer. I've seen an atheist do that while someone was in the middle of their saddest moment, and that really angered me.

So you ran across a lowlife, they come in all shapes and sizes. That would make me mad as well.

 

[Blackdog22]

This is what I wrote

"

A century ago the average muslim was more sufi leaning, now the average muslim is more salafist leaning. A few centuries ago the average Christian was war mongering, now not so much.

There are some philosophies which are generally benign, say for example Buddhism. Yet I've seen atheists attack Buddhism with the same sense of anger than they would attack Al Qaeda. The atheism of today isn't the atheism of Sagan and Asimov, it has changed.

I

Atheists were just as capable of being rude in Sagans day as they are today, and they were just as rude. Just because we have the internet, and get to see it more openly, doesn't mean people weren't rude in Sagans day.

Look, I get it, you saw an Atheist be rude and so you were offended. I would be too, but guess what, I am an Atheist and I would never try to drag down a kid who just witnessed his mom die. I have seen Christians also try deathbed conversions on someones deathbed in their weakest moments. It happened to Hitchens, it happens almost constantly around America.

In fact, because of the proportion of Atheists to Christians I have witnessed more rude acts in public from Christians over Atheists, by far. However I realize this fact and don't go on websites saying "most Christians are idiots" or "angry" or "bigots" or whatever word you want to use and I don't do it in response to someone who is obviously verging on the extremist side in agreement with him.

 

[outhouse]

In fact, because of the proportion of Atheists to Christians I have witnessed more rude acts in public from Christians over Atheists, by far. However I realize this fact and don't go on websites saying "most Christians are idiots" or "angry" or "bigots" or whatever word you want to use and I don't do it in response to someone who is obviously verging on the extremist side in agreement with him.

Agreed. The biggest complaint atheist get is "that biologist is wrong" Dawkins. And he is in fact correct. They hate the truth.

As to where religious nutters start wars, usually on their own, less a different sect, or camp out at gay or military funerals.


If I had to guess at the issue theist VS atheist its 95% theist with severe issues VS 5% tops for atheist and that is stretching for the benefit of doubt.



To me, people exploit atheist through ignorance.

 

[Serenity7855]

Its me again

Still waiting to be shown convincing evidence that it could be God

But this post has me a little confused. "God is helpless"? Is God not omnipotent?

I honestly don't think I've ever seen God described as helpless before

Anyway. Carry on RFers.

I was expecting that. God is indeed omnipotent and omniscient, that is, he can do everything that can be done and know everything that can be known. He cannot contravene universal laws.

 

[Serenity7855]

this is what i wrote

"this is true, many atheists tend to be as fanatical as other fundamentalists from other religions. No respect or open mindedness, just open hostility. I don't believe in many religious things, but i don't belittle everyone that does. Atheists tend to."

every philosophical position has people which can act in an extreme way. But some philosophies can change and some philosophies are inherently dogmatic. Some philosophies are a lot less dogmatic.

A century ago the average muslim was more sufi leaning, now the average muslim is more salafist leaning. A few centuries ago the average christian was war mongering, now not so much.

There are some philosophies which are generally benign, say for example buddhism. Yet i've seen atheists attack buddhism with the same sense of anger than they would attack al qaeda. The atheism of today isn't the atheism of sagan and asimov, it has changed.

I don't believe in a personal god, heaven, hell, angels and a whole slew of things. I've seen too much crap and suffering to believe in a personal god. Evolution and human induced climate change is a fact. But i don't attack some christian kid cuz he believes his mom has gone to heaven after dying of cancer. I've seen an atheist do that while someone was in the middle of their saddest moment, and that really angered me.

What do atheists hope to achieve? Everyday millions of children are starving and thousands die horribly in wars. All that these people have going for them is a belief, whether imaginary or whatever. What exactly is an atheist trying to achieve by telling them that they're wrong? Will they feed them? Or bring back their family who was massacred? By telling them that they're delusional, you're removing one of the only things that give them hope.

Good Post.

 

[outhouse]

that is, he can do everything that can be done and know everything that can be known. He

.

Except leave evidence, he actually exist outside mythology.


Sort of leaves your whole claim unsubstantiated.

 

[Bunyip]

Good Post.

And what crime was it that you believe the three and unders commited to deserve death?

 

[McBell]

It is all anecdotal, and you are not a fan of that.

Oh, God has never killed anyone. He is incapable of evil. If he did that he would cease to exist. Every catastrophe in the old testament is the result of man's choices. It is beyond God to stop it because free agency has determined it. Free agency is an immovable principle like gravity.

so much for being all powerful...

One does wonder who gets to decide what is and what is not "evil"...

 

[McBell]

That would take me far to long. When a people become that wicked they trigger condemnation upon themself. God is helpless in preventing it, as helpless as he is in preventing an apple from falling to the floor.

One wonders why you call an entity so weak and feeble "god...?

 

[Serenity7855]

One wonders why you call an entity so weak and feeble "god...?

I don't, you just say I do. That is what antitheists do.

 

[Blackdog22]

I don't, you just say I do. That is what antitheists do.

God is helpless

No, you definitely said it. Its literally right there above me, go ahead and read it. One of your major problems is your own inability to get what you are saying across, and then blaming it on the evil Atheists instead of just being sensible.

You are arguing that laws of the Universe somehow transcend God. You are doing this to help your argument in order to prove God was stainless when he murdered someone, because of something you said earlier. Would probably be easier to just admit you were wrong.