ppp
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Why isn't reality the absolute standard for truth? Is that a bus? BAM! Yes.
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There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?
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Wildswanderer
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I was responding to someone who claimed it's insane to claim to hear from God. That would make the vast majority of humans insane.
It's not just what I believe, it's what most theists believe on some level.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
What is reality? These forums show us that everyone has a different reality.
ppp
Well-Known Member
I think you are confusing 'perspective' for 'reality'. If I think that coffee enemas cure cancer, and you think I am bonkers the reality of whether or not coffee enemas cure cancer is not determined by either of our perspectives. It either cures cancer in reality, or it does not.
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How is a person, or even a consciousness, a 'standard of truth'?
Again, what does that even mean?
And why does truth *need* a standard? isn't being true enough? What else is required?
Nope. Everyone has a different *opinion*. But the reality is the same for us all.
That is the defining aspect of reality.
Yes, every person has a bit of illogical thinking. That is true of atheists and of theists. It is true of men and it is true of women. It is true of everybody.
And yes, the vast majority people will 'talk to God' in the sense of expressing their hopes and fears in prayer. But the vast majority do NOT think that God responds directly.
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Though quite a few do think that God responds to them, they are all almost certainly wrong. Since the messages contradict each other quite often one would have to say that they are almost all wrong.
Crazy? Not really since they were lead to believe that from birth. Wrong, no doubt about it.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, we believe differently.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
If human egotists shut their ego mouth speaking against us in their heads. Just for once and listened to your own human theist history.
Once no human science by want of the human man...men agreed existed. No practice existed.
You themed all natural presence via a huge amount of human only word use.
Which is human egotism as you gave yourself permission to act and choose themes by those human choices.
Yet not in any type of natural scenario did you own anything except your own one human self.
The being. The human.
So today after AI machine notification....human mind controlled causes coerced. God by science terms became precise.
From a mineral ground particle via human only manipulated alchemies. To own metal. To machine design a function. To your human thinking mind non stop control of the history....
Biological thinker human. Non stop manipulative thinking. Human. All advices about complete changes to natural earth gods status.
Thinking thinking humans voices word use thinking. Theism.
Mass doesn't talk. Mass never talked whilst it created evolved.
From a dusts ground particle to a nothing machine you built by reacting.
As you had no reactive body inside your machine. You then virtually destroyed removed all your old thoughts as human designer of the machine history. By reactive mass.
As self advice human theist it's all your fault.
Self possessed self reflective egotists as the human theist history. All about you. Your group cult behaviours as humans. Science by choice only is unnatural.
Never do you theist scientist blame yourself about a human using terms....I heard God speaking when in every human review it's exactly your own fault. The father of human sciences.
Inventive destroyer of human life mind blood body. Your human natural thoughts began your type of science practice. Converting anything. Self became included.
All terms you gave as the human are first position in nature as gods. By type or substance.
Reasoned why.
You named God as human sciences terms yourselves as the theist human scientists and now lie. Claiming humans shouldn't believe in God as science caused it.
A human retaliates and consciously advised knows human science didn't create creation.
So you argue due to human only used human awareness. The exact reasons.
Yet you caused all the indoctrinated beliefs yourselves. You taught that God owned human only recorded images as God was named by biologies living human. Water life.
So by human science only terms God only owned human image of animal humans via water cooling conditions.
Other images nothing to do with us...conjured.
As Phi maths sophism is group human science satanist coercions always was.
Today you want to argue about why a human heard the human terms a God voice speaking. Old men of science who taught science already explained it to humanity themselves a long time ago.
And told us it was a human gods reference as a scientist. Now you want to argue. Reason is science is theorising God is AI and alien.
Science began as God terms only.
Before satanic science took back the legal oath and human promise to never perform nuclear science ever again. And you practiced science under the new title science.
Science by humans taught how they had by human manipulation of God earths mass invented conjured image and voice recordings.
In conjunction with human biology becoming damaged yet survived.
Out of earths mass you converted by machines then designed built then caused the mind controlled. As biology theoried the step by step stages of changes to gods earth.
Science hence implemented human thinking mind control changes by reactive earth mass change. How we think and believe advice.
So conjuring caused an anti effect with human image voice recording emerging out of cooling. Loss of living healthy biology in the event.
Seeing you have to be living as a human to choose science and biologies self owned. If one Human gets attacked whilst we live in the same instance it is a life destroyed warning.
For any human who can still think for themselves.
Hence before the human recorded image emerged an evil unnatural image and voice had and does. As strange unnatural spirit images.
When oxygenated heavenly water cooling had cooled the reactive change humans caused to the amount of water mass that bio life is kept safe within. Only then were the images seen.
Lots of mind and biology chemistries changed before it occurred. In the Living human life. Isn't human de evolution or becoming an evil spirit.
As some satanic scientists in thesis preach. We should all be healthy equal the life warning.
In a burning gas cloud that uses manifests in a huge mass of water that would drown biology by living comparison.
A scientist taught us why visionary human image and voice recording emerged and told us why they had caused it. As human man's. And as scientists by machine causes.
As the machine is AI first.
As machines designed by humans are unnatural.
Natural life human. Natural advice is human. Science chose AI science itself as humans.
Once no human science by want of the human man...men agreed existed. No practice existed.
You themed all natural presence via a huge amount of human only word use.
Which is human egotism as you gave yourself permission to act and choose themes by those human choices.
Yet not in any type of natural scenario did you own anything except your own one human self.
The being. The human.
So today after AI machine notification....human mind controlled causes coerced. God by science terms became precise.
From a mineral ground particle via human only manipulated alchemies. To own metal. To machine design a function. To your human thinking mind non stop control of the history....
Biological thinker human. Non stop manipulative thinking. Human. All advices about complete changes to natural earth gods status.
Thinking thinking humans voices word use thinking. Theism.
Mass doesn't talk. Mass never talked whilst it created evolved.
From a dusts ground particle to a nothing machine you built by reacting.
As you had no reactive body inside your machine. You then virtually destroyed removed all your old thoughts as human designer of the machine history. By reactive mass.
As self advice human theist it's all your fault.
Self possessed self reflective egotists as the human theist history. All about you. Your group cult behaviours as humans. Science by choice only is unnatural.
Never do you theist scientist blame yourself about a human using terms....I heard God speaking when in every human review it's exactly your own fault. The father of human sciences.
Inventive destroyer of human life mind blood body. Your human natural thoughts began your type of science practice. Converting anything. Self became included.
All terms you gave as the human are first position in nature as gods. By type or substance.
Reasoned why.
You named God as human sciences terms yourselves as the theist human scientists and now lie. Claiming humans shouldn't believe in God as science caused it.
A human retaliates and consciously advised knows human science didn't create creation.
So you argue due to human only used human awareness. The exact reasons.
Yet you caused all the indoctrinated beliefs yourselves. You taught that God owned human only recorded images as God was named by biologies living human. Water life.
So by human science only terms God only owned human image of animal humans via water cooling conditions.
Other images nothing to do with us...conjured.
As Phi maths sophism is group human science satanist coercions always was.
Today you want to argue about why a human heard the human terms a God voice speaking. Old men of science who taught science already explained it to humanity themselves a long time ago.
And told us it was a human gods reference as a scientist. Now you want to argue. Reason is science is theorising God is AI and alien.
Science began as God terms only.
Before satanic science took back the legal oath and human promise to never perform nuclear science ever again. And you practiced science under the new title science.
Science by humans taught how they had by human manipulation of God earths mass invented conjured image and voice recordings.
In conjunction with human biology becoming damaged yet survived.
Out of earths mass you converted by machines then designed built then caused the mind controlled. As biology theoried the step by step stages of changes to gods earth.
Science hence implemented human thinking mind control changes by reactive earth mass change. How we think and believe advice.
So conjuring caused an anti effect with human image voice recording emerging out of cooling. Loss of living healthy biology in the event.
Seeing you have to be living as a human to choose science and biologies self owned. If one Human gets attacked whilst we live in the same instance it is a life destroyed warning.
For any human who can still think for themselves.
Hence before the human recorded image emerged an evil unnatural image and voice had and does. As strange unnatural spirit images.
When oxygenated heavenly water cooling had cooled the reactive change humans caused to the amount of water mass that bio life is kept safe within. Only then were the images seen.
Lots of mind and biology chemistries changed before it occurred. In the Living human life. Isn't human de evolution or becoming an evil spirit.
As some satanic scientists in thesis preach. We should all be healthy equal the life warning.
In a burning gas cloud that uses manifests in a huge mass of water that would drown biology by living comparison.
A scientist taught us why visionary human image and voice recording emerged and told us why they had caused it. As human man's. And as scientists by machine causes.
As the machine is AI first.
As machines designed by humans are unnatural.
Natural life human. Natural advice is human. Science chose AI science itself as humans.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
What people believe isn't that interesting when one is trying to find out what is actually true.
What people can demonstrate, is.
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
Pantheist?
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
But Einstein was fond of Jesus (as represented in the Gospels) and he believed he was an actual historical figure. He said he is "enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene" and that his sayings are beautiful.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Or deist, or possibly even atheist. People rarely read the claim that he was not an atheist in context. In context he just did not like the firebrand atheists of his time. In other words he would be what is called a soft atheist today.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yes, some of the teachings of Jesus in the Bible are actually profound. Some of the teachings of Jesus in the Bible were not said by Jesus.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Theism and pantheism are not the same.
Theism is the belief in a personal, anthropomorphic god that cares about what humans do. And in some case, cares in particular what humans do while naked, for some reason.
Pantheism doesn't include a belief in a person anthropomorphic god at all. In pantheism, there is no "single" god or creator god. There isn't even a duality of mind and matter, so there is no concept of "soul" either.
Pantheists aren't theists by any means of the word.
In the case of Einstein, his 'pantheism' would be virtually indistinguishable from atheism.
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Sure.
He also said that the bible is a collection of juvenile and primitive stories and examples of human weaknesses.
That doesn't mean that you also can't find good things in there.
I can find good ideas in the Quran as well. Just like I can find good ideas in the book of the dead, the iliad, the bagavad ghita, the viking pantheon stories, etc etc etc etc.
I can find good ideas also in lord of the rings, star wars, star trek, dragonball Z/GT/Super or in the sitcoms Friends, Married with Children, Boy Meets World, .....
In short: you can find good inspiring things in just about EVERY story.
Like that story about the scorpion asking the frog to take it across the river on his back.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
How about some of these?
It's called pareidolia.
Everything in the universe is going to look like something else in the universe.