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There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

Balthazzar

N. Germanic Descent
You know of a Truth?

Would you like to, talk about it?
Sure ... There is war in the Ukraine, and also Palestine, and probably other areas of the world, too. It may turn into WW3, but a few nations seem to be buying time, or at least trying to. How long do you think the world can postpone WW3? Religion can be a quite the subjective type of idealism and some suggest it isn't needed or at all beneficial. I know the majority of the world's population hold some type of religious belief system. Do you think religion will ever go away, or do you think it's here to stay like Rock & Roll? I'll presume Rock and roll is here to stay. I mean, this is based on faith so it's really unknown. There is a war going on in the world, though.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Sure ... There is war in the Ukraine, and also Palestine, and probably other areas of the world, too. It may turn into WW3, but a few nations seem to be buying time, or at least trying to. How long do you think the world can postpone WW3? Religion can be a quite the subjective type of idealism and some suggest it isn't needed or at all beneficial. I know the majority of the world's population hold some type of religious belief system. Do you think religion will ever go away, or do you think it's here to stay like Rock & Roll? I'll presume Rock and roll is here to stay. I mean, this is based on faith so it's really unknown. There is a war going on in the world, though.

Ah, I thought you meant Truth.

As for rock n roll-
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Sure ... There is war in the Ukraine, and also Palestine, and probably other areas of the world, too. It may turn into WW3, but a few nations seem to be buying time, or at least trying to. How long do you think the world can postpone WW3? Religion can be a quite the subjective type of idealism and some suggest it isn't needed or at all beneficial. I know the majority of the world's population hold some type of religious belief system. Do you think religion will ever go away, or do you think it's here to stay like Rock & Roll? I'll presume Rock and roll is here to stay. I mean, this is based on faith so it's really unknown. There is a war going on in the world, though.

As for r and r...
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
ok...there are, however, some things that are conjectured about and some people believe the conjectures or seem to. That's what I've noticed here. I am sure a true, or real good scientist, would say we simply don't know but this is what we think might be a possibility.

With scientists, we have myriads of "hypotheses", but we don't call those "scientific theories" or "axioms".
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Your question is like sandy ground, and I don't like feeling cornered, so I will think before I respond to you.
Just feeling cornered, or actually being cornered?


Think we'll about the sand below your feet.
( the stuff of which you mistake for heaven above)
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
That is your fault. You are not being rational. If you were then you would reject your God beliefs ten times as fast.

That raises the question: What are you afraid of?
I believe I am always rational which is why I can stick to my beliefs. They are much better than your fantasies.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
We do not need to know what they looked like, though with modern forensics we can get quite close. Did you not know that fossil evidence is not the strongest evidence for evolution? It is only the easiest for lay people to understand. And we have more than enough of that for honest people.
I believe what I have usually read has centered on fossils. So the answer is that I am not familiar with that concept.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
That isn't evolution at all. We know height, brain size, some social habits, tools, body hair......what they looked like exactly is more of a reconstructive art. The evolutionary point is a slow change from a chimp like species to modern humans, which we see.
I believe you must be amazing to see back millions of years and know exactly what is happening. What you see is what remains after all that time.
 

Betho_br

Active Member
But if God really is hiding, we know they're all mistaken... right?

Understanding the manifest phenomena as outlined, we can categorize them into distinct domains that encompass both the comprehensible and the transcendental:

  1. Rational Phenomena:
    • Of Nature: This refers to the observation and understanding of the natural laws governing the universe. This domain includes physical, chemical, and biological phenomena that can be empirically studied and theoretically explained.
    • Of Uncomprehended Nature: These are natural phenomena that currently elude scientific understanding. They may include rare or poorly understood events that challenge conventional explanations.
  2. Technological Phenomena:
    • Comprehended: These include technologies developed and understood by humans, based on scientific principles and applied for practical purposes.
    • Uncomprehended: This includes advanced technologies or phenomena that, while observable, are not yet fully understood in their entirety, possibly involving cutting-edge science and technology.
  3. Mythological Phenomena:
    • At the Level of Spirits and Similar Entities: This refers to perceived manifestations or experiences related to spiritual entities, psychic phenomena, or paranormal events that transcend conventional scientific explanations.
    • At the Level of Deities: These involve cultural and religious manifestations of divine beings and supra-human entities worshiped or revered by different religious traditions around the world.
When attempting to locate where a deity theoretically manifested, after a meticulous filtering process through the aforementioned categories, it does not technically constitute proof of God's existence. The existence of God is an idea that aligns with the parameters set by religious traditions within their respective cultural and historical contexts. Gods and religions are continuously constructed throughout human progression, reflecting spiritual needs, aspirations, and understandings of the world beyond the material.

While natural and technological phenomena can be studied and understood within the limits of current science, mythological and religious phenomena open a space for exploring the deeper dimensions of human experience, where ideas of transcendence and divinity find their place in the complex fabric of human belief systems.

Psychiatric medicine often interprets these transcendental factors—such as spiritual visions or intense religious experiences—through the lens of mental pathology, and in many cases, this interpretation is accurate, especially when such experiences are associated with disorders affecting mental health. However, skepticism, despite its analytical rigor, does not provide answers for every question, particularly when faced with profound existential issues and phenomena that transcend mere empirical observation.

Philosophical materialism, in turn, by reducing the human being to a mere cog in a mechanical system, overlooks or minimizes the complexity of subjective and transcendental experiences, thus stripping away the intrinsic meaning and value that human cultures have historically attributed to existence. In this view, humans are nothing more than a collection of chemical reactions and biological processes, disregarding the depth of our cultural, spiritual, and psychic experiences.

Recent advances in biological psychiatry have unveiled intriguing discoveries, such as the transmission of trauma through DNA (Epigenetic), suggesting that traumatic events experienced by one generation can influence subsequent generations. This field of study reveals the intersection between science and phenomena previously attributed solely to human behavior or social environment. The understanding that trauma can be inherited reopens philosophical discussions about the formation of consciousness and beliefs, suggesting that the idea of God, in its most archetypal form, might represent a profound collective trauma, passed down through generations within the Homo genus, from parent to child. This would posit the existence of God not only as a cultural concept but also as an ancestral echo deeply embedded in humanity's collective unconscious, born from primordial experiences of awe and fear in the face of the inexplicable.

This theory further broadens the field of study by proposing an interface between biology, religion, and psychology, challenging the boundaries between what is pathological, what is transcendental, and what is rooted in our very genetics.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I believe I am always rational which is why I can stick to my beliefs. They are much better than your fantasies.
And that is a breaking of the Ninth Commandment. Not your false claim about you being rational. Your beliefs are demonstrably not rational as a result of you refusing to learn the basics of science and logic. No, your breaking was accusing me of having fantasies. That puts a burden of proof upon you and you know that you cannot properly support that claim.

Why are you so afraid to even learn the basics of science? Why do you refuse to learn what is and what is not evidence and why?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I believe what I have usually read has centered on fossils. So the answer is that I am not familiar with that concept.
But you are unfamiliar since you are demonstrably wrong. That means that you are either terribly ignorant of the fossil record or that you are lying. I do not think that you are lying, I think that you are just terribly ignorant. Now one could argue that your ignorance is self inflicted which would mean that you are not debating in good faith. That does not quite cross over into the field of purposefully lying, but it is close.
 
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