There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

[Trailblazer]

I believe there are many misconceptions and false claims to sort through. It's part of rightly dividing the word of truth. This extends to everything in life. Not just religious texts.

Once one has determined what is true, it is usually easy to see what is false.
So I think the key lies in finding out what is true.

 

[oldbadger]

Because of my faith I take it slowly with help. For which I am happy==or rather satisfied. Curious though about your personal studies. (It isn't easy...in other words, to do it without assistance, at least I don't think so. Take care.)

Oh I've needed assistance alright!
Translation help. Archeological reports. Masses of conversations with students and researchers. Some HJ researcher's books, Careful reading of gospels. A knowledge of boating and netting. Celcus and Josephus. Etc etc
But at the end of the day I just discuss and debate for myself.

 

[YoursTrue]

In science, we have myriads of questions we can't answer, which is a strength, not a weakness because knowing our limitations is crucially important.

ok...there are, however, some things that are conjectured about and some people believe the conjectures or seem to. That's what I've noticed here. I am sure a true, or real good scientist, would say we simply don't know but this is what we think might be a possibility.

 

[YoursTrue]

Oh I've needed assistance alright!
Translation help. Archeological reports. Masses of conversations with students and researchers. Some HJ researcher's books, Careful reading of gospels. A knowledge of boating and netting. Celcus and Josephus. Etc etc
But at the end of the day I just discuss and debate for myself.

Certainly translation help is warranted, for sure.Because of the differences in translations. Speaking of archaeology, have you ever heard of Robert Ballard?I was just reading about him. He does a lot of underwater research. And I haven't really delved into the works of Josephus and others of that period to figure things out. Time is limited, in a way that's aood thing and not such a good thing. But thanks.

 

[Balthazzar]

Once one has determined what is true, it is usually easy to see what is false.
So I think the key lies in finding out what is true.

I think one truth leads to other truths and they end up building a complex system we call reality. I keep windows open, but I try to fall short of believing in things that don't make sense to me.

 

[oldbadger]

Certainly translation help is warranted, for sure.Because of the differences in translations. Speaking of archaeology, have you ever heard of Robert Ballard?I was just reading about him. He does a lot of underwater research. And I haven't really delved into the works of Josephus and others of that period to figure things out. Time is limited, in a way that's aood thing and not such a good thing. But thanks.

If Robert Ballard has been researching the bed of the Lake then that is excellent!
The boats, anchors, fishing gear etc can all be most helpful.
There are plenty of people here that can show you valuable info on such as Josephus, Celcus etc.

 

[Trailblazer]

I think one truth leads to other truths and they end up building a complex system we call reality. I keep windows open, but I try to fall short of believing in things that don't make sense to me.

Same here. I cannot believe things that don't make sense to me.

 

[YoursTrue]

If Robert Ballard has been researching the bed of the Lake then that is excellent!
The boats, anchors, fishing gear etc can all be most helpful.
There are plenty of people here that can show you valuable info on such as Josephus, Celcus etc.

I can find the info, but thank you. Time, unfortunately, is limited. Which REMINDS ME -- of something I came across recently on a science website: How Old Can Humans Get? (Scientific American, I think)
So -- they're saying that life might be able to be extended to um...quite a few more years with a few tweaks.

 

[YoursTrue]

If Robert Ballard has been researching the bed of the Lake then that is excellent!
The boats, anchors, fishing gear etc can all be most helpful.
There are plenty of people here that can show you valuable info on such as Josephus, Celcus etc.

It's more than that that Ballard has been researching, something about the Black Sea...but I'm not an expert. Nevertheless...

 

[Betho_br]

Isaiah 45:15
Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

If I say that I found the hiding place where God hides, will anyone believe me?

 

[YoursTrue]

Isaiah 45:15
Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

If I say that I found the hiding place where God hides, will anyone believe me?

I can understand, but I may not agree...however, it's a good thought because I think I go there also.

 

[Betho_br]

I can understand, but I may not agree...however, it's a good thought because I think I go there also.

Each person encounters the Almighty God's presence in different places.

 

[YoursTrue]

Each person encounters the Almighty God's presence in different places.

Can't say no.

 

[YoursTrue]

Isaiah 45:15
Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

If I say that I found the hiding place where God hides, will anyone believe me?

Psalm 32:7
You are my hiding place; you will protect me from trouble and surround me with songs of deliverance.

 

[YoursTrue]

In science, we have myriads of questions we can't answer, which is a strength, not a weakness because knowing our limitations is crucially important.

Right. Limitations of our thinking -- in other words, if we make a posit, there should be some backup for that theory. And then, as seems to be the case, it can't be proved. (right?)

 

[Trailblazer]

Isaiah 45:15
Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

My religion teaches that God is God is both the most hidden and, at the same time, the most manifest.
The last phrase in this prayer reveals something about God, “O Thou Who are the most manifest of the manifest and the most hidden of the hidden.”

Bahá'í Reference Library - Prayers and Meditations by Bahá’u’lláh, Page 248

reference.bahai.org

Jesus was God manifest in the flesh because God manifested His attributes in Jesus.

1 Timothy 3:16
KJV And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

But God did not reveal His essence, which remains forever hidden, shrouded in mystery.

If I say that I found the hiding place where God hides, will anyone believe me?

No, because I don't think that God ever comes out of hiding

 

[Audie]

I think one truth leads to other truths and they end up building a complex system we call reality. I keep windows open, but I try to fall short of believing in things that don't make sense to me.

You know of a Truth?

Would you like to, talk about it?

 

[Audie]

If Robert Ballard has been researching the bed of the Lake then that is excellent!
The boats, anchors, fishing gear etc can all be most helpful.
There are plenty of people here that can show you valuable info on such as Josephus, Celcus etc.

A quick check finds a video on his cursed discovery of Atlantis

Why do some people always gravitate to crackpots?

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7400015233349209377

 

[oldbadger]

A quick check finds a video on his cursed discovery of Atlantis

Why do some people always gravitate into crackpots?
?.

That's more fun than the findings of some HJ 'experts'.

 

[Audie]

That's more fun than the findings of some HJ 'experts'.

I think it runs way deeper if the shallow mind
actually allows for that.