THERE Is no super being i will tell you why

[rojse]

Kind of like liver pate'? An acquired taste?

"You know Bill, the first 4 times God did not prevent one of my children from stepping on a landmine, I really didn't care for his "love". But NOW, I've grown to like it! In fact, I'm moving the family soccer field to the mine field. There's no love like God's love!!!"
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Not saying that I agreed with it.

Again,

Perhaps this "love" is not a love that we can readily appreciate. Unknowable God and all.

 

[whereismynotecard]

If there is a god why was my sisser sexualy mollested at a young age if there is a god why did god make it so i have no breaks in life why dont i have a any friends when i am nicest guy you will meet. If there is a god why do million innocent babys die everyday for no damn reason. Why did god make people not have friends and not be able to get a girlfriend why did god make it so people cant walk what is the point of that give me a good explaination

What you mean he isnt a vending machine LOL so people got to die andmy family gets hurt for no reason your crazey not give me some ******** anwser i am sick of it he is not a vending machine give me a ******* break people dieing oh wait he is not a vending machine

what i thought lol thats life There is not god or this pain would not exist you guys are crazey to belive in something that never did anything for you that is life that is what you tell me someone who cant walk with a dead grandmother keep listening to the ******** that the bible tells you

If there was a god, he'd have given you some punctuation keys on your computer, maybe?

 

[Beaudreaux]

I'm not saying that it isn't bad from our physical point of view after all we are all wrapped up in it. But our view isn't necessarily the only view maybe there is a wider more complete view.

Okay...so in a wider more complete view, children getting their legs blown off by landmines is not such a bad thing. Correct?

 

[Anti-thesisofreason]

Okay...so in a wider more complete view, children getting their legs blown off by landmines is not such a bad thing. Correct?

I don't know. If I knew what god was thinking I guess I would be one up on you wouldn't I?

 

[painted wolf]

Okay...so in a wider more complete view, children getting their legs blown off by landmines is not such a bad thing. Correct?

Since when does god plant land mines?

wa:do

 

[tomasortega]

Not saying he would be an Ok guy. But if there is nothing I can do to convince him otherwise, then what else can I do? Other than make my relative's passing comfortable as I can while spending as much time with them as I could.

lol, so in other words you are saying that just like that mean doctor, god is not a good being.

and if there is nothing you can do to convince him to help your relative, what do you do? take the blame off of god, say that it is his will, and that he wanted your relative to "come home" LOL and then you continue worshiping god like a little sheep. how funny and sad is this?

another good example is this:


imagine you are having breakfast at a downtown street corner cafe, while all of the sudden you see an abandoned toddler crawling its way into a busy intersection. there is plenty people around, but they wont save the toddler because they are evil. but you on the other hand are good natured and sinless. but rather than save that child, you too sit there and choose to keep eating your breakfast while concerning yourself with the ammount of sugar to put in your coffe, since you are on a diet and all...


now, in this example, you are god, the people are humans and the toddler is either an innocent child in africa starving to death, or a child with cancer suffering to death.

would you consider god in this example to be good natured, sinless and without any guilt? or would you be a realist and say that god is also to blame for the child's death, because though he has the power to save it, he chose not to

 

[MoonWater]

lol, so in other words you are saying that just like that mean doctor, god is not a good being.

and if there is nothing you can do to convince him to help your relative, what do you do? take the blame off of god, say that it is his will, and that he wanted your relative to "come home" LOL and then you continue worshiping god like a little sheep. how funny and sad is this?

another good example is this:


imagine you are having breakfast at a downtown street corner cafe, while all of the sudden you see an abandoned toddler crawling its way into a busy intersection. there is plenty people around, but they wont save the toddler because they are evil. but you on the other hand are good natured and sinless. but rather than save that child, you too sit there and choose to keep eating your breakfast while concerning yourself with the ammount of sugar to put in your coffe, since you are on a diet and all...


now, in this example, you are god, the people are humans and the toddler is either an innocent child in africa starving to death, or a child with cancer suffering to death.

would you consider god in this example to be good natured, sinless and without any guilt? or would you be a realist and say that god is also to blame for the child's death, because though he has the power to save it, he chose not to

or another option, that god is not going to fix our problems for us, that god is leaving us to take responsibility for our own actions and in-actions and to suffer the consequences of said actions or in-actions. It is the belief that "someone else will take care of it" that prevents many people from acting to ease the suffering of the world. How much less do you think we would act if we believed god would come down and fix it all for us.

 

[The Hammer]

I have seen a lot of "God is benevolent" and "God doesn't really care about us," going back and forth in this thread, so here is an alternative viewpoint.

The Christian Bible states that God created man in His image. And that we as humans have freewill; and can choose to be good or evil (Obviously most people are a gradient of both, but that is besides the point I'm making).
So then wouldn't it be safe to assume that if God exists, he has the ability to be both cruel and just as well?

God helps when he wants, and hurts when he feels like it?

For the majority of people this makes their God seem too human; But we are human and we're, supposedly, created in his image. Therefore God is human... It isn't us being homo-sapiens that makes us human. It is our ability to think and reason, and decide for ourselves, and "God" has all of these abilities, correct?
So why can't "God" choose when and to what extent he wants to help or hurt? We do both everyday and with little regard as to why we do it. Some people help others, while some hurt others; "God" encompases humanity as a whole and therefore does both equally...

I don't believe in the Christian concept of God myself, but I wanted to post a third side to the discussion that wasn't the "God doesn't exist, that's why these things happen" arguement.

 

[Francis]

That makes a lot of sense, but i disagree. humans have good tendancies, like God. however, because of free will and temptation, we denied some of these and picked up some bad ones. That's my impression of it, anyways.

If there is a god why was my sisser sexualy mollested at a young age if there is a god why did god make it so i have no breaks in life why dont i have a any friends when i am nicest guy you will meet. If there is a god why do million innocent babys die everyday for no damn reason. Why did god make people not have friends and not be able to get a girlfriend why did god make it so people cant walk what is the point of that give me a good explaination

Well, i don't specifically know, but I'm sure there's a reason. I shall call you Johnny. And i will pray for you. Peace!

 

[MoonWater]

or another option, that god is not going to fix our problems for us, that god is leaving us to take responsibility for our own actions and in-actions and to suffer the consequences of said actions or in-actions. It is the belief that "someone else will take care of it" that prevents many people from acting to ease the suffering of the world. How much less do you think we would act if we believed god would come down and fix it all for us.

Just a thought to expand on this: consider if god did prevent some of the world's ills like say starving children, natural disasters and diseases, knowing human nature we would probably move on to the next horrible things down the list like oh say rape and genetic disabilities and say "why didn't god prevent these horrid things? He certainly has the power." And then lets say he did. Well again knowing human nature we would move on to other horrors. Why bother fixing one complaint if all it will do is send us looking for other things to complain about?

 

[Anti-thesisofreason]

Why bother fixing one complaint if all it will do is send us looking for other things to complain about?

Yep exactly. Why bother fixing problems that we have the ability to fix our selves if we only changed our attitudes?

 

[MoonWater]

Yep exactly. Why bother fixing problems that we have the ability to fix our selves if we only changed our attitudes?

My point exactly and likely what any all-loving benevolent god(if it exists) is trying to accomplish with us... getting us to realize that we can fix these problems ourselves if we simply change how we react to them.

 

[Enoch07]

lol, so in other words you are saying that just like that mean doctor, god is not a good being.

and if there is nothing you can do to convince him to help your relative, what do you do? take the blame off of god, say that it is his will, and that he wanted your relative to "come home" LOL and then you continue worshiping god like a little sheep. how funny and sad is this?

What are you talking about? We are talking about a doctor there. Not God. Why would I be taking the blame off of God? God did not give that family member cancer. They probably got it because of their unhealthy lifestyle, which they can only be responsible for themselves.

another good example is this:

imagine you are having breakfast at a downtown street corner cafe, while all of the sudden you see an abandoned toddler crawling its way into a busy intersection. there is plenty people around, but they wont save the toddler because they are evil. but you on the other hand are good natured and sinless. but rather than save that child, you too sit there and choose to keep eating your breakfast while concerning yourself with the ammount of sugar to put in your coffe, since you are on a diet and all...

now, in this example, you are god, the people are humans and the toddler is either an innocent child in africa starving to death, or a child with cancer suffering to death.

would you consider god in this example to be good natured, sinless and without any guilt? or would you be a realist and say that god is also to blame for the child's death, because though he has the power to save it, he chose not to

Actually if I was God I would have a million other things to do then leisurely sitting around. Your idea of what God is and what he does is construed and twisted. Secondly all humans are not evil, again proof your perception of reality is twisted. Thirdly the child suffering of starvation in africa is being allowed to starve so that we can do our part as humans to be righteous and help that starving child. How can we perform acts of good if God beat us to the punch everytime? Children with cancer is sad, but it happens for many reasons, many of which we as man are responsible for. Not God. Since we do things that cause cancer and other unpleasant things to other people we have to deal with those consequences as well. If you feel bad for children with diseases then I suggest you start worrying more about our environment to help prevent it from happening as much. Or you could just whine and complain and do nothing change the world. Which will you chose?

 

[Anti-thesisofreason]

My point exactly and likely what any all-loving benevolent god(if it exists) is trying to accomplish with us... getting us to realize that we can fix these problems ourselves if we simply change how we react to them.

I wonder why that is such a hard concept for some people to understand???

 

[MoonWater]

I wonder why that is such a hard concept for some people to understand???

I don't know. BTW, just wanted to say I love your sig especially the first quote made me chuckle.

 

[Anti-thesisofreason]

I don't know. BTW, just wanted to say I love your sig especially the first quote made me chuckle.

Thanks, I got a whole bunch of them but I thought those two fit this forum the best.

 

[Andal]

If there is a god why was my sisser sexualy mollested at a young age if there is a god why did god make it so i have no breaks in life why dont i have a any friends when i am nicest guy you will meet. If there is a god why do million innocent babys die everyday for no damn reason. Why did god make people not have friends and not be able to get a girlfriend why did god make it so people cant walk what is the point of that give me a good explaination

i've been away thus am slow in responding (don't even know if you're still here) but God is not a magic genie waiting to fulfill all of your wishes. Bad things happen, this is life. This is what we signed up for when we agreed to take physical birth. When we enter the material world we are bound by karma for life after life. So you have two choices, whine and complain about God (who hasn't done anything wrong) or get off your butt and make your life better.

I'm sorry but it's not God's job to give you stuff or even stop bad things from happening. His job is to be loving and patiently waiting for you to return to him.

 

[RomCat]

Suffering and evil are in this world and we
have only ourselves to blame.
Our world was created perfect by God then
our parents(Adam and Eve) disobeyed. The
human race became a fallen race from that
point up until the present time.
The fact that there is suffering and evil in
the world is a natural consequence of Adam
and Eve's sin.
God does not will suffering and evil but He
does will to permit it. If he did not permit
it we would not be free creatures.
Sin is so evil that even the innocent suffer
such as children, etc.
It is a total mystery why God permits the
seemingly innocent to suffer. Only God can
answer that question.
God makes the rain fall on the just and the
unjust. Just think how strange the world
would be if two people were walking down
the road together. One was a sinner and
one was not. It started to rain but the rain
only fell on the the sinner!

 

[Beaudreaux]

I don't know. If I knew what god was thinking I guess I would be one up on you wouldn't I?

This is, of course, the fourth possible solution to the problem of evil: mystery. It goes a little something like this:

• QUESTION: If God is all good and all powerful, then how come He sits by and lets evil things happen in the world
• ANSWER: It certainly is a mystery, isn't it?

What I personally don't like about this position is that it's not really much of an answer. I realize that many, many people are comfortable dealing with the mountains of empirical evidence against an all-powerful/all-good God in this manner. I just can't do it, myself.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Since when does god plant land mines?

wa:do

God could prevent it. He does not. Why do you think he allows it to happen?