Those who don't believe in hell

[illykitty]

How much you are sure that you're right ?
are you 100% sure that the hell fire doesn't exist and if yes then why ?

I'm near 100% sure. To me it makes no sense, a god would be cruel to create such a place. I wouldn't even want the worst of people to suffer for eternity. There's also no evidence that it exists, it seems to me to be a fear tactic that was created to control people and to make them believe.

Did you think for awhile that the hell fire may exist ?

I was in a bad place mentally and was questioning everything about myself... So I considered it but I was never fully convinced. I always had doubts in the back of my mind. It made no sense to me.

Will you feel regret if you found yourself in the hell fire afterlife or you won't care about it ?

Well, I think it's unlikely, but just for the sake of a hypothetical situation, if I am in hell, I will question why I arrived there and who this god is. As far as I know, I am not a bad person, so it would be unjust. I would think god is either cruel or an imposter.

 

[Flankerl]

Wow ... so that was just a false passage?

Falsified Talmud Quotes are quite a big thing on the Internet.

They come and go on RF like the phases of the Moon.

 

[FearGod]

What is hell, according to you? Is it a place of personal torment after a person dies?

I believe it'll be a horrible eternal living, we know that bad and evil people do exist and i believe that God
knows why they have to live in pain for eternity, to me nothing is impossible, i came to life without knowing
that i have to come then why i have to be in doubt that the same scenario can happen in a different world
and a different planet.

 

[FearGod]

So then you don't judge Muslims to be the right ones?

Of course Muslims will be judged as well.

 

[leibowde84]

Falsified Talmud Quotes are quite a big thing on the Internet.

They come and go on RF like the phases of the Moon.

Well, I appreciate that you informed me of this. I will have to be a bit more skeptical in the future. Thanks for your help.

 

[Useless2015]

Why are Muslims always coming up with these "quotes"?

1: - Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b
2: - Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30
3: - Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855
4:- Coschen hamischpat 405
5:- Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
6:- Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b
7:- Jore dea 377, 1
8:- Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772


No problem

 

[Flankerl]

Hahaha oh man I have done this far too often already.

Perhaps someone else does it instead.

 

[FearGod]

Hahaha oh man I have done this far too often already.

Perhaps someone else does it instead.

 

[FearGod]

Well, I appreciate that you informed me of this. I will have to be a bit more skeptical in the future. Thanks for your help.

Yes you should be more skeptical in the future.

 

[FearGod]

I'm near 100% sure. To me it makes no sense, a god would be cruel to create such a place. I wouldn't even want the worst of people to suffer for eternity. There's also no evidence that it exists, it seems to me to be a fear tactic that was created to control people and to make them believe.

That means no religion can success without the hell in order for people to be feared and to accept it.

Well, I think it's unlikely, but just for the sake of a hypothetical situation, if I am in hell, I will question why I arrived there and who this god is. As far as I know, I am not a bad person, so it would be unjust. I would think god is either cruel or an imposter.

And if you found yourself in the paradise because you were a good person and then you heard that
Hitler is in the hell because he caused the death of millions of people, will you question God as of
why Hitler is in the hell or you won't care.

 

[leibowde84]

Yes you should be more skeptical in the future.

That's what I just said.

 

[Flankerl]

So anything to add?

Any fun Talmud quotes from your part? Probably read them in your very own Talmud.
So how's your Aramaic?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

How much you are sure that you're right ?
are you 100% sure that the hell fire doesn't exist and if yes then why ?

I have become 100% sure it does not exist, yes. Years of exposure to all sorts of ideas culminated in an understanding that the human mind is ridiculously prone to dreaming up all sorts of fantastical explanations for things it doesn't understand - that coupled with the very distinct fact that hell is not perceivable, its effects completely undetectable and with no necessity for ANYTHING AT ALL to be explained by the existence of hell - well, honestly, why does the concept even exist in the first place with the complete lack of evidence or effect? The perceivable universe relies on specific rules, such as the distribution of energies, and to think that an industry (the perpetuation of souls and a reward/punishment system) exists that is working eternally and for which there is no energy needing input is nonsensical. As I have stated quite a few times on this site - if we can't define ourselves and our lives by the things that we encounter with our mind and its interpretation of our senses, then by what do we define them? Fantasy?

Did you think for awhile that the hell fire may exist ?

I entertained the idea, of course. Having been told by quite a few people who seemed sure enough of themselves. But did I ever truly believe? No - I can honestly say that at no time did I believe that hell existed.

Will you feel regret if you found yourself in the hell fire afterlife or you won't care about it ?

I would, obviously, care about being tortured for all of the rest of eternity. I'd feel a bit slighted seeing as how ETERNAL punishment is meted out for the paltry acts that may have been committed in a (relatively near-zero) term of 70-odd Earth years. Seems completely irrational to be honest. But, as I have also stated on this site, if I were to find myself wrong, I would appeal to God's supposed love for me. Making a plea to Him that if He ever loved me, He could destroy me entirely rather than allow me to be tortured forever. What use am I to Him in hell for the rest of time? I may as well not exist. Why not destroy me if He holds even an ounce of compassion for me? And if He refuses? Then there is no love there, and never was - be sure of that.

 

[viole]

That means no religion can success without the hell in order for people to be feared and to accept it.



And if you found yourself in the paradise because you were a good person and then you heard that
Hitler is in the hell because he caused the death of millions of people, will you question God as of
why Hitler is in the hell or you won't care.

Question for you.

If I brutally kill one person instead of millions, will I join Hitler in hell?

Ciao

- viole

 

[FearGod]

Question for you.

If I brutally kill one person instead of millions, will I join Hitler in hell?

Ciao

- viole

How can i know, i ain't even sure if Hitler will be in the hell, it was an assumption.

 

[Skwim]

I'm 100% sure that a place of eternal torture in the afterlife doesn't exist. The G-d I worship isn't illogical nor psychotic. The G-d I worship is merciful and compassionate.

Is this the same merciful and compassionate god who, in Exodus 12:29,

. . . smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.​

?

.​

 

[Parsimony]

Of course Muslims will be judged as well.

That's not what I asked. I asked if you think Muslims have the right religion. If so, doesn't that mean you have judged Muslims to be the ones who do the right thing?

 

[FearGod]

That's not what I asked. I asked if you think Muslims have the right religion. If so, doesn't that mean you have judged Muslims to be the ones who do the right thing?

I don't make any judgement, Islam is the right religion for me and not necessarily for you and not for him.

 

[Akivah]

Is this the same merciful and compassionate god who, in Exodus 12:29,

. . . smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.​

Yes, the same One that also rescued the Hebrews from over 400 years of slavery from the people that would rather all their cattle die than release their slaves.

 

[Parsimony]

I don't make any judgement, Islam is the right religion for me and not necessarily for you and not for him.

Well, that's a first. A Muslim saying that Islam is not the one true religion.