Thousands of Pedophiles Released from California Prisons After Less than a Year: Report

[Saint Frankenstein]

I wasn't given a choice of who I wanted to be.


How is killing them helping them?


Sure, until they are safely imprisoned.


Then you dont know me very well apparently.


Considering I never mentioned people who have not committed a crime the straw man is all your own. I can't see why having committed a crime makes a difference because I'm unconvinced of free will.

In my opinion.

You are making a choice every minute of the day of who you want to be. We're not robots, we're conscious beings with ideals, perceptions of self, goals and volition. We can't choose the cards were dealt, but we can choose how to play them. If you wish to view yourself as on the level of an automaton, that's your business, but don't think we're all at that level.

I'm not concerned with "helping" convicted rapists. They've made their choice. I believe in justice. You so violate someone's dignity and integrity, break them as a person and destroy someone's life as tends to happen with rape victims, you've forfeited your right to be here. Some people are just monsters and can never be rehabilitated. I don't view life in prison as some mercy, anyway.

 

[danieldemol]

I don't view life in prison as some mercy, anyway

Well I believe in euthanasia so I wouldn't keep a criminal alive in prison who wanted to end it all, but with the way science is progressing there may be a means of curing the rapist someday so they could safely be returned to society.

If they wanted to live in prison in the hope of being cured I wouldn't take that decision away from them by killing them.

In my opinion.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well I believe in euthanasia so I wouldn't keep a criminal alive in prison who wanted to end it all, but with the way science is progressing their may be a means of curing the rapist someday so they could safely be returned to society.

If they wanted to live in prison in the hope of being cured I wouldn't take that decision away from them by killing them.

In my opinion.

That's nice. I'm not interested in sci-fi here, though.

 

[danieldemol]

Vengeance is a defect in the evolutionary programming of humans from the time of human development before we had the means of imprisoning law breakers.

I can only hope that our desire for vengeance is one that humans learn to cure alongside other defects which are less socially acceptable.

In my opinion.

 

[PureX]

You're welcome.

Basically, I see no reason to believe that anyone comes out of the womb wired to want to have sex with children. It's an aberration, and seems to usually be caused by the person being abused themselves or an anti-social/sadistic disorder. Pedophilia makes zero sense to have evolved like a normal sexual attractions because there's no benefit to it to the individual or to communities from it. We know it causes severe psychological damage to the child, even if they're told it's acceptable. A child is just not set up in any way or form to handle sex at all. They haven't even gone through puberty. Pedophilia can never be placed alongside orientations like heterosexuality or homosexuality for that reason.

Obviously, most of us are naturally inclined towards hetero sexual relationships with adults, and that just makes obvious sense for the species to continue. However, there's evidence that homosexuality is also a natural inclination that has benefits to the individual and community. So the matter of which sex(es) you're attracted to seems a rather neutral issue. Totally different issue than adults and children.

Nature doesn't work the way you are trying to imply. It seeks to fill any available niche. Not to fill only the useful ones. Homosexuals don't happen because they somehow provide some natural positive benefit. They happen because they can, and because the niche is there to be enabled. Nature doesn't care about what's "good or bad". It simply pursues whatever is possible. And if a niche is there and can be filled, it will be filled. Pedophilia isn't much different from homosexuality from the pedophiles' natural inclination perspective. The difference is that the objective is not acceptable, because it's exploitive and abusive, and it harms people. Whereas with homosexuality this is not so. Homosexuality fills an acceptable niche within human sexual relations and relationships. Pedophilia does not. Not because it's not possible, but because it's not acceptable to us. It occurs in humans because it can. But we choose not to accept the harm it does.

The only solutions, then, are to "cure" people of their pedophilia, to remove them permanently from society, or to identify them in some way that cannot be hidden, so they will never be allowed to be around children. Since we can't seem to cure it, we're left with only the other possibilities. And so far, those have not been ideal.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Nature doesn't work the way you are trying to imply. It seeks to fill any available niche. Not to fill only the useful ones. Homosexuals don't happen because they somehow provide some natural positive benefit. They happen because they can, and because the niche is there to be enabled. Nature doesn't care about what's "good or bad". It simply pursues whatever is possible. And if a niche is there and can be filled, it will be filled. Pedophilia isn't much different from homosexuality from the pedophiles' natural inclination perspective. The difference is that the objective is not acceptable, because it's exploitive and abusive, and it harms people. Whereas with homosexuality this is not so. Homosexuality fills an acceptable niche within human sexual relations and relationships. Pedophilia does not. Not because it's not possible, but because it's not acceptable to us. It occurs in humans because it can. But we choose not to accept the harm it does.

The only solutions, then, are to "cure" people of their pedophilia, to remove them permanently from society, or to identify them in some way that cannot be hidden, so they will never be allowed to be around children. Since we can't seem to cure it, we're left with only the other possibilities. And so far, those have not been ideal.

Provide evidence that people are "born" pedophiles, please. There is none. People aren't born with paraphilias, they're the result of mental health problems. My point is that pedophilia is not the same as heterosexuality or bisexuality. At all.

 

[PureX]

Provide evidence that people are "born" pedophiles, please. There is none.

Why bother, if you're set on ignoring and dismissing it, anyway?

Pedophilia is no different than homosexuality in terms of it being a natural subset inclination. And in terms of it's complexity and intensity, too (nature/nurture, etc.). The big difference is that we humans see one as being an acceptable inclination to engage in (most of us, anyway) and pedophilia as not being an acceptable inclination to engage in. Humans are complex amalgamation of biology, history, free will, and collective restraint. That's just the way it is. Trying to call any of us all crazy, or all biology, or all anything just isn't accurate. And in the end we're still going to have to deal with the fact that some of what we are is acceptable, and some is not.

 

[Revoltingest]

Provide evidence that people are "born" pedophiles, please. There is none. People aren't born with paraphilias, they're the result of mental health problems. My point is that pedophilia is not the same as heterosexuality or bisexuality. At all.

How is this known?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Why bother, if you're set on ignoring and dismissing it, anyway?

I'm waiting for it to be presented.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

How is this known?

Because we know how people can develop those inclinations, such as through trauma and abuse. Rape a kid and they are more likely to become sex abusers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Because we know how people can develop those inclinations.

We do? I don't. Do you have anything from a reliable source?

 

[Revoltingest]

Because we know how people can develop those inclinations.

How is it known there's no genetic component?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

We do? I don't. Do you have anything from a reliable source?

I'm still waiting for people to provide evidence that it's inborn. That was the claim originally made.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

How is it known there's no genetic component?

How is it known there is?

 

[Revoltingest]

How is it known there is?

I don't know if there is or isn't.
But I'm skeptical of certainty on such a topic.
After all, homosexuality was once considered
to have no genetic component, but research
is complicating that claim.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm still waiting for people to provide evidence that it's inborn. That was the claim originally made.

But you did say this:

" People aren't born with paraphilias, they're the result of mental health problems."

And to be honest you were the first one questioned and asked to provide evidence for one's beliefs. On the previous page you probably made stronger comments. I am not saying that you are wrong. I would just like some evidence for your own beliefs. Now saying that there is no any evidence for it being inborn is an implied demand for evidence. I will grant that. You did give that sort of demand.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Also @Saint Frankenstein , like you I have heard of a relationship between being sexually abused and becoming an abuser. If that was the cause of person being an abuser would that be their fault? It is a huge problem that cannot be ignored, but I am willing to take into consideration the cause of the aberration.

 

[England my lionheart]

WTH is going on?

Thousands of Pedophiles Released from California Prisons After Less than a Year: Report

'More than 7,000 pedophiles convicted of “lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 years of age” were released from California prisons the same year they were convicted, according to the Daily Mail.

The crimes included child rape, continuous sexual abuse of a child, sodomy with a child under 16 and kidnapping a child under 14 “with intent to commit lewd or lascivious acts,” according to the Daily Mail. The outlet analyzed data on thousands of convicts in California’s Megan’s Law database and found that individuals convicted of sexually abusing children were serving only months in jail or prison; Megan’s law requires that certain information about convicted sex offenders be made public.

“Statistics clearly show that pedophiles don’t get reformed. They’re going to come out and they’re going to commit again,” former Los Angeles sex crimes prosecutor Samuel Dordulian told the outlet. “Letting these people out early, we’re allowing for a lot more victimization. And that’s terrifying.”

Lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 years of age,” was the most common crime in the database, committed 19,441 times, with an average time served of two years and 11 months, according to the Daily Mail; 7,152 people convicted of this crime served less than a year.

Proposition 57, a 2016 bill allowing early parole for nonviolent offenders which was supported by Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascon, is to blame for this string of early releases, Deputy DA Jon Hatami told the Daily Mail.

“Thousands of child victims are being denied justice and George Gascón and his group of radical prosecutors can care less,” Hatami told the outlet.

Thousands of Pedophiles Released from California Prisons After Less than a Year: Report - Tennessee Star[/QUOTE

IMO paedophiles just need a bullet,it’s the best outcome for them and society.

 

[PureX]

How is it known there is?

The inclination exists in millions of people that have suffered no childhood trauma or indoctrination of any kind. Your claim that it's all environmental just doesn't add up.

 

[wellwisher]

WTH is going on?

Thousands of Pedophiles Released from California Prisons After Less than a Year: Report

'More than 7,000 pedophiles convicted of “lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 years of age” were released from California prisons the same year they were convicted, according to the Daily Mail.

The crimes included child rape, continuous sexual abuse of a child, sodomy with a child under 16 and kidnapping a child under 14 “with intent to commit lewd or lascivious acts,” according to the Daily Mail. The outlet analyzed data on thousands of convicts in California’s Megan’s Law database and found that individuals convicted of sexually abusing children were serving only months in jail or prison; Megan’s law requires that certain information about convicted sex offenders be made public.

“Statistics clearly show that pedophiles don’t get reformed. They’re going to come out and they’re going to commit again,” former Los Angeles sex crimes prosecutor Samuel Dordulian told the outlet. “Letting these people out early, we’re allowing for a lot more victimization. And that’s terrifying.”

Lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 years of age,” was the most common crime in the database, committed 19,441 times, with an average time served of two years and 11 months, according to the Daily Mail; 7,152 people convicted of this crime served less than a year.

Proposition 57, a 2016 bill allowing early parole for nonviolent offenders which was supported by Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascon, is to blame for this string of early releases, Deputy DA Jon Hatami told the Daily Mail.

“Thousands of child victims are being denied justice and George Gascón and his group of radical prosecutors can care less,” Hatami told the outlet.

Thousands of Pedophiles Released from California Prisons After Less than a Year: Report - Tennessee Star

The Church used to have a closet, where less than optimized human behavior were expected to go; immorality created social costs for all. The behavior was still in culture, but one was expected to stay in the background so this was not spread by learning. Pedophile Priests, who were mostly homosexual and gay, were not condoned, but expected to stay out of sight; bad example to set.

The Atheists and then the Political Left, to be contrary to religious teachings; religion has to be wrong, period, started to open the closet door and teach what was in the closet was now natural and not pathology, since this was the opposite for these mirror religions.

We are now at a point where the front of the closet is part of culture and that what had been at the back of the closet, now wants to get out and have rights. Even those who left the closet first; homosexuals, are concern about those remaining in the closet, getting out; become socially acceptable, since there is a trend that former closet dwellers no longer need to control themselves since pathology is not called pathology. The future of bestiality and pedophilia seems scarier to many people due to the Left. The Left has ways and means to program the children.

I am scared of the pedophiles in medicine, who are now conning children to have their genitals tampered with. Instead of the man in the trench coat giving candy to children, they have lab coats and get payed to fiddle and diddle children, supported by Left wing political activism. This behavior appears to be from back of the closet, once only brought to daylight by Nazi doctors; sterilize the children. Imagine if a more common pedophile type cut off the genitals of children after building trust, all without consulting the parents. This is hailed by the Left. What is the next step; release the rest of the pedophiles.