Thousands of Pedophiles Released from California Prisons After Less than a Year: Report

[idea]

Good, then perhaps we could put more effort into rehabilitation instead of punishment and execution.

Perhaps we could put more effort into helping and protecting victims.

I would hope victim rehabilitation would be the number 1 priority in all of this.

 

[idea]

....Imagine if a more common pedophile type cut off the genitals of children after building trust, all without consulting the parents. This is hailed by the Left. What is the next step; release the rest of the pedophiles.

I know a child who changed their gender after severe abuse. They were repeatedly abused by uber religious christian father. They ran away from home, ended up in another very abusive relashionship. As society does not protect abuse victims, and the abuse left them triggered from their own body - the only way they saw to escape was to remove their gender. They are no longer a target, if they no longer have any gender.

The next step should be to give everyone rights over their own body. Not force anyone else to carry a rapists child. Not force anyone to carry rapist scars. Not deny any consenting adults the family of their choice.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

*Mod edit*
It appears that my anti-religious sentiment was too strident. I came back to find 2 other forums that have been renting headspace, and found this thread. Now: I'm about to drop bombshells. Ready? This is an excerpt from a book I am writing:

I am a pedophile. Being a pedophile does not mean one will become a child molester. Being a child molester does not mean one is a pedophile. This distinction will be covered in some detail.

I am also an Exclusive pedophile. Most other pedophiles are not. When I was asked by someone what it means to be an exclusive pedophile, I answered: “You poopoo head grownups are yucky. You got skin like leather, all that scratchy hair, you sweat, you leak, and you smell funny. Yuck”.

I was conceived out of an incestual rape. As a young child, I was fondled, was presented with pornography, and watched the ongoing abuse of my Momma. During my teen years, I molested children and went to prison. In prison, I learned the “Avoidance” model of sex offender treatment; then lived it religiously for many years while on parole. The “Avoidance” model stresses the cycle of abuse and avoiding any situation where children were involved or that there is an appearance that the situation can go south. Living it to the extremes in which I lived left me in a state of shame and fear, and left me with no life. I made a decision to loosen the grip of this model and open my life up to the world around me; including to children. This was a terrifying step and in making this transition, I located and reached out to the non-offending pedophile population. I wanted to know what they knew that I didn’t. I learned how they, without the benefit of the “Avoidance” model, lived their lives free of ever touching a child; and I emulated what they did. I then became involved in an organization that seeks to prevent childhood sexual abuse by finding pedophiles who may be at risk of harming children and matching them with therapists.

I am over 50. Pedophilia, sexual abuse and child molestation has inundated my life. I have over 50 years of observing and experiencing these issues from many points of view. I believe that my long experience qualifies me to speak on these matters; but you, the reader, will ultimately decide.

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I'm seeing a lot of bad information right off the gitgo, from the first 2 or 3 posts.

1. Conflating Pedophilia with Child Molestation. Pedophilia is not something that people "do". It is an attraction. Someone who touches a child is not being a "peodphile". They are being a Criminal, a Sex Offender and a Child Molester.

2. Research on pedophiles is difficult because we (especially the non-offender) hide from a society that is hostile towards us; including towards those who have done no wrong. Available research indicates that 4% to 20% of pedophiles actually offend.

3. Upwards of 60% of offenders against children aren't even podophiles as they lack the diagnostic criteria to be diagnosed as such. These are often referred to as "situational offenders" or "regressed pedophiles".

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[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Spending less than 2 years is egregious. Touching children is an heinous act of betrayal and abuse. I did my time; they can do theirs. I spent 30 in the system: 12 in prison and 18 on parole.

It is odd as I just wrote, for my book, a rant about the Maniacal Mob complaining that offenders of this nature aren't getting enough time. I wrote it off as a myth. I just mentored a guy through a military who received 17 years, minimum, for fondling children. I'll have to recheck my rant in light of this evidence which I had yet to discover.

What the article indicates is ridiculous and unjust. I am too biased to make a fair determination on the 17 year mark.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Whether or not pedophilia is an "orientation" depends solely on how one defines "orientation". It's a semantics game. Because people are "offended" by "orientation", and i don't like being called "diseased" or "disordered" (which are also imprecisely defined by the psychiatric community, often arbitrary or another game of semantics), I choose to use the word "sexual predilection".

All available evidence indicates, however, that it is, indeed, an inborn trait; with most recent research performed by Dr. James Cantor, which showed differences brain structure and brainwaves. It does not seem to run in families and it does not seem to be genetic; but it is, nonetheless, inborn.

Keep in mind when I say this that I am discussing the attraction and not the behavior. All things being equal, behavior is a choice.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

There are certain crimes for which the world would objectively become a better place if the criminals committing them were no longer among the living.

Some cultures understand that.

Research indicates that the harsher the penalties, the less they are reported; and the more violent the offender becomes towards the victim. Recidivism rates for the United States for sex crimes against children range from 1% to 15% (depending on which study and state); not only are sex offenders against children less likely to commit the same crime, they are statistically less likely to commit ANY crime.

I believe in second chances -- even for this -- but I certainly don't believe in third chances.

Anyway, I digressed. Death penalty for fondling children is an extreme that is opposed to what California has done and is equally egregious, in addition to being barbaric. In fact, as you are advocating death for a certain class of individual, I believe your comment should be reported and deleted -- but we can't have a discourse if your words are muted.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

In the article, the prosecutor is out of line by saying, "they WILL do it again". The statistics I've mentioned above, from the onset of offending behavior by pedophiles, and the empirically demonstrated recidivism rate, contradict this statement.

Some will. Most won't.

Our prosecutor is fearmongering, which is counterproductive to finding working solutions to these issues.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In the article, the prosecutor is out of line by saying, "they WILL do it again". The statistics I've mentioned above, from the onset of offending behavior by pedophiles, and the empirically demonstrated recidivism rate, contradict this statement.

Some will. Most won't.

Our prosecutor is fearmongering, which is counterproductive to finding working solutions to these issues.

Before the onslaught of attacks, you mentioned a rather low recidivism rate. Do you have evidence for that available?

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Hi, @Saint Frankenstein

Your comment in another topic is one of the things that has rented headspace with me for a while. You encountered a group of "non-offending pedophiles" in comment sections unrelated to this forum. After you interacted with them, you made the statement, "I am THROUGH with non-offending pedophiles!" I have a really good idea what you encountered and I empathize with you.

The pedophile population divides itself into 2 camps: "Non-Contact" and "Pro-Contact".

The Non-contact holds pro-social views to being sexual with children: That this behavior is inherently harmful to the child, that children can not give informed consent and that this is a crime and should be regarded and treated as such.

The Pro-Contact, however, holds shocking and ridiculous views. They believe that this behavior is not inherently harmful to the child (provided the child consents), that children can give informed consent, and that this should not be considered a crime and society should change its laws and views to permit said activity.

The two camps do not get along. The pro views the non as self-loathing, tortured souls who are selling out to reflect the public narrative in order to obtain acceptance. The non-contact views the pro as immoral, delusional, destructive, self-serving and dangerous.

It should be obvious by now that I am stridently non-contact.

The former offender (like myself) tends to be vocal on the internet because we have already been outed and pretty much lost everything we're going to lose. The non-offender hides; as to reveal that they have this attraction can bring dire consequences to their lives, even if they do nothing wrong. The pro-contacts are a fringe belief system (even among the pedophile population) and as with any fringe belief system, they are fanatical and emboldened.

This means that we hear from the former offender and the pro-contact on the internet, while the non-contact non-offender remains silent. This helps to paint a picture to the public that all pedophiles are offenders or will become so.

I do not blame you for your attitude -- especially after encountering these deranged pro-contacts. But I have wanted to throw this information your way for quite some time; that the pro-contacts you encountered are a minority of the pedophile population.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Before the onslaught of attacks, you mentioned a rather low recidivism rate. Do you have evidence for that available?

Recidivism and Child Molesters).
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/misunderstood-crimes/
Secret behind Deregistration | Texas Sex Offender DeRegistration

I am not here to be attacked. I am here to express opinions and give facts. I did my time and have participated in several rehabilitation methods; and I now seek to find podophiles who are struggling to prevent this from occurring that they do not harm children.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Recidivism and Child Molesters).
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/misunderstood-crimes/
Secret behind Deregistration | Texas Sex Offender DeRegistration

I am not here to be attacked. I am here to express opinions and give facts. I did my time and have participated in several rehabilitation methods; and I now seek to find podophiles who are struggling to prevent this from occurring that they do not harm children.

But there will be attacks. And recognizing that paedophilia harms children may be the main reason that you have not reoffended.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Pedophilia does not harm children.
Child molestation harms children.

I am not afraid of attacks. However, I have memory of getting along well with you, specifically, in these forums and I'd find it uncomfortable to be attacked by you.

You are insightful in "harms children may be the main reason that you have not offended". This validation is received and truly appreciated.

In my early childhood, I observed the ongoing abuse of my Momma. I believe that this desensitized and normalized this kind of behavior for me. I truly believe that when I was doing these atrocious acts, I did not comprehend the depths of the wounds I was truly inflicting. It's something that I, as well as those who were harmed, live with. It's terribly tragic and sad.

My criminal record is 35 years ago. There are more resources available now for people like me that I wish were available then.

But I'm digressing.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

In the future their will be no criminals. Rape, murder, child molestation, theft, etc will all be considered a mental illness. IMO thats seems where its all headed

Why must these two be mutually exclusive?

Listen; I committed a crime and I hurt people. As a result, punishment and incarceration was justified. I am -- or was -- by definition, a "criminal" and deserved to be regarded and treated as such.

At the same time: Touching a child is not a rational behavior, thus it stands to reason that my mind was not rational at the time I committed these atrocities. As one person put it, and I shamelessly steal their quote: "I am tired of people viewing sex offenders as right-thinking people out doing perverted things".

It is flabbergasting to me that people think that if it's a "mental illness" then they should be treated and not punished for bad behavior; but if it's criminal conduct, it's a rational choice and not a mental illness.

I don't see why we must either "treat the illness" or "punish the crime". To me, it seems that both are warranted and both are necessary. If you punish the crime and not make an attempt to address the underlying mental illness, then there can be no intrinsic change; the criminal may refrain from future bad behavior, but doing so under these circumstances is entirely self-serving.

If you treat the illness and not punish the crime, then that gives the criminal license to lapse.

I don't understand, can never understand, why so many people seem to think that it must be one way or the other. Harmful behavior is necessarily punished; and the underlying mental illness that led to the bad behavior is necessarily treated.

 

[Revoltingest]

I once had a convicted child molester (out of prison,
of course) apply to rent an apartment. There were
legal prohibitions against his living certain buildings.
The one I managed was OK. We had a rather cringie
discussion of his offense (against his own daughter).
But I leased the unit to him. He was going to live
somewhere, & at least this arrangement was legal
& above board.
We need to be thoughtful & practical. I loathe this
"Kill'm all !!" attitude. Life is complicated.
I've even rented to socialists.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Good, then perhaps we could put more effort into rehabilitation instead of punishment and execution.

The organization I am with focuses on prevention; helping them find help and support before it gets that far.

Hm, interesting. Do you think homosexual, heterosexual and bisexual people are born that way or does this apply to them as well?

Evidence indicates it is an inborn trait.

They are probably all running to Subway and will organize a free Jared campaign.

Jared acted out against pubescents. He is a sex offender and a criminal; but he is not a pedophile, as pedophilia refers to attractions towards prepubescents children.

I saw a story last month where Jared says he “hates” his life In prison.
He should have stuck with subway and left the kids alone.

That's the whole point of prison. I am disappointed that Jared did not reach out for help that is available: B4U-Act, Association for Sexual Abuse Prevention, StopItNow, Safer Society, Global Prevention Project; the list goes on.

Basically, I see no reason to believe that anyone comes out of the womb wired to want to have sex with children. It's an aberration, and seems to usually be caused by the person being abused themselves or an anti-social/sadistic disorder. Pedophilia makes zero sense to have evolved like a normal sexual attractions because there's no benefit to it to the individual or to communities from it. We know it causes severe psychological damage to the child, even if they're told it's acceptable.

You're conflating sexual attraction with sexual behavior. Pedophilia isn't something that people "do".

Pedophilia doesn't cause damage and trauma to children. Child molestation does.

The work of Dr. James Cantor has shown differences in brainwave patterns; the nurturing centers crosswired with the erotic centers, so that when the nurturing centers of the brain were fired, so were the erotic centers. If this pans out to be true, then it is, indeed, hardwired and inborn; not chosen.

I agree that there are factors, such as childhood sexual abuse and other disorders that can greatly increase the propensity to act out; pass on the cycle of abuse. But the attraciton itself is not found in either genetics or environment.

You are making a choice every minute of the day of who you want to be. We're not robots, we're conscious beings with ideals, perceptions of self, goals and volition. We can't choose the cards were dealt, but we can choose how to play them. If you wish to view yourself as on the level of an automaton, that's your business, but don't think we're all at that level.

I'm not concerned with "helping" convicted rapists. They've made their choice. I believe in justice. You so violate someone's dignity and integrity, break them as a person and destroy someone's life as tends to happen with rape victims, you've forfeited your right to be here. Some people are just monsters and can never be rehabilitated. I don't view life in prison as some mercy, anyway.

This why those who were desperate to be straight ran to reparative therapy and came out the other side straight; because we can choose. Frank, you already know that your argument is fallacious.

All things being equal, behavior is chosen. Attractions are not.

For chosen behavior, there must be consequences; so I have a certain agreement with you in that there "must be justice". I find that less important than prevention; but I agree that if someone commits a harmful and unlawful act, there should be consequences.

I happen to believe, however, that people can change; that there is a time for mercy and redemption.

 

[Revoltingest]

Jared acted out against pubescents. He is a sex offender and a criminal; but he is not a pedophile, as pedophilia refers to attractions towards prepubescents children.

Ephebophilia

A couple famous ones...

 

[Mock Turtle]

Whether or not pedophilia is an "orientation" depends solely on how one defines "orientation". It's a semantics game. Because people are "offended" by "orientation", and i don't like being called "diseased" or "disordered" (which are also imprecisely defined by the psychiatric community, often arbitrary or another game of semantics), I choose to use the word "sexual predilection".

All available evidence indicates, however, that it is, indeed, an inborn trait; with most recent research performed by Dr. James Cantor, which showed differences brain structure and brainwaves. It does not seem to run in families and it does not seem to be genetic; but it is, nonetheless, inborn.

Keep in mind when I say this that I am discussing the attraction and not the behavior. All things being equal, behavior is a choice.

From what I have read, and from Cantor's presentation of this issue, there still could be the possibility of the brain changes occurring after any paedophilic attraction has taken hold or after any early experiences which might have caused such. Perhaps there are some studies of brain structures from birth to an age when paedophila might be shown to exist but I have not come across any, and undoubtedly this would make scientific news. Hence why I still can't accept that paedophilia is definitely an orientation or something genetic, particularly when our early experiences might just affect us so as to produce such an attraction. And your own experiences as a child might support this.

PS And the way a taxi-driver's brain alters after having to remember so much information might support the view that brain changes might occur after rather than causing any such attraction - although the changes will occur in a different region of the brain or in different structures presumably. Given that the brain can change up until the early 20s - or even later.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

I appreciate not being "assaulted" -- which I expected to have happen.

James Cantor
@JamesCantorPhD
·Jan 10, 2022
“The evidence suggests it is inborn. It's neurological," said James Cantor, a clinical psychologist, sex researcher and former editor-in-chief of the journal "Sexual Abuse: A Journal of Research and Treatment.”

It is appreciated by the most of the population that there are people out here who do try to understand us. So thank you.

During my helpline calls via my organization or in forums, some pedophiles sometimes get hung up on "why" we are the way that we are or how pedophilia is or should be classified.

I tell them it doesn't matter; not one little bit does it matter. I tell them what matters is: "You got it; now what are you going to DO about it?"

(haven't taken calls in a long time -- miss it -- my work hours won't permit it, no time)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The work of Dr. James Cantor has shown differences in brainwave patterns; the nurturing centers crosswired with the erotic centers, so that when the nurturing centers of the brain were fired, so were the erotic centers. If this pans out to be true, then it is, indeed, hardwired and inborn; not chosen.

That's not proof that it's inborn. For example, I have borderline personality disorder and people with BPD have neurological differences from the norm in parts of the brain and it's function. You find this with many mental health problems. But you're not born with BPD. It's caused by traumatic abuse, abandonment and neglect in childhood.

This why those who were desperate to be straight ran to reparative therapy and came out the other side straight; because we can choose. Frank, you already know that your argument is fallacious.

All things being equal, behavior is chosen. Attractions are not.

For chosen behavior, there must be consequences; so I have a certain agreement with you in that there "must be justice". I find that less important than prevention; but I agree that if someone commits a harmful and unlawful act, there should be consequences.

I happen to believe, however, that people can change; that there is a time for mercy and redemption.

Hmm? Are you saying you believe we can consciously change our attractions? Reparative therapy is known to be a failure, at least with homosexuals, by and by large. I don't actually know much about efforts to change the target age of attraction in pedophiles, though, so I can't comment on that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hmm? Are you saying you believe we can consciously change our attractions? Reparative therapy is known to be a failure, at least with homosexuals, by and by large. I don't actually know much about efforts to change the target age of attraction in pedophiles, though, so I can't comment on that.

I think that he is saying that there are ways to overcome one's desires. And yes, reparative theory does fail quite often, but they do not have much of a choice. In the past homosexuals faced many of the same problems that pedophiles face The difference is that there can be informed consent between two gay people. There can't be informed consent between pedophiles and whom they are attracted to. So avoidance of some sort is the only "cure".