Tired of being called a sinner?

[McBell]

the Good book tells us we all are and that we should not be the judges of others sin,

Really?
Where?

 

[challupa]

If anyone calls you a sinner, simply fire it straight back at them, the Good book tells us we all are and that we should not be the judges of others sin, I assume it was a Christian/s that said it, just tell em they should know better.

Thank you, although I know they are trying to "save" me out of love. It just doesn't feel very loving. I could never call them a sinner though because it is my belief that no one is a sinner. They are Christian and I am not. Most of the time we agree to disagree, but sometimes the temptation gets too much for them and ...

 

[Magic Man]

I mean wouldn’t you rather someone tell you what you are doing wrong, rather than continue to walk around in front of everyone with … your fly open so to speak?

The problem is that then you're telling others how to be your version of a better person. I don't consider homosexuality bad, so if I was gay, I wouldn't want someone telling me I'm a sinner for doing that. Plus, there's a a huge difference between telling someone what they did wrong and calling them a sinner.

It's common knowledge that having your fly down in public is embarrassing for almost everyone. So, it's not bad to let someone know that. That's quite a bit different from telling someone they're a sinner because they masterbate, though. Telling someone they're a sinner is judging them. It would be more like "You're so stupid, you left your fly down".

 

[idea]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainBritain
the Good book tells us we all are and that we should not be the judges of others sin,

Really?
Where?

1 JUDGE not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
(New Testament | Matthew 7:1 - 2)

Should be:
Judge not unrighteously,
(New Testament:Matthew 7:1)

Of course everyone has to judge things/others/themselves. Just don't be unjust, unrighteous, or a hypocrite about it.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
(New Testament | Matthew 7:3 - 5)

 

[CaptainBritain]

Really?
Where?

Is this a joke?

Some of the most often quoted scriptures,

Judge not lest ye be judged,

Let he who is without sin etc

Go to Biblegateway use the word search and type in the word judge, many relevant scriptures pop up.

The fact we are all sinners is pretty much the basis for the whole book.
And Christians are no exceptions, it mean every single one of us, if you ever looked at another mans wife and thought "nice rack" it means you, and that accounts for most the males here, me included.

 

[idea]

The problem is that then you're telling others how to be your version of a better person. I don't consider homosexuality bad, so if I was gay, I wouldn't want someone telling me I'm a sinner for doing that. Plus, there's a a huge difference between telling someone what they did wrong and calling them a sinner.

It's common knowledge that having your fly down in public is embarrassing for almost everyone. So, it's not bad to let someone know that.

Personally, I don't share my sexual life with anyone but the person I have sex with . I would appreciate it if others did the same.

If someone tells me that they are masterbating / homosexual / heterosexual - I would think they were perverts, sorry. If they are obsessing over it, talking to everyone about it, they have probs. Do what you want behind closed doors, but please, don't come out of the closet with it in front of me :yes: Too much info people.

That's quite a bit different from telling someone they're a sinner because they masterbate, though. Telling someone they're a sinner is judging them. It would be more like "You're so stupid, you left your fly down".

You should not have to tell people "they're a sinner because they masterbate". Hopfully they would not let you know about that...

 

[Sunstone]

I don’t see what is so bad about people telling you your faults. I mean if you are walking around with your fly open, you want someone to tell you right? Personally I want to improve myself, if someone points out some way I can be a better person, I am going to listen and act on that. I mean what reason is there to go on living as a “sinner” or rude (sometimes you don’t realize what you are doing), or closed minded, or boring, or disloyal, or gossipy, or ….I mean wouldn’t you rather someone tell you what you are doing wrong, rather than continue to walk around in front of everyone with … your fly open so to speak?

If someone points out something to you say “Oh – I’m sorry, thank you for pointing that out. I’ll try to be better.” And then try to be better.


We all want to be better people right?



Why not learn from one another... rather than just "tolerate" one another?

It's not so simple, Idea. It's a matter of who you can trust to tell you the truth. I happen to believe Christians are wrong about "sin". So far as I can see, there is no such thing as "sin". So, as I see it, a Christian who tells me I'm a "sinner" is no more helpful than someone who tells me I want to buy a Ford Taurus. Neither statement has any truth to it.

 

[CaptainBritain]

1JUDGE not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
(New Testament | Matthew7:1 - 2)

Should be:
Judge not unrighteously,
(New Testament:Matthew7:1)

Of course everyone has to judge things/others/themselves. Just don't be unjust, unrighteous, or a hypocrite about it.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
(New Testament | Matthew7:3 - 5)

exactly and a Christian has to admit to being a sinner, it is required.
so to turn to a none Christian and call them a sinner is pot calling the kettle black territory.

 

[Storm]

If someone tells me that they are masterbating / homosexual / heterosexual - I would think they were perverts, sorry. If they are obsessing over it, talking to everyone about it, they have probs. Do what you want behind closed doors, but please, don't come out of the closet with it in front of me :yes: Too much info people.

Queers come out of the closet to be honest about our identities, not to talk sex with you. Maybe you're the obsessed pervert, since you think it's all about sex.

 

[idea]

Is this a joke?

Some of the most often quoted scriptures,

Judge not lest ye be judged,

Let he who is without sin etc

Go to Biblegateway use the word search and type in the word judge, many relevant scriptures pop up.

The fact we are all sinners is pretty much the basis for the whole book.
And Christians are no exceptions, it mean every single one of us, if you ever looked at another mans wife and thought "nice rack" it means you, and that accounts for most the males here, me included.

So... do you think that no one should judge anyone else? or would you agree with my previous post - judge - just do it justly, without being a hypocrite...

 

[Magic Man]

Personally, I don't share my sexual life with anyone but the person I have sex with . I would appreciate it if others did the same.

If someone tells me that they are masterbating / homosexual / heterosexual - I would think they were perverts, sorry. If they are obsessing over it, talking to everyone about it, they have probs. Do what you want behind closed doors, but please, don't come out of the closet with it in front of me :yes: Too much info people.

Um...it was an example. As far as being gay is concerned, it could just be that someone sees a gay couple kissing, or that the gay person is acquaintances with the person who calls them a sinner. There are plenty of situations where sexuality and masterbation could come up.

The point was that I have no need for someone to tell me I'm a sinner for something like being gay (assuming, of course, I was gay) because I don't share their views on that subject. So, I'd rather they just keep it to themselves. There are plenty of other things, though, too, like not going to church, not believing in God, using cuss words, getting angry...I could go on, but I'll leave it at that. The point is that many things you might consider sins, others don't, even if those others believe in sin. And if they don't believe in sin (like me), then it's really unnecessary.

 

[idea]

so to turn to a none Christian and call them a sinner is pot calling the kettle black territory.

we all have different sins though. Person x might have problem x that you don't have, you have prob y that they do not have. So they can tell you about y, and you tell them about x, and then everyone learns and hopefully everyone gets over all the xyz's.

 

[idea]

There are plenty of situations where ...masterbation could come up.

LOL! I'm sorry, I just don't see a situation where masterbation would just "come up"... Please, don't elaborate :ignore:

 

[CaptainBritain]

So... do you think that no one should judge anyone else? or would you agree with my previous post - judge - just do it justly, without being a hypocrite...

I do agree, God has the last word on sin and no other.

Ofcourse we have to have judges ie lock away the killers etc, but the Bible has no probs with that,

but calling another person a sinner is a bit like telling that person he is breathing.

 

[CaptainBritain]

we all have different sins though. Person x might have problem x that you don't have, you have prob y that they do not have. So they can tell you about y, and you tell them about x, and then everyone learns and hopefully everyone gets over all the xyz's.

offering help to another with a problem is Christian and I agree, but shouting sinner at him is not imho.

ie if a man has a vice or folly that does him no good help him, dont judge him.

 

[Magic Man]

LOL! I'm sorry, I just don't see a situation where masterbation would just "come up"... Please, don't elaborate :ignore:

No, that's fine. I guess I assumed you were here for discussion, but it seems I was mistaken. Any time you want to actually discuss the issue instead of keying in on the irrelevant details, I'd be glad to continue.

 

[idea]

offering help to another with a problem is Christian and I agree, but shouting sinner at him is not imho.
ie if a man has a vice or folly that does him no good help him, dont judge him.

Yes yes, tell them, but tell them nicely.

I think the best way of doing it, first admit to them something that you have probs with, then tell them their probs. That way you are telling them "I don't think I am any better than you are, this is just a kindly suggestion, take it or leave it"

No, that's fine. I guess I assumed you were here for discussion, but it seems I was mistaken. Any time you want to actually discuss the issue instead of keying in on the irrelevant details, I'd be glad to continue.

OK OK – so my x is: I’m too opinionated, and I’m not discrete enough about sensitive subjects.

Your Y is – your too easily offended.

May all of us vile sinners repent and become better people.

 

[challupa]

So... do you think that no one should judge anyone else? or would you agree with my previous post - judge - just do it justly, without being a hypocrite...

And just how do you propose to judge others justly without being a hypocrite when each of us is very unique?

 

[DarkMaster24]

Queers come out of the closet to be honest about our identities, not to talk sex with you. Maybe you're the obsessed pervert, since you think it's all about sex.

True that. I don't think it's ok to discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation when all genetic evidance shows that homosexuality isn't a choice. Even if it was, who cares? People can live their life however they want.

 

[McBell]

True that. I don't think it's ok to discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation when all genetic evidance shows that homosexuality isn't a choice. Even if it was, who cares? People can live their life however they want.

So when is it ok to discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation?