Tired of being called a sinner?

[DarkMaster24]

So when is it ok to discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation?

Never. I'm not one to castigate anyone for who they get in bed with. I don't think it's anyone's buisness what people do in their sex lives.

 

[Know the Truth]

Never. I'm not one to castigate anyone for who they get in bed with. I don't think it's anyone's buisness what people do in their sex lives.

We are to love everyhuman being on the planet. But tell me....... how do we best assess the value of your opinions? How would we determine if they were better, say, than those of Mahmud Amadinijab?

 

[idea]

So when is it ok to discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation?

never

so... If their sexual orientation is to molest young children, or if they are rapists - if that kind of thing "naturally" turns them on... we should just sit back and tolerate it?

hmmmmm

I guess I am just an intolerant bigot....

unlike others... North American Man/Boy Love Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[idea]

I don't think it's anyone's buisness what people do in their sex lives.

Exactly - keep it in the closet people. No one needs to know about it.

 

[idea]

And just how do you propose to judge others justly without being a hypocrite when each of us is very unique?

We all have strengths and weaknesses. We are allowed to judge others in areas where we are strong.

Can a math teacher with a PhD "judge" the math test of their students who do not have a PhD? YES. Someone who does not know math, they don't get to grade math papers. If you know math - you get to grade others on their math.

 

[McBell]

I guess I am just an intolerant bigot....

You forgot "ignorant":
APA Help Center - Health & Emotional Wellness - "Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality"

 

[Magic Man]

so... If their sexual orientation is to molest young children, or if they are rapists - if that kind of thing "naturally" turns them on... we should just sit back and tolerate it?

hmmmmm

I guess I am just an intolerant bigot....

unlike others... North American Man/Boy Love Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nice try, but that's not exactly a sexual orientation, and you know it. You're stretching.

Exactly - keep it in the closet people. No one needs to know about it.

So, nobody knows that you're heterosexual? I'm betting most people that know you know that about you. How do they know that?

 

[McBell]

We all have strengths and weaknesses. We are allowed to judge others in areas where we are strong.

Can a math teacher with a PhD "judge" the math test of their students who do not have a PhD? YES. Someone who does not know math, they don't get to grade math papers. If you know math - you get to grade others on their math.

So you are an expert on homosexuality?

I find that extremely hard to believe given your major blunder in post #283

 

[idea]

Nice try, but that's not exactly a sexual orientation, and you know it. You're stretching.

sexual orientation is defined as: an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions. Also refers to an individual’s sense of personal and social identity based on those attractions, behaviors expressing them, and membership in a community of others who share them...

so, if someone has a "pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions" to xyz, that would mean that their "sexual orientation" is to "xyz".

So, nobody knows that you're heterosexual? I'm betting most people that know you know that about you. How do they know that?

It is not a topic of conversation. Usually we talk about how our kids are doing, hobbies, sales going on, events, news... honestly, it does not come up in conversations I have.

 

[idea]

So you are an expert on homosexuality?

I find that extremely hard to believe given your major blunder in post #283

No, nor do I care to be. I do not share my sexuality with others and I expect others to do the same with me.

hypocrite: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

My actions (not sharing things) are in accordance with my beliefs.

 

[McBell]

I do not share my sexuality with others and I expect others to do the same with me.

What does this have to do with being an expert on homosexuality?

 

[Magic Man]

sexual orientation is defined as: an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions. Also refers to an individual’s sense of personal and social identity based on those attractions, behaviors expressing them, and membership in a community of others who share them...

so, if someone has a "pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions" to xyz, that would mean that their "sexual orientation" is to "xyz".

Look, I know that you know that that is stretching it a bit to try to make a point. We both know that when people are talking about sexual orientation, it's about whether they like men or women or both. Even if you want to get technical, that was clearly what the poster was talking about that you responded to.

It is not a topic of conversation. Usually we talk about how our kids are doing, hobbies, sales going on, events, news... honestly, it does not come up in conversations I have.

I didn't say it was a topic of conversation. You're dodging yet again. I guarantee that most of the people who know you know that you're heterosexual. They know that the same way people know other people are gay.

 

[idea]

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Originally Posted by idea
I do not share my sexuality with others and I expect others to do the same with me.

What does this have to do with being an expert on homosexuality?

I never claimed to be an expert, everyone seems to be upset because I said "I don't want to hear about it" - that is all I said - "I don't want to hear about it. That is all I said, so that is all I will address.

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Question: are people offended by others even if that other person does not call them anything? (well, they did not “call” me anything, but I know they are thinking it, and looking down their nose at me etc. etc.) Suggestion - you don't know what anyone else is thinking. Some people are sooo accusative. It does not matter what you do or say, they are going to hate you and think the worst of you.

Like someone who dropped out of HS talking with another who went to college. The dropout feels bad about being a drop out,
so they automatically start thinking bad things about their friend with the PhD (they don’t say anything but I know they think I am an idiot etc.etc.) The person with the degree DID NOTHING WRONG probably DID NOT THINK THEY WERE AN IDIOT and yet the dropout is offended NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT THE EDUCATED PERSON DOES/THINKS BUT BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN ACTIONS. If the dropout feels uncomfortable around others who are not dropouts, that is their problem, not the problem of the person with the degree. Their problems come from be insecure, not from being put down by others.

People with issues get all accusative and point fingers at everyone else because anything is better than pointing the finger at themselves.

 

[Magic Man]

I never claimed to be an expert, everyone seems to be upset because I said "I don't want to hear about it" - that is all I said - "I don't want to hear about it. That is all I said, so that is all I will address.

I'm not upset about that. I'm just trying to get through to you that it makes no difference whether or not you want to hear about it. There are ways you can find out without you being nosy and without the other person giving too much information. That was the point behind my comments about people knowing you're heterosexual. I'm sure you don't make it a point to make it clear to everyone you know that you're heterosexual, and yet I guarantee they know it.

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Question: are people offended by others even if that other person does not call them anything? (well, they did not “call” me anything, but I know they are thinking it, and looking down their nose at me etc. etc.) Suggestion - you don't know what anyone else is thinking. Some people are sooo accusative. It does not matter what you do or say, they are going to hate you and think the worst of you.

Like someone who dropped out of HS talking with another who went to college. The dropout feels bad about being a drop out,
so they automatically start thinking bad things about their friend with the PhD (they don’t say anything but I know they think I am an idiot etc.etc.) The person with the degree DID NOTHING WRONG probably DID NOT THINK THEY WERE AN IDIOT and yet the dropout is offended NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT THE EDUCATED PERSON DOES/THINKS BUT BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN ACTIONS. If the dropout feels uncomfortable around others who are not dropouts, that is their problem, not the problem of the person with the degree. Their problems come from be insecure, not from being put down by others.

People with issues get all accusative and point fingers at everyone else because anything is better than pointing the finger at themselves.

What does this have to do with anything?

 

[idea]

I'm not upset about that. I'm just trying to get through to you that it makes no difference whether or not you want to hear about it. There are ways you can find out without you being nosy and without the other person giving too much information. That was the point behind my comments about people knowing you're heterosexual. I'm sure you don't make it a point to make it clear to everyone you know that you're heterosexual, and yet I guarantee they know it.

What I said was

Personally, I don't share my sexual life with anyone but the person I have sex with . I would appreciate it if others did the same.

If someone tells me that they are masterbating / homosexual / heterosexual - I would think they were perverts, sorry. If they are obsessing over it, talking to everyone about it, they have probs. Do what you want behind closed doors, but please, don't come out of the closet with it in front of me :yes: Too much info people.

I don't like people "obsessing over it." I don't feel uncomfortable around anyone - hetero or homo - unless they start obsessing over it, overly talking about, at which point I wonder why they feel the need to start sharing too much info with me.

What does this have to do with anything?

I think most people who are "tired of being called sinners" are not really being called sinners by anyone. It is all in their insecure accusative overly sensitive little heads.

 

[Magic Man]

What I said was


I don't like people "obsessing over it." I don't feel uncomfortable around anyone - hetero or homo - unless they start obsessing over it, overly talking about, at which point I wonder why they feel the need to start sharing too much info with me.

So, the fact that they're homosexual is not too much info? Then why did you say you wanted them to keep that to themselves?

I think most people who are "tired of being called sinners" are not really being called sinners by anyone. It is all in their insecure accusative overly sensitive little heads.

While that might be true in some cases, saying it's true in the majority of cases is wrong, and apparently comes from your insecure, accusative, ignorant little head. I wouldn't expect you to see that, though, since that would mean opening up to seeing reality.

 

[challupa]

Idea, there are people that come right out and say other people are sinners. It has happened a few times on this thread also. You yourself think it's alright to "correct" people when they don't share you're point of view. You asked me why I would be offended by someone telling me my faults and asked why I wouldn't want to become a better person. I don't have a problem with people mentioning my faults, but being called a sinner is a whole new category. That would mean that you have decided that I should believe there is a personal and judgmental god and that I could actually sin. That believe is a very personal one on your part. Therefore it is never alright to call someone a sinner or point out that they may go to hell if they don't change their ways, no matter how you sugar coat it imo.

 

[Know the Truth]

Idea, there are people that come right out and say other people are sinners. It has happened a few times on this thread also. You yourself think it's alright to "correct" people when they don't share you're point of view. You asked me why I would be offended by someone telling me my faults and asked why I wouldn't want to become a better person. I don't have a problem with people mentioning my faults, but being called a sinner is a whole new category. That would mean that you have decided that I should believe there is a personal and judgmental god and that I could actually sin. That believe is a very personal one on your part. Therefore it is never alright to call someone a sinner or point out that they may go to hell if they don't change their ways, no matter how you sugar coat it imo.

The writers of Scripture aren't afraid to do it (call people 'sinners', that is), and they include themselves in the group!

 

[J Bryson]

Gerp!

Now, now, there's a time and a place.

 

[challupa]

The writers of Scripture aren't afraid to do it (call people 'sinners', that is), and they include themselves in the group!

That does not make it right, just common.