To Be or Not To Be: your gender (Vivek R.)

[Argentbear]

I find this interview to be honest and factual. Peterson is an expert interviewer that asks great questions.

The reality that Europe has already backtracked their positions

That is not exactly true. In great Britton for example when the Cass Report first came out gender affirming care was all but wiped out but since then serious questions about the report and it's findings as well as a massive rise in suicidal behavior in young trans people prompted a return to gender affirming care model they did away with. The National Health System has replaced the "gender clinic" model with a new service model that focuses on holistic care and support. The NHS will provide psychosocial and psychological support, puberty blockers and gender-affirming hormones in the teen years and surgery is available later in adulthood. The NHS will only commission gender-affirming hormones (GAH) therapy for young people who meet eligibility and readiness criteria. THe criteria is the very same one the Cass report claimed was unfounded in research. Turns out there is a great deal of research supporting it

and, here in the US, the current laws that are now addressing this issue only confirms the reality that many hospitals are simply interested in money and experimentation.

Well that is just more bull. State legislations in conservatives controlled states have passes a pile of laws based on political ideology and not best practice. Some of the laws include prosecuting parents who seek out psychiatric and medical consultation with charges of child abuse and some have passed laws making it legal for ANY medical professional to refuse to care for any trans person or child.

Statistically, most youth and children grow out of the “identity” crisis. Quite normal.

More bull i am afraid. what you are talking about is junk science created by recognized hate groups like the American College of Pediatrics. One of the more infamous fake studies they published interviewed adults who had been prescribed puberty blockers as children and found that 90% of them were not transgender. However 90% of puberty blockers are prescribed for the medical condition precocious puberty, puberty starting in early childhood at age 5 or 6. Its not surprising that 90% of the adults surveyed were no longer trans because they never were in the first place

Sterilization and mutilation of children is obviously wrong.

it is and that is why it isn't done despite many claims by conservatives.

Reactions to this truth if you confront it?

Always... attack, name calling, labeling and even authoritarian force.

yep that is pretty much what you did here

Thankful that whistleblowers continue to expose truth.

Dr. Eithan Haim isn't a whistle blower he broke into sealed records at a hospital he doesn't work at and altered records and then gave them to a right wing "journalist"

 

[Argentbear]

If you look at the theory of evolution, it involves natural selection and sexual reproduction to pass forward DNA. The DNA allows the advantage to move to the future. Conceptually, these dysphoria conditions, interfere with evolution, in the sense they eliminate the 2nd half or the reproductive ability to complete the evolutionary puzzle. That cannot be natural, unless the theory of evolution is wrong. Maybe those who work hard to support evolution can do the math for us.

Most individuals of a species don't pass on their DNA to the next generation. Only the alpha male and female of a wolf pack ever mate for example, the rest of the pack acts as caregivers to the wolf pups

You cannot have it both ways, which is common to the DNC. If a boy decided to become a girl; drugs and surgery, future reproduction is off the table, until science can game the system, that far. Science is not yet able to do the full game and make that illusion. Also, if it was not for science, to make the drugs and perform the new surgeries needed, this entire option would be a pipe dream; marketing brain wash. Without science, you cannot just undergo willful metamorphosis, in spite of your DNA.

Are we going to pretend that trans people didn't exist before modern medicine?

Gay and Lesbian became popular, before Trans science. They had to accept the physical reality of no metamorphosis. Therefore they adapt to their own physical and psychological reality.; dress up. They can still breed if they choose.

Popular? no Gays and lesbians started standing up to the people who chose to hate and persecute them and their families

To me trans is free market driven. It is a perfect scheme to make long term money; drugs, off the ignorance of young people.

And just who is making all this money?

Teachers had to sneak around behind parent's backs, since parents do not want the risk or the long term bill. Europe, which started this fad, is moving away, since the long term effect is not that bright. Children easily can get sucked into this fad and then latter in life, have regrets.

Schools are performing sex change operations during recess?

It is like getting a tattoo of you ex. After you separate, the tattoo starts to work against you, undermining moving forward. Be part of evolution, instead of unnatural selection, that voids evolution. Or change the Evolutionary theory to suit your needs.

If you look at Creationism, which is different from Evolution, Adam and Eve appear from nothing. They are created and did not evolve. They become the seed for the future of human evolution. This is closer to the medical induced dysphoria, since this fad is quite new and was/is a function of the state of the art in science. It was created by medical business people, because technology had reached a level, where it could be exploited to make money and create high paying jobs. Technology and money is the wild card left out of these discussions. It could not happen without these. It would stay a fantasy.

speaking of fantasies..

 

[Kenny]

That is not exactly true. In great Britton for example when the Cass Report first came out gender affirming care was all but wiped out but since then serious questions about the report and it's findings as well as a massive rise in suicidal behavior in young trans people prompted a return to gender affirming care model they did away with. The National Health System has replaced the "gender clinic" model with a new service model that focuses on holistic care and support. The NHS will provide psychosocial and psychological support, puberty blockers and gender-affirming hormones in the teen years and surgery is available later in adulthood. The NHS will only commission gender-affirming hormones (GAH) therapy for young people who meet eligibility and readiness criteria. THe criteria is the very same one the Cass report claimed was unfounded in research. Turns out there is a great deal of research supporting it

Although Great Britain is part of Europe, it isn’t Europe. Technically, you are correct but I was speaking generally.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-07-12/why-european-countries-are-rethinking-gender-affirming-care-for-minors

Well that is just more bull. State legislations in conservatives controlled states have passes a pile of laws based on political ideology and not best practice. Some of the laws include prosecuting parents who seek out psychiatric and medical consultation with charges of child abuse and some have passed laws making it legal for ANY medical professional to refuse to care for any trans person or child.

Somewhat combative. Not even sure you addressed what I said.

More bull i am afraid. what you are talking about is junk science created by recognized hate groups like the American College of Pediatrics. One of the more infamous fake studies they published interviewed adults who had been prescribed puberty blockers as children and found that 90% of them were not transgender. However 90% of puberty blockers are prescribed for the medical condition precocious puberty, puberty starting in early childhood at age 5 or 6. Its not surprising that 90% of the adults surveyed were no longer trans because they never were in the first place

Highlighted is what I am saying… bullying.

Not sure exactly what you are saying. I’m saying that:

Cross-sex hormones carry side effects including sterility, increased risk of cardiovascular disease, and increased risk of breast and uterus cancers, and other harmful psychoactive effects of high-dose hormones such as mood swings and even psychosis, Laidlaw said.

Study: Effects of puberty-blockers can last a lifetime

Data debunk a common rationale for giving kids transgender treatment

wng.org

yep that is pretty much what you did here

Just making a statement doesn’t make it so. Can you reference it?

 

[Argentbear]

Although Great Britain is part of Europe, it isn’t Europe. Technically, you are correct but I was speaking generally.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-07-12/why-european-countries-are-rethinking-gender-affirming-care-for-minors

and a year later the handful of countries that did so have shifted back to the WPATH standard guidelines

Somewhat combative. Not even sure you addressed what I said.

you said: "US, the current laws that are now addressing this issue only confirms the reality that many hospitals are simply interested in money and experimentation"
and that remains bull. the legislation being passed is largely punitive and geared for publicity not best practice

Highlighted is what I am saying… bullying.

the American College of Pediatrics is a recognized hate group. 'm sorry you don't like that fact but it is

Not sure exactly what you are saying. I’m saying that:

Cross-sex hormones carry side effects including sterility, increased risk of cardiovascular disease, and increased risk of breast and uterus cancers, and other harmful psychoactive effects of high-dose hormones such as mood swings and even psychosis, Laidlaw said.

Study: Effects of puberty-blockers can last a lifetime

Data debunk a common rationale for giving kids transgender treatment

wng.org

your link claims: "But a long-term study by the United Kingdom’s leading facility for treating gender-dysphoric children found otherwise. Contrary to common beliefs about puberty-blocking drugs, the majority of children who take them do not resume puberty."

Here is the study in question:
Short-term outcomes of pubertal suppression in a selected cohort of 12 to 15 year old young people with persistent gender dysphoria in the UK
Polly Carmichael et al. No where does it say children who stop taking puberty blockers don't resume puberty

 

[JustGeorge]

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