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Top Muslim Clerics in Canada Issue Fatwa Denouncing Terrorism

kai

ragamuffin
I would like to know how the US is terrorizing Muslims. And if true, I would support efforts to stop it.

What are you unaware of the Great Satan and its allies colonial ambitions, invading Muslim territory and stealing their oil, and putting their kafir feet on holy ground?
 
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Sahar

Well-Known Member
Any Muslim brave enough to speak out even if it only a local rag should be applauded,from what i have learned from Islam it is no small thing to criticise other Muslims,i agree with Kai though,who's going to take any notice for all the reasons Kai stated.
Huh, as Sajdah pointed out, your ignorant view says that you have learned nothing about Islam.

"And let there be [arising] from you a nation inviting to [all that is] good, enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong, and those will be the successful." َQur'an

There is no bias to any person when he does wrong even if he was Muslim, the believer is biased to good and justice and not afraid to say "this is wrong" when he sees something wrong.
 
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Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
If this catches on, it could be a good first step in westerners being able to take seriously the idea that Islam is a religion of peace.
While today, in international and domestic debates its hard to speak of religions of peace. I do think its healthy to see Islam as a general phenomena as one of the world major and 'legit' religions. its historical role on the world stage is there. as one of the world major and legit religions, I think it should be the duty of normal citizens who are Muslim to express their faith as they know it (which might be indeed a religion of peace to them), and denounce Islamist (as opposed to Islamic) activity and global terrorism. this will keep non Muslims accepting Islam as one of the world legitimate religions. in the modern reality all believers need to come to terms that criticism of religious phenomena which are seen as threatening are going to be there, its better to be opened to criticism, and resist vocal factors who intimidate people who use the accepted platforms in their media when criticizing religion. when Islamic leaders denounce terrorism, Islam emerges triumphant as opposed to when Islamist leaders issue fatwas against journalists, film makers and writers.
 
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Baydwin

Well-Known Member
Great article. Rather than dismissive ridicule, these folks deserve our appreciation and respect.
Hear hear!

atotalstranger said:
If this catches on, it could be a good first step in westerners being able to take seriously the idea that Islam is a religion of peace.
People have a very strange way of looking at Islam. I mean, it's not like people looked at the KKK and took them to be representative of all Christians, but for some reason people look at Al Qaeda et al and see them as representative of all Muslims. Shouldn't the hundreds of millions of perfectly normal, peaceful Muslims across the globe be testament enough that Islam is as peaceful a religion as any other?
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Oh,then perhaps you will enlighten us

Huh, as Sajdah pointed out, your ignorant view says that you have learned nothing about Islam.

Which Islam

"And let there be [arising] from you a nation inviting to [all that is] good, enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong, and those will be the successful." َQur'an

There is no bias to any person when he does wrong even if he was Muslim, the believer is biased to good and justice and not afraid to say "this is wrong" when he sees something wrong.

I think that would depend whether you are talking Islam or Political Islam,Political Islam would'nt have a problem with killing a Muslim Policeman or anyone if he was under Human Government.
 

Harshtotem

Member
What a sick faust- there is no sicker joke than when hypocrits agree- this is totally rubbish news-
a fatwa on terrorism- is that the biggest joke for the year- i think it is
 

dust1n

Zindīq
What a sick faust- there is no sicker joke than when hypocrits agree- this is totally rubbish news-
a fatwa on terrorism- is that the biggest joke for the year- i think it is


It's been almost nine years since the War on Terror started.

Now only does it seem like Muslims in CANADA would be way out of touch with the Muslims in the Middle East, but they are so late in their statement!
 

Harshtotem

Member
I am of a Kingdom "which is not of this world" - but let them know that this war which is really a sad war over money, drugs and every vice man knows will not be religionized we will remember tem as a bunch of murderous dogs that they are- these Terrorist mad men- and they cannot hide behind the mask of Islam and continue t commit these atrocities no their stench has gon up to hgh heavens- and An angel of Destruction is already let loose upon them- SELAH
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
People have a very strange way of looking at Islam. I mean, it's not like people looked at the KKK and took them to be representative of all Christians, but for some reason people look at Al Qaeda et al and see them as representative of all Muslims. Shouldn't the hundreds of millions of perfectly normal, peaceful Muslims across the globe be testament enough that Islam is as peaceful a religion as any other?

The difference is that moderate Muslims are much more likely to support Al Qaeda then US Christians are to support the KKK.

For example - from this report from Pew Research: Where Terrorism Finds Support in the Muslim World - Pew Research Center

One section asked Muslims from 6 predominantly Muslim countries "how much confidence they have in Osama bin Laden to do the right thing in world affairs." The percentage of respondents who said "a lot or some" in each of the 6 countries:

Jordan - 61%
Pakistan - 52%
Indonesia - 36%
Morocco - 26%
Turkey - 6%
Lebanon - 4%

And these numbers were generally down from a couple of years before this poll.

From the same site, they also asked Muslims in those countries "Some people think that suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets are justified in order to defend Islam from its enemies. Other people believe that, no matter what the reason, this kind of violence is never justified. Do you personally feel that this kind of violence is often justified to defend Islam, sometimes justified, rarely justified, or never justified?" The percentage of respondents who said "often or sometimes" in each of the 6 countries:

Jordan - 57%
Lebanon - 39%
Pakistan - 25%
Indonesia - 15%
Morocco - 13%
Turkey - 14%

These numbers were also generally lower than they were a couple of years earliers.

If you asked US Christians how many have confidence in the leader of the KKK to do the right thing, or how many think suicide bombing or violence against civilian targets is justified, I suspect the numbers would be far lower than the equivalent questions put to Muslims.

Not to say the majority of Muslims aren't peaceful, or do not want peace, but as a population, even Muslim moderates are far more likely than Christian moderates to support violent activity and extremists within their religion.
 
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Harshtotem

Member
Excuse me this is not a war of Christianity against Islam you see- the chrism is from within and without- and is of a kingdom "not of this earth"- we war not agains flesh and blood remember-
 

Baydwin

Well-Known Member
If you asked US Christians how many have confidence in the leader of the KKK to do the right thing, or how many think suicide bombing or violence against civilian targets is justified, I suspect the numbers would be far lower than the equivalent questions put to Muslims.

Not to say the majority of Muslims aren't peaceful, or do not want peace, but as a population, even Muslim moderates are far more likely than Christian moderates to support violent activity and extremists within their religion.
It's a bit hard to compare without the figures though. I'd be interested in the results of asking a random selection of Christians across the US if they'd be willing to use violence to defend their faith, I imagine the number who said yes would be higher than you think.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
It's a bit hard to compare without the figures though. I'd be interested in the results of asking a random selection of Christians across the US if they'd be willing to use violence to defend their faith, I imagine the number who said yes would be higher than you think.

It wasn't just violence, but, specifically, "suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets." I imagine the number who said yes would be lower than you think.
 

Harshtotem

Member
hypocrisy is the first sin, i will never be a party to it- Christianity has never used violence- and it existed before any other form of "religion"
 

Baydwin

Well-Known Member
It wasn't just violence, but, specifically, "suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets." I imagine the number who said yes would be lower than you think.
We can't know until a poll is taken. It all depends on the situation people find themselves under too. Muslims feel like they are under constant attack from the West. I'd be willing to bet that immediately after a terrorist attack, people in the US or UK or other western countries could well say yes to violent actions more drastic than they would in peace times.
 

Baydwin

Well-Known Member
hypocrisy is the first sin, i will never be a party to it- Christianity has never used violence- and it existed before any other form of "religion"
Christianity never used violence? Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, witch trials, any of that ringing a bell?

EDIT: and it existed before Judaism did it? And before the great pagan religions of Egypt, Greece and Rome?
 

Harshtotem

Member
again those were and still are imposter- they are men seeking after every ignoble thing after every dark path none since creation, they were and cannot be Christian- such you have not seen in this generation or know een of the power which is theirs
 
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