Top Muslim Clerics in Canada Issue Fatwa Denouncing Terrorism

[Kilgore Trout]

We can't know until a poll is taken. It all depends on the situation people find themselves under too. Muslims feel like they are under constant attack from the West. I'd be willing to bet that immediately after a terrorist attack, people in the US or UK or other western countries could well say yes to violent actions more drastic than they would in peace times.

I don't remember a single instance of a US citizen performing a suicide bombing - even right after 9/11.

 

[Baydwin]

again those were and still are imposter- they are men seeking after every ignoble thing after every dark path none since creation, they were and cannot be Christian- such you have not seen in this generation or know een of the power which is theirs

What?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

What?

He's saying they're not real Christians. Kind of like suicide bombers not being real Muslims.

 

[Baydwin]

I don't remember a single instance of a US citizen performing a suicide bombing - even right after 9/11.

But they did perform other acts of violence.
I'd rather not get bogged down in the whole suicide bombing aspect, since the form violence takes is related to the culture and the weapons avaliable. A Muslim may be more likely to use a bomb strapped to herself, but an American is more likely to use a submachine gun, either way civilians and property get damaged.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

But they did perform other acts of violence.
I'd rather not get bogged down in the whole suicide bombing aspect, since the form violence takes is related to the culture and the weapons avaliable. A Muslim may be more likely to use a bomb strapped to herself, but an American is more likely to use a submachine gun, either way civilians and property get damaged.

It's about the intention and the intended target, not the hardware.

 

[YmirGF]

It's been almost nine years since the War on Terror started.

Now only does it seem like Muslims in CANADA would be way out of touch with the Muslims in the Middle East, but they are so late in their statement!

In my view that IS the point. It took these learned bozo's over 8 years to come up with a statement? Seriously. I suppose, as Jay says, that we should pat them on the back for the effort, but the point is that no one in the Middle East or anywhere else is even listening to them. The people who drafted this "fatwa" as less than nothing in international Islamic circles. In that light, people should see their little "fatwa" for what it is, pablum for the unwashed Canadian audience.

After all, Islam is the "religion of peace".

No, honest.


It's all a huge misunderstanding on our part.
If we understood Islam, we wouldn't have any problems with it.

No... seriously.

and if you believe that I have a large bridge for you to buy.

 

[Baydwin]

It's about the intention and the intended target, not the hardware.

I agree. And in a similar way that random Arab looking people were attacked on the streets of America after 9/11, Muslims in the middle east are probably more supportive of violence due to perceived constant attack from the west.
By the way, I'm not saying it's right, just trying to fathom the reasons behind it.

 

[YmirGF]

It's about the intention and the intended target, not the hardware.

Details, details, details...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't remember a single instance of a US citizen performing a suicide bombing - even right after 9/11.

Shirwa Ahmed, maybe? He moved to the US as a teenager, but I can't find any information on whether he ever became an American citizen:

Somali-American Suicide Bomber Raises Questions about Terrorist Recruiting in the U.S.

However, while the US has had its share of bombers (Oklahoma City, the Atlanta Olympics, the Unabomber, etc.), it seems to me that they generally like to be somewhere else when the bomb goes off.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

However, while the US has had its share of bombers (Oklahoma City, the Atlanta Olympics, the Unabomber, etc.), it seems to me that they generally like to be somewhere else when the bomb goes off.

Indeed. They also don't get much support from the US population in general.

 

[dust1n]

I don't remember a single instance of a US citizen performing a suicide bombing - even right after 9/11.

We use assault rifles, and then shoot ourselves.


And does the Oklahoma City Bombing count?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

And does the Oklahoma City Bombing count?

Count for what? Correct context - no, but I don't know what your point is supposed to be.

 

[dust1n]

Indeed. They also don't get much support from the US population in general.

That's very true. What about the Holocaust Museum shooting? I'm sure there is a larger portion than we imagine who are secretly rooting for the underdog?

 

[dust1n]

Count for what? Correct context - no, but I don't know what your point is supposed to be.

yeah, sorry, I was thinking of the Oklahoma City Bombing counts as a religious suicide, and it's not... more so political.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

That's very true. What about the Holocaust Museum shooting? I'm sure there is a larger portion than we imagine who are secretly rooting for the underdog?

Yes, I would imagine that the vast majority of Americans are on the side of the victims of the Holocaust.

 

[dust1n]

Yes, I would imagine that the vast majority of Americans are on the side of the victims of the Holocaust.

No, no.. other way around.
It would seemed that in American, a large group of Anti-Semite exists? If they agree with the with the shooter or even commemorate him (reason-forbid), could that be considered an equivalent to radical Islam? It's the same goal..

 

[YmirGF]

Yes, I would imagine that the vast majority of Americans are on the side of the victims of the Holocaust.

I think the main difference is that in North America, such people are seen as troubled rogues whereas in Muslim counties they are more representative of public sentiments... extremist, perhaps -- but latent sentiments, nonetheless. We also do not glorify such people. A major difference in perception in that department.

 

[dust1n]

I think the main difference is that in North America, such people are seen as troubled rogues whereas in Muslim counties they are more representative of public sentiments... extremist, perhaps -- but latent sentiments, nonetheless. We also do not glorify such people. A major difference in perception in that department.

That's true, but that is probably the result of the fact that we aren't constantly having problems with Israel, like the Middle East is.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

No, no.. other way around.
It would seemed that in American, a large group of Anti-Semite exists? If they agree with the with the shooter or even commemorate him (reason-forbid), could that be considered an equivalent to radical Islam? It's the same goal..

I think it's safe to say that there's a strong correlation between radical Islam and anti-Semitism. Just a hunch.

 

[dust1n]

I think it's safe to say that there's a strong correlation between radical Islam and anti-Semitism. Just a hunch.

The strange thing to me is that I've seen a huge divide amongst Radical Islam and American Nationalists. Both seem to have common ground, but I've met anti-Semites who support Lebanon, some one just don't care, and some who were against both parties!