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Top Muslim Clerics in Canada Issue Fatwa Denouncing Terrorism

Ciscokid

Ciscokid

Well-Known Member
Sunstone said:
Getting moderates of any religion to speak out against immoderation is like pulling teeth. You don't see more than a handful of moderate Mulisms speaking out against extremism for the same reason you don't see more than a handful of moderate Christians speaking out against Fred Phelps and the Aryan Nation. Moderates by their very nature respond moderately.
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Fred Phelps isn't blowing up marketplaces.
 
kai

kai

ragamuffin
Baydwin said:
Christianity never used violence? Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, witch trials, any of that ringing a bell?

EDIT: and it existed before Judaism did it? And before the great pagan religions of Egypt, Greece and Rome?
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Poeple have a tendency to use politics or religion to impose their will on others, Islam is no different. The Fatwa should be applauded and i am sure moderate Muslims in Canada are applauding it.
 
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YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Sunstone said:
He's doing enough that moderate Christians should be outraged.
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I agree, but Mr. Phelps and crew do have a record for suing anyone who gets in their way, so I think that may give people pause. It's a bizarre combo when lawyers head up religious groups. I think the moment that the Phelps goes over the edge, and become physically violent, you may see people take him on more directly. Until then Americans are somewhat hamstrung by freedom of speech and the right of assembly.
 
Smoke

Smoke

Done here.
atotalstranger said:
If this catches on, it could be a good first step in westerners being able to take seriously the idea that Islam is a religion of peace.
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If Islam were a religion of peace, it wouldn't be necessary to point it out.

Do you know why you never see Quakers in the news saying, "Quakerism is a religion of peace"? Because they don't have to point that out. People can tell.
 
JMorris

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
Smoke said:
If Islam were a religion of peace, it wouldn't be necessary to point it out.

Do you know why you never see Quakers in the news saying, "Quakerism is a religion of peace"? Because they don't have to point that out. People can tell.
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your full of more good points than a knife drawer.:p id frubal you but i cant right now
 
JMorris

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
can the Aryan Nation really be considered christian?:confused: seems more of a solely political/criminal group than a religious movement
 
dust1n

dust1n

Zindīq
Smoke said:
If Islam were a religion of peace, it wouldn't be necessary to point it out.

Do you know why you never see Quakers in the news saying, "Quakerism is a religion of peace"? Because they don't have to point that out. People can tell.
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I agree, but it does seem like Islam is given a particular negative connotation on American Television (mostly Fox), unlike Quakerism, in which half of Americans probably don't even know what it means past the Oatmeal Guy farming in New England around the revolution time. Islam is an almost daily topic. And we are at a war with them.
 
JMorris

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
dust1n said:
Do they not consider themselves Christian? The Bible is open for personal interpretation.
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what i know about white supremacist religious beliefs (which is admittedly not alot) im not sure you could call them christian. i figure christianity means as much to the Aryan Nation as communism means to FARC.
 
dust1n

dust1n

Zindīq
JMorris said:
what i know about white supremacist religious beliefs (which is admittedly not alot) im not sure you could call them christian. i figure christianity means as much to the Aryan Nation as communism means to FARC.
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Good Point. The Bible does not seem coherent to a lot of Christians throughout history. I guess following the Bible would constitution one more, if I may, Christian-y than the Aryan Nation.
 
Smoke

Smoke

Done here.
JMorris said:
what i know about white supremacist religious beliefs (which is admittedly not alot) im not sure you could call them christian.
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If being a bigot makes one a non-Christian, a lot of people besides the Aryan Nation will have to be excluded.
 
JMorris

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
Smoke said:
If being a bigot makes one a non-Christian, a lot of people besides the Aryan Nation will have to be excluded.
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i certainly didnt mean that. what i know about white supremacist religion, seems to be a large amount of pagan nordic stuff mixed in. and alot of **** they simply made up. go take a look at what Christian Identity, or is it World Church of the Creator now? either one, neither seems very christian in even the loosest of definition.
 
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Sahar

Well-Known Member
kai said:
I think he means using Islam to attain political ends such as nationalistic goals.
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His posts are frustrating. First he thinks he knows about Islam but what he expresses says the opposite. And secondly he uses debatable terms like "political Islam" and saying "but in political Islam bla bla bla...he uses a term that he doesn't know its implications. Thirdly, he is confused, at first he was talking about Islam claiming that criticism to other Muslims is a big issue and I showed him the opposite and how what he said contradicts a very core Islamic principle then he responded by the political Islam thing. :sarcastic

My link is about political Islam that he used in his post.

I have no clue about what you are saying: "using Islam to attain political ends such as nationalistic goals."? :sarcastic

In the same link, the relationship between Islam and politics is explained.
 
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Caladan

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
not4me said:
His posts are frustrating. First he thinks he knows about Islam but what he expresses says the opposite. And secondly he uses debatable terms like "political Islam" and saying "but in political Islam bla bla bla...he uses a term that he doesn't know its implications. Thirdly, he is confused, at first he was talking about Islam claiming that criticism to other Muslims is a big issue and I showed him the opposite and how what he said contradicts a very core Islamic principle then he responded by the political Islam thing. :sarcastic

My link is about political Islam that he used in his post.

I have no clue about what you are saying: "using Islam to attain political ends such as nationalistic goals."? :sarcastic

In the same link, the relationship between Islam and politics is explained.
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Your source says:
To us, Muslims there is only one Islam that is not subject to classification or division;
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You, me, kai and Lionheart all know that is not true and not in line with reality. but of course people can spout ideological catch phrases to deny that, and throw irrelevant words like 'the Ummah'.
Lionheart uses a term which is widely accepted around the world and is interpreted in detail, perhaps to the dismay of some members here.
 
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Sahar

Well-Known Member
Caladan said:
Your source says:
You, me, kai and Lionheart all know that is not true and not in line with reality. but of course people can spout ideological catch phrases to deny that, and throw irrelevant words like 'the Ummah'.
Lionheart uses a term which is widely accepted around the world and is interpreted in detail, perhaps to the dismay of some members here.
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And interpreted in detail, how?
 
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