Transgender issues: Why blurring the line between men and women is not the problem

[Shadow Wolf]

I am under the impression that "trans activist" is the accepted term. If it's not, I'm happy to use the accepted term if anyone knows it.

Except the way you use people would think I'm saying it's just fine for big, burly, hairy Bubba to just use the women's shower.
That's why people have such a problem with how you go about painting "trans activists."

 

[Kfox]

What you mean is she said something you did not agree with.

No; rather than answer his question, she accused him of transphobia, and accused his questions of harming others. Though not successful, it was an attempt to shut down the conversation.

 

[Kfox]

Except the way you use people would think I'm saying it's just fine for big, burly, hairy Bubba to just use the women's shower.
That's why people have such a problem with how you go about painting "trans activists."

If big burly hairy Bubba was a transwoman, would you have a problem with him using the women's shower?

 

[fantome profane]

No; rather than answer his question, she accused him of transphobia,

That is her free speech.

Just to be clear, what do you mean by "shutting down the conversation"? What if anything is wrong with "shutting down the conversation"?

 

[Firenze]

Below is an example of an activists attempting to shut down conversation by calling his line of questioning transphobic, and claiming such questions leads to violence.

The Senator was not demonizing anyone, he was only asking questions the activist didn’t like, or was unable to answer

You either exist, or you don’t. Existence is not something you have to fight for.

Walking in someone else’s shoes is not necessary to have an opinion concerning what they say

Thanx for your opinion. I'll remind my Jewish friends that they never need to fight for their existence.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If big burly hairy Bubba was a transwoman, would you have a problem with him using the women's shower?

Here's the thing. It's the norm for trans people to be presenting as our birth sex. We're still trans, it's still who we are, we may deny it, the world may not see it, but it's who we are.
You RWers just haven't learned that yet because you just started learning abiut this a few months ago.
And that has nothing to do with my post so you'll just have to settle for that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No; rather than answer his question, she accused him of transphobia, and accused his questions of harming others. Though not successful, it was an attempt to shut down the conversation.

Pointing stuff out isn't attempting to shut down the conversation. That's what happens when you flip the game board over and send the pieces flying.

 

[Kfox]

That is her free speech.

Just to be clear, what do you mean by "shutting down the conversation"? What if anything is wrong with "shutting down the conversation"?

The person I was conversation with made the claim that many men voice their opinions in a way that seeks to silence non-binary and trans people in a manner that goes beyond sharing a perspective.
I responded that there are plenty of trans activists who do this, and I provided a video of it happening.
What’s wrong with doing this? Well obviously the person I was discussing with has a problem with it otherwise she wouldn’t have brought it up; however…. the way I see it, if you are reduced to attempting to shut down the argument rather than using reason and logic to defend your position, this is a clear indication you’ve lost the debate

 

[Kfox]

Thanx for your opinion. I'll remind my Jewish friends that they never need to fight for their existence.

What kind of Jewish friends do you have who are convinced if they don’t somehow “fight” they will no longer exist? What; they will all just disappear or something??? Please explain this to me because this makes no sense to me at all!

 

[Kfox]

Here's the thing. It's the norm for trans people to be presenting as our birth sex. We're still trans, it's still who we are, we may deny it, the world may not see it, but it's who we are.
You RWers just haven't learned that yet because you just started learning abiut this a few months ago.
And that has nothing to do with my post so you'll just have to settle for that.

IOW you refuse to answer the question..... typical!

Pointing stuff out isn't attempting to shut down the conversation. That's what happens when you flip the game board over and send the pieces flying.

She was asked a question, she refused to answer the question but instead made an absurd claim without providing any evidence that there is even a shred of truth to said claim.

 

[Firenze]

What kind of Jewish friends do you have who are convinced if they don’t somehow “fight” they will no longer exist? What; they will all just disappear or something??? Please explain this to me because this makes no sense to me at all!

My bad. I was not aware that english is not your first language. When people are killed for who they are - Trans, Jew, Blacks, Women, Gay - those people cease to exist. They have no more existence. HTH.

 

[fantome profane]

if you are reduced to attempting to shut down the argument rather than using reason and logic to defend your position, this is a clear indication you’ve lost the debate

If I choose not to engage with a flat earther, that does not mean I have "lost the debate", it means there is no debate. Similarly I am not going to engage with someone who wants to argue that women shouldn't have the right to vote.

And I am not going to engage with someone who is trying to imply that transgender men do not exist. Pointing out Josh Hawley's ignorance is not losing the debate, it is winning the debate. That is not "shutting down the conversation", when you win the debate the debate should be over.

 

[icehorse]

Except the way you use people would think I'm saying it's just fine for big, burly, hairy Bubba to just use the women's shower.
That's why people have such a problem with how you go about painting "trans activists."

Well these are not simple conversations, so if you don't read carefully? But I would say, when in doubt, ask for clarification - that is if your intention is to actually communicate and not obfuscate.

 

[fantome profane]

What kind of Jewish friends do you have who are convinced if they don’t somehow “fight” they will no longer exist? What; they will all just disappear or something??? Please explain this to me because this makes no sense to me at all!

Will a Jewish person "still exist" if they are no longer allowed to practice their religion?

 

[Kfox]

My bad. I was not aware that english is not your first language. When people are killed for who they are - Trans, Jew, Blacks, Women, Gay - those people cease to exist. They have no more existence. HTH.

English IS my first language; however you phrased your response in a way that made no sense to me. However..... what type of fighting do your Jewish friends engage in to prevent themselves from getting killed?

 

[crossfire]

What makes this person a girl?

She was born unambiguously anatomically female.

 

[Kfox]

If I choose not to engage with a flat earther, that does not mean I have "lost the debate"

If you choose to enter a debate with a flat earther, then for whatever reason you choose to no longer debate him, you have lost the debate. This lady was not forced to engage in a debate with the Senator; that was her choice.

 

[fantome profane]

If you choose to enter a debate with a flat earther, then for whatever reason you choose to no longer debate him, you have lost the debate. This lady was not forced to engage in a debate with the Senator; that was her choice.

She didn't chose to debate the existence of transgender men. If she did indeed "shut down that conversation", good for her.

 

[Kfox]

Will a Jewish person "still exist" if they are no longer allowed to practice their religion?

Yes! The Jewish person will still exist.

 

[fantome profane]

Yes! The Jewish person will still exist.

Just that they will no longer be a Jewish person.

Are you ok with that?