Meaning what? IOW; what was it about her that made her female?
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Transgender issues: Why blurring the line between men and women is not the problem
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Judaism is not only a religion, it is also a culture. There are lots of non-practicing Jewish people.
Did I say something to give you the impression I have a problem with the first amendment?
Transgender people exist regardless of whether people believe they do or not. This would be like Theists claiming that if atheists do not believe in their God, their God will no longer exist! So they have to fight for the existence of their God by engaging atheists.
Is a Jewish person still a Jewish person if they are not allowed to practice their religion or identify themselves as Jewish?
I am trying to clarify something. When you say this is not about transgender people not existing. Do you think a transgender person still exists if they are not allowed to be transgender?
Then you understand how stupid Josh Hawley's point was.
I just wrote that she was born unambiguously anatomically female. There would have been no question of her being female if there were no genetic screening tests taken before she was born.
What is happening here is a version of the no true Scotsman fallacy.
Their biggest fight was to establish a nation with borders and a military to keep the antisemites from killing another 6 million of them. Are you really ignorant of their history?
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
Is she a girl? Or is she a boy, like @Shaul says?
Hard to say. You might say it's ambiguous.
The girl has the normal chromosome count – 46 – and should be male. Other children who have the male sex chromosome but do not appear to be boys have been found to have gene mutations that temper the Y chromosome’s effects. However this child doesn’t have ambiguous gonads, shrivelled testes or other developmental defects. She instead has a normal vagina, cervix and set of ovaries.
A team led by Anna Biason-Lauber, of University Children’s Hospital in Zurich, Switzerland, thinks the patient’s normalcy is due to mutations in a poorly understood gene on chromosome 17 called CBX2.
The child’s unique condition might not have been discovered were it not for tests performed before birth to check for major genetic defects, such as an extra copy of chromosome 21 that causes Down’s syndrome. Those tests came up negative and indicated the child would be a boy.
Gene shut-down
When a girl with normal sex organs was born, doctors started scratching their heads. Most females with a Y chromosome have underdeveloped gonads that are prone to developing tumours and usually removed. However, when surgeons operated with the intention of removing the gonads they found normal-looking ovaries in the girl, and took only a tissue sample. This sample, too, looked normal.
Experiments in human cells suggest that the mutations in CBX2 shut off a gene critical for male sexual development, called SRY.
When she grows up, do you believe she has a right to choose whether she'd like to go with her chromosomes or her sexual characteristics?The person will exist, but the religion and culture will not. Are your Jewish friends under the impression the first amendment is under attack?
To be Transgender is not about what you do, it’s about what is going on inside of your head. What kinda laws do you imagine can prevent a biological male from believing he is a female?
So she is intersex?
This conversation is not about the State of Israel existing, it's about Jewish people existing. Again; what type of fighting do your Jewish friends engage in to prevent themselves from getting killed?
I haven't followed that, so I have no idea. I focus on things that seem more controversial.
Thank you, @Firenze and @fantome profane, for your comments. I hope that I may be counted among your Jewish friends.
Yes, @Kfox, many people, including Jews, as mentioned by Firenze and fantome profane, have had to fight for their existence.
Historically, when Jews were not permitted to practice our religion in European lands such as Spain and Sicily (with the onset of the Spanish Inquistion), many of us did, indeed, cease to exist as Jews -- because those that weren't expelled from these lands were forced to convert to Christianity. Entire Jewish communities were lost (both religiously and culturally) due to this process of Jewish eradication that preceded the Holocaust by several centuries.
Today, many people are attempting to trace their lost Jewish ancestry through various clues, such as DNA (most helpful for those of Ashkenazic descent) and the occurrence of Hispanic/Sephardic family names that survived through multiple generations. I have a cousin, in fact, who married a woman of Cuban ancestry whose last name happens to be one of those Sephardic family names that have been tagged for Jewish ancestry. She had no idea that she might have Jewish ancestry, and the surprise of the possible origin of her family name was cause for a lot of personal happiness in our family. The Jewish genealogy site, Avotaynu.com, publishes books that provide this kind of vital information for both Jews and those seeking to recover what may have been taken from them in those times and places where Jews weren't permitted to exist as Jews.
Back on topic... I haven't really been following this thread, because the same people continually post the same intolerant viewpoints about transgender people masked in their spurious "concerns" for (perceived) weak and helpless women, along with whatever else the talking heads at Fox News come up with to frighten people in order to better sell their brand of nooze.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Lots of Jews are non-religious. Jus' sayin'
Oh by all means, don't bother letting any new ideas into your head, and whatever you do, try to avoid any complexity or nuance at all costs!! :O
Yes. If these types of cases were the extent of the Transgender issue, nobody would have a problem with it
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What is intersex?
Intersex is a general term used for a variety of conditions in which a person is born with a reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn’t seem to fit the typical definitions of female or male. For example, a person might be born appearing to be female on the outside, but having mostly male-typical anatomy on the inside. Or a person may be born with genitals that seem to be in-between the usual male and female types—for example, a girl may be born with a noticeably large clitoris, or lacking a vaginal opening, or a boy may be born with a notably small penis, or with a scrotum that is divided so that it has formed more like labia. Or a person may be born with mosaic genetics, so that some of her cells have XX chromosomes and some of them have XY.
Source: Intersex Society of North America What is intersex? | Intersex Society of North America
This person is unambiguously anatomically female, but has XY chromosomes.
So they were fighting for the existence of their culture and religion; not their existence. Though a major part, there are more to people than just their culture and religion.
Shadow Wolf
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You're the one who's been painting "TA"s as some group you haven't really defined, have blamed for problems facing trans people, have condemned for speaking up and speaking out, and yet haven't gave us anything more concete than the fantasy RW boogeyman called the "gay agenda."
How is this different than intersex?