Transgender questions

[Kfox]

Well, I won't tell you how you do it subjectively, as long as you accept that I do it differently.

Subjectively, or differently feel like a man? What does that mean? Like I said; I don't think such a thing exists however if you feel it does, explain it to me.

So I feel like a male, because I won't wear female like clothes. My interest are more male than female, And the list goes on.

My Cousin is female, but wear men's clothes, men's hair style, dates women, you would probably think her interests more male than female, and her list goes on; yet she is a woman.

It is not black and white, but rather a continuum for several different markers in regards to the stereo types of male and female.

Perhaps we need to get rid of those silly male/female stereo types. Maybe we need to recognize not all men fit the stereo type, and for those who don't it doesn't mean you aren't a man; and the same for women.

 

[Father Heathen]

I'm known to post what some see as controversial things.... But inquiring minds want to know.
If you want others to understand, then be ready to tolerate questions.

If a person fully transitions, MtF, do they seek a male or female partner?

If a person doesn't fully transition, MtF, do they seek a male or female partner?

If a person fully transitions, FtM, do they seek a male or female partner?

If a person doesn't fully transition, FtM for do they seek a male or female partner?

It depends on the individual and what they're attracted to, regardless of their transitional stage. What does one have to do with the other?.

 

[Estro Felino]

What are these "Anglo-Saxon" countries. The English largelt and mostly aren't Anglo-Saxon themselves (though historically they thought so). America is probably more Germanic though it's a mixed bag of ethnicity (especially Latinos). Canada has a deal of French in it. Australia? According to Wiki it's 33% English. Mercia, Wessex, Kent, Northumbria, these kingdoms no longer exists, the Germanic tribes who arrived after the Romans interbred with the Celts (there were also Frisians and Jutes, amd of course the Norse who later arrived and carved out their mark).
So, what is am Anglo-Saxon country ifnnot the rally call of the delluded amd ethnic supremacists?

I meant US, UK, Can, Aus and NZ. We call them Anglo-Saxon countries.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I meant US, UK, Can, Aus and NZ. We call them Anglo-Saxon countries.

Who? Those who want to forget those are countries of mutts and people from all over?

 

[Estro Felino]

Who? Those who want to forget those are countries of mutts and people from all over?

I meant this: Common law - Wikipedia

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I meant this: Common law - Wikipedia

By that logic most of the world was Anglo-Saxon when the British Empire was at its height.
And by the way, I don't know a lick of Italian.

 

[wellwisher]

Just a reminder that in most cases, it's the hormone levels that largely determine sexual attraction.

Does that mean when artificial hormones, beyond one's own body's natural secretions, are given to a transitioning person by medical staff, it helps create a self fulfilling prophesy? The hormone balances will be artificially shifted. Does the artificially shifted balance now become the main factor?

During Halloween, people will wear all types of costumes including gender bending; drag queen. The imagination helps each person decide who or what they wish to be; superhero, fairy and even animals. If medical science could come up with treatments to make all these fantasies stick and there was also a push in school to accept this pretend as real, would the drugs alter people and increase the amount of goods and services sold in the medical industries? If politicians got in on this on the ground floor, and helped to promote it, could they benefit by campaign donations and insider trading?

Another factor that is not being discuss is programming young people and the power of suggestion. If you plotted a data curve of those who claim to be gender benders, as a function of calendar year, why has this phenomena gone up since schools started the indoctrination program, behind parents backs, with fake news pushing this new medical centric position? Say we assume this is natural for some people, how many are being artificially induced by the media and medical blitz?

Young people are notorious for following generational fads. When I was young, long hair became common to the males. In todays gender bending marketing program, this would be attributed to the onset of generational gender fluidity. However, back then, it was not seen that way. Long hair in males was connected to being natural, instead artificially cutting the male hair, to conform to a style, that required artificial additives; barbers and hair products.

Modern fake news Media could spin long hair to make it appear what it is not; urge to be a girl. Revisionist history could then be used to fool the young people, until they recited the fake news program by root and take the fake. It would be harder to do revisionist history, with parents who lived back then, involved in any counter conditioning based on the truth. The way to is being done; like a thief in the night, is a tell. If it had genuine science support, unattached to free market, it would be done in the open.

Back in the hippy generation, women for example, stopped wearing bras and even stopped shaving. Again, bras and shaving were free market driven, while doing none of the required extras, was how it would be in a purely natural environment. Today's transgender needs are so full of artificial, it may set the new record for human unnatural. Now gender based clothing and shoe vendors are springing up to cash in on this craze. This all adds up to conditioning, with this generation a very easy target compared to older generations. Why is that? What was the groundwork that made this possible, especially on the Left, where this has many more takers? Is it one more example of the Left's divide the people strategy, for young votes and campaign donations from the medical industries?

 

[wellwisher]

Just a reminder that in most cases, it's the hormone levels that largely determine sexual attraction.

Does that mean when artificial hormones, beyond one's own body's natural secretions, are given to a transitioning person by medical staff, it helps create a self fulfilling prophesy? The hormone balances will be artificially shifted. Does the artificially shifted balance now become the main factor?

During Halloween, people will wear all types of costumes including gender bending; drag queen. The imagination helps each person decide who or what they wish to be; superhero, fairy and even animals. If medical science could come up with treatments to make all these fantasies stick and there was also a push in school to accept this pretend as real, would the drugs alter people and increase the amount of goods and services sold in the medical industries? If politicians got in on this on the ground floor, and helped to promote it, could they benefit by campaign donations and insider trading?

Another factor that is not being discuss is programming young people and the power of suggestion. If you plotted a data curve of those who claim to be gender benders, as a function of calendar year, why has this phenomena gone up since schools started the indoctrination program, behind parents backs, with fake news pushing this new medical centric position? Say we assume this is natural for some people, how many are being artificially induced by the media and medical blitz?

Young people are notorious for following generational fads. When I was young, long hair became common to the males. In todays gender bending marketing program, this would be attributed to the onset of generational gender fluidity. However, back then, it was not seen that way. Long hair in males was connected to being natural, instead artificially cutting the male hair, to conform to a style, that required artificial additives; barbers and hair products.

Modern fake news Media could spin long hair to make it appear what it is not; urge to be a girl. Revisionist history could then be used to fool the young people, until they recited the fake news program by root and take the fake. It would be harder to do revisionist history, with parents who lived back then, involved in any counter conditioning based on the truth. The way to is being done; like a thief in the night, is a tell. If it had genuine science support, unattached to free market, it would be done in the open.

Back in the hippy generation, women for example, stopped wearing bras and even stopped shaving. Again, bras and shaving were free market driven, while doing none of the required extras, was how it would be in a purely natural environment. Today's transgender needs are so full of artificial, it may set the new record for human unnatural. Now gender based clothing and shoe vendors are springing up to cash in on this craze. This all adds up to conditioning, with this generation a very easy target compared to older generations. Why is that? What was the groundwork that made this possible, especially on the Left, where this has many more takers? Is it one more example of the Left's divide the people strategy, for young votes and campaign donations from the medical industries?

 

[Estro Felino]

Back in the hippy generation, women for example, stopped wearing bras and even stopped shaving. Again, bras and shaving were free market driven, while doing none of the required extras, was how it would be in a purely natural environment. Today's transgender needs are so full of artificial, it may set the new record for human unnatural. Now gender based clothing and shoe vendors are springing up to cash in on this craze. This all adds up to conditioning, with this generation a very easy target compared to older generations. Why is that? What was the groundwork that made this possible, especially on the Left, where this has many more takers? Is it one more example of the Left's divide the people strategy, for young votes and campaign donations from the medical industries?

Americans unfortunately tend to think that sex is something separated from our identity.
From what we are and from who we are. I don't think gender is something determined by societal customs or by societal stereotypes.

 

[metis]

Does that mean when artificial hormones, beyond one's own body's natural secretions, are given to a transitioning person by medical staff, it helps create a self fulfilling prophesy? The hormone balances will be artificially shifted. Does the artificially shifted balance now become the main factor?

With teens, what is done in the vast majority of cases is to give hormone suppressants that involve the consent of the teen, the parents, and the doctor. Instead, you want the government to make that decision for all three of them, and I have a problem with the government doing that which I believe should be a more personal matter.

BTW, my oldest daughter is on a hormone suppressant because she has breast cancer, so must she ask the government, iyo, if it's OK for her to have that? What else do you want the government to do with our personal lives' health wise?

 

[SomeRandom]

Americans unfortunately tend to think that sex is something separated from our identity.
From what we are and from who we are. I don't think gender is something determined by societal customs or by societal stereotypes.

If that were the case, every single culture in the world and indeed throughout history, would have the exact same cultural expressions for femininity and masculinity.
Anyone even remotely acquainted with world history would laugh at such a ridiculous notion

There’s a reason why gender is explicitly studied by the Social Sciences.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Americans unfortunately tend to think that sex is something separated from our identity.
From what we are and from who we are. I don't think gender is something determined by societal customs or by societal stereotypes.

Is that why ancient Spartan women, ancient Roman women Christian Saxon women, pagan Celtic women, amd modern Japanese and American women all had different roles and expectations and norms?

 

[Jimmy]

This thread seams insincere

 

[JDMS]

If that were the case, every single culture in the world and indeed throughout history, would have the exact same cultural expressions for femininity and masculinity.
Anyone even remotely acquainted with world history would laugh at such a ridiculous notion

There’s a reason why gender is explicitly studied by the Social Sciences.

Gender dysphoria is studied by a variety of fields, including ones in the biological realm. Not to be rude of course, just pointing that out.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I think that sexual orientation is a relevant component of your sexual identity.
And also sexual preferences.

There was a lesbian person I used to know and I know she married a FtM person.
This person has evidently married a woman who transitioned into a man because genital preferences do matter.
Otherwise she would have chosen a biological male.

You should know that an FTM's genitals aren't the same as an estrogen-fueled female's genitals, after years and years on testosterone therapy. Some of them grow so much they can penetrate a vagina. There's a number of important changes that take place to all parts of it, including the scent and the fluids (it's more like prostate fluid). No lesbian or straight man is going to be attracted to a trans man who is years into testosterone therapy, regardless of genital surgery. Speaking from experience.

Also sometimes people's attractions just don't align with the label they put on their orientation 100% of the time. A lot of trans men started out in the lesbian community and so maybe she was comfortable with that, also that he may have more of an understanding about women.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I'm known to post what some see as controversial things.... But inquiring minds want to know.
If you want others to understand, then be ready to tolerate questions.

If a person fully transitions, MtF, do they seek a male or female partner?

If a person doesn't fully transition, MtF, do they seek a male or female partner?

If a person fully transitions, FtM, do they seek a male or female partner?

If a person doesn't fully transition, FtM for do they seek a male or female partner?

If you are truly interested in this topic, I suggest a very good starting place is a book by Olive Skeen Johnson, called The Sexual Spectrum: Exploring Human Diversity.

It is quite excellent, and will give you a very good overview of a complex and often confusing topic.

 

[JDMS]

You should know that an FTM's genitals aren't the same as an estrogen-fueled female's genitals, after years and years on testosterone therapy. Some of them grow so much they can penetrate a vagina. There's a number of important changes that take place to all parts of it, including the scent and the fluids (it's more like prostate fluid). No lesbian or straight man is going to be attracted to a trans man who is years into testosterone therapy, regardless of genital surgery. Speaking from experience.

Also sometimes people's attractions just don't align with the label they put on their orientation 100% of the time. A lot of trans men started out in the lesbian community and so maybe she was comfortable with that, also that he may have more of an understanding about women.

Yep, yep and yep. All of this is true.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You should know that an FTM's genitals aren't the same as an estrogen-fueled female's genitals, after years and years on testosterone therapy. Some of them grow so much they can penetrate a vagina. There's a number of important changes that take place to all parts of it, including the scent and the fluids (it's more like prostate fluid). No lesbian or straight man is going to be attracted to a trans man who is years into testosterone therapy, regardless of genital surgery. Speaking from experience.

Also sometimes people's attractions just don't align with the label they put on their orientation 100% of the time. A lot of trans men started out in the lesbian community and so maybe she was comfortable with that, also that he may have more of an understanding about women.

I don't know people put so much emphasis on the genitals. Evem MtF with no surgery, it's just not gonna work if someone is expecting a normal male function.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't know people put so much emphasis on the genitals. Evem MtF with no surgery, it's just not gonna work if someone is expecting a normal male function.

I honestly think that it's just ignorance. Most people have no idea what effects cross-sex hormones have on the genitals, especially after a period of years. It's really the hormones that make up the majority of the physical part of transition, not surgery.

 

[SomeRandom]

Gender dysphoria is studied by a variety of fields, including ones in the biological realm. Not to be rude of course, just pointing that out.

Fair enough. Perhaps I should have said, it’s mainly studied by the social science fields.
Merely trying to add emphasis to the social aspect.
But you’re right, it is studied in a variety of fields