Transgenderism

[ADigitalArtist]

Right, we are still in the early days. The dialogue must continue and not just by the bad actors.

Relative early days. I mean, transgender people have been studied as a science since before WW2, and literature on that study was among the first things Nazi burned. Meanwhile accurate depictions of the clitoris as an entire organ has only been depicted in medical literature for less than 20 years.

Neuroscience as it turns out is more complicated than rocket science. So it proceeds apace inconsistently.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It's like height. On average men are taller. But there's a fair chance this won't be the case if you randomly select a male and female and compare them. There's even a fair chance they'll about the same height.

There's also nonbinary and intersex people of all gender identities that further complicate comparisons.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

Relative early days. I mean, transgender people have been studied as a science since before WW2, and literature on that study was among the first things Nazi burned. Meanwhile accurate depictions of the clitoris as an entire organ has only been depicted in medical literature for less than 20 years.

Neuroscience as it turns out is more complicated than rocket science. So it proceeds apace inconsistently.

Well, like I alluded to, I place much more causal focus on the soul (unseen) than I do the brain (visible). I don’t place hope in neuroscience as a result, so the reality that it hasn’t produced much fruit yet is entirely predictable for me.

Our religious efforts must start producing fruit. We are definitely in the early days on this side and desperately need to make progress.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Well, like I alluded to, I place much more causal focus on the soul (unseen) than I do the brain (visible). I don’t place hope in neuroscience as a result, so the reality that it hasn’t produced much fruit yet is entirely predictable for me.

Our religious efforts must start producing fruit. We are definitely in the early days on this side and desperately need to make progress.

Well if you ever want to talk about my religious (quasi Taoist) view on gender, sex, gender roles, etc, instead of purely a science perspective, I'm game. Probably should on a different thread tho.

 

[Sand Dancer]

You misunderstood me. If my brain dictates that I am male, am I capable of choosing (agency) to identify as female?

I don't think it works that way. Your mind is your brain. You are a mind; you have a body.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There's also nonbinary and intersex people of all gender identities that further complicate comparisons.

Not enough if them to complicate that much, just various physical ailments and things just isn't enough to make a statically significant difference in average height.
We see it's there a lot, but we also don't see it there a lot. But despite the differences and variations there are still averages. Which makes sense as most people fall within various average ranges of our biological and psychological features. We can even say the average human has five fingers on each hand, but we've probably all known exceptions to this average.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I wish I could give your post a 'friendly' frubal, Ella. Thank you for your kind and thoughtful response. I appreciate it.

I posted the following in another thread, but I thought it was also appropriate in response to your post.

According to the Bible, God is capable of hatred, as well as anger and jealousy. Christians, in my opinion, are deceiving themselves by focusing solely on his alleged love and mercy while ignoring the other verses that depict his hatred, anger, and jealousy. When I left Christianity, I reread the Bible without rose-colored glasses, and I now see God as a sadistic and psychopathic monster who delights in inflicting pain and torturing people, as well as causing total chaos and disasters in order to inflict pain and kill people. And as a former devout Christian and survivor of childhood abuse, I compare God to a narcissistic and abusive parent who only "loves" you when you do or say exactly what they want you to do. And you think that if you don't make them angry, they won't hurt you, but you're not completely sure because they have an extremely violent temper and are known to lash out in anger. So, if you disobey them and make them angry at you, then there will be hell to pay. That isn't a relationship based on unconditional love, but rather one based on fear and mistrust. If God exists, then I don't believe that he is worthy of my respect and reverence, let alone my love and worship. I do believe, however, that he has earned my contempt. If God exists, then he can go to hell. He clearly doesn't think I'm worth his time, and I now don't think he's worth mine.

We were totally gaslighted.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Not enough if them to complicate that much, just various physical ailments and things just isn't enough to make a statically significant difference in average height.
We see it's there a lot, but we also don't see it there a lot. But despite the differences and variations there are still averages. Which makes sense as most people fall within various average ranges of our biological and psychological features. We can even say the average human has five fingers on each hand, but we've probably all known exceptions to this average.

I didn't mean in height, just the general neurobiological quandary that is sex and gender. Though both are understudied, the latter undiagnosed.

Things like that fascinate me. There may in fact be more ADHD women than men, if the studied overlap between hormone disorders like PCOS continues to trend 50/50 cooccurence. But currently the diagnostic statistics are something like over twice as many men. Which would mean that something like under half of ADHD women are diagnosed and treated.

 

[Tiberius]

What shocks me is that in the United States so many heterosexual cisgender people become trans just like that.
This is highly suspicious.
I think that there is a culture that indoctrinates heterosexual cisgender people.

Or maybe there always were more trans people than we were aware of, only now it's possible for a person to actually be open about being trans.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Yep, I have one family member who's gone back and forth several times.

As the same type of denomination or different? I was Baptist and have NO interest in being Baptist ever again. I, however, tried Methodist, Catholic, Episcopal, LDS, and now am Quaker.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Not so much punished as having strict gender norms enforced (no girl toys at all allowed), but also social pressures and misogyny that view women as weak and lesser than men.

Oh man, what a message to send. Ugh.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I was raised Christian........Christ would not condone prejudice against trans people....If your bible says nonheterosexuals are evil then your bible speaks heresy....If you believe in God; God created all of us....as we are. It's for everyone to live their life finding out who they are....It's called their identity.....I'm male, with several flaws. If you believe people who are different from you means they are products of the devil, you are wrong.

I think ancient men often put their views into God's mouth.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh man, what a message to send. Ugh.

This was rural Indiana, where it's pretty backwards and bigoted, Conservative and hateful.
I met this one couple here, white guy and latina gal, and they summed it up well enough. He was there on military service and thought it was great. Her skin's brown so she got to see a different side and she called him out over it. I could only agree because I'm white but still fall out of the mold and had that bad side aimed at me. I also grew up painfully aware of how most guys (and a lot of women) there talk about women (calling the period jokes cringeworthy is very generous), and black people, anyone they think looks Mexican, Asains, gays, lesbians, trans, atheists, amd everybody else not who doesn't look and think just like them.

 

[Sand Dancer]

This was rural Indiana, where it's pretty backwards and bigoted, Conservative and hateful.
I met this one couple here, white guy and latina gal, and they summed it up well enough. He was there on military service and thought it was great. Her skin's brown so she got to see a different side and she called him out over it. I could only agree because I'm white but still fall out of the mold and had that bad side aimed at me. I also grew up painfully aware of how most guys (and a lot of women) there talk about women (calling the period jokes cringeworthy is very generous), and black people, anyone they think looks Mexican, Asains, gays, lesbians, trans, atheists, amd everybody else not who doesn't look and think just like them.

Maybe that guy will learn something new. Here's hoping. How does one "look" atheist? Do the folks there have athdar or something?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Maybe that guy will learn something new. Here's hoping. How does one "look" atheist? Do the folks there have athdar or something?

That was just listing off some of the people I've heard Hoosier yokels hating on.

 

[Trailblazer]

As a Christian; is this a way to speak of and treat a fellow human being in emotional distress?

God will not judge you by the gender identity of another.

God will judge you by your treatment of others. Do you consider your attitude towards these individuals sufficiently humble in the eyes of your Lord? Or are you perhaps merely contributing to their torment and pain?

*WINNER*

 

[Trailblazer]

This is new and surprising.

It's new but it is not surprising.
That Satan sure gets around.

 

[Trailblazer]

They've been doing that for awhile. Nothing new, and utterly expected from these sorts.

Hey, I just said that.

 

[Trailblazer]

Sounds like you're referring to transvestite males (autogynephiles), who decide to transition later on in life and are usually hetero males. Yeah, there's a lot of those. Not all of them are older, either. Some are younger. To be honest, a lot of younger guys are getting sucked into it because of sissy porn and trans porn, and they develop an obsession with it. Some are chasers with a fetish for trans women and then they transition to be "lesbians" with other fetishists like themselves. My last boyfriend is one of those types, pretending he's trans (among other things) when he's really a self-hating gay man with a ton of fetishes, who became obsessed with tranny porn when he was young. There's a lot of weird **** going on.

*INFORMATIVE*

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hey, I just said that.

But this isn't Satan but the hermaphrodite sibling of the gay demon who seeks out people to make them so confused they'll declare god made a mistake.