Transphobia

[Father Heathen]

I think most of the harassing and antagonizing is coming from the camp quick to call someone transphobic for refusing to use preferred pronouns.

They don't want to be humored, they want to be believed; and if you don't believe them, that is where their condemnation comes from. Perhaps it is them who should realize they are living in a world where everybody is not going to believe everything you say, and remain respectful for the sake of politeness and civility.

It's adorable how those on the trans witchhunt bandwagon are trying to paint themselves as the victims, the ones on the defensive.
How hard is it for people to mind their business and leave others alone? The superstitions of one don't supercede the rights and freedoms of another.

 

[Kfox]

I have a hard time believing you are ignorant of the recent push from Conservatives to ban books.

I never said I was unaware of some conservatives wanting to ban books (Mein Kampf is still banned according to my understanding) I said I was unaware of the specific book “the diary of Ann Frank” as something being banned by lawmakers.

And I'd feel more inclined to discuss it if you engaged in a productive discourse. But your continued cutting out the hatred part that also defines phobia indicates that a productive discourse is not high on your agenda.

Are you able to understand that just because I disagree with you, does not mean I hate you? Can you understand that?
Our culture has accepted two huge lies. First is if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle you must fear or hate them, the second is that in order to love someone it means you must accept everything they believe, say, or do. Both are nonsense; you don’t have to compromise your convictions to be compassionate.

 

[Kfox]

It's adorable how those on the trans witchhunt bandwagon are trying to paint themselves as the victims, the ones on the defensive.
How hard is it for people to mind their business and leave others alone? The superstitions of one don't supercede the rights and freedoms of another.

You’ve got that backwards. Ya see; the way the English language works is male and female pronouns are never used when talking to you, If I were talking to you, the only pronouns I will use in reference to you is “you” or yours”. The only time male and female pronouns are used in reference to you is if I am talking to someone else about you; at which point you aren’t even a part of the conversation! So if you aren’t even a part of the conversation, how do you know if I mis-gender you, unless you are listening in on our conversation ready to pounce if I use a different pronoun than the one you’ve chosen for yourself? If you would just mind your own business and leave others alone, you wouldn’t even know (or care) when you are being mis-gendered .

 

[We Never Know]

It's adorable how those on the trans witchhunt bandwagon are trying to paint themselves as the victims, the ones on the defensive.
How hard is it for people to mind their business and leave others alone? The superstitions of one don't supercede the rights and freedoms of another.

"How hard as its for people to mind their business and leave others alone"

Its actually pretty easy. However when a guy who identifies as woman(but still has their biological male parts they were born with) wants to use the girls bathroom and play in girls sports, that person is making their business everyone's business.

 

[Father Heathen]

"How hard as its for people to mind their business and leave others alone"

Its actually pretty easy. However when a guy who identifies as woman(but still has their biological male parts they were born with) wants to use the girls bathroom and play in girls sports, that person is making their business everyone's business.

Wait, you make strangers urinating and defecating your business? Are you performing genitalia checks on women as they enter restrooms?

L"How hard as its for people to mind their business and leave others alone"

Its actually pretty easy. However when a guy who identifies as woman(but still has their biological male parts they were born with) wants to use the girls bathroom and play in girls sports, that person is making their business everyone's business.

Conversations often include more than two people, or in the presence of others, such as in a workplace or classroom setting.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Are you able to understand that just because I disagree with you, does not mean I hate you? Can you understand that?

Are you able to understand plain English? Such as, it's rare for legislators to ban books. However, school boards, parents, preachers and others, frequently and typically with a RW agenda, get books banned from school and public libraries. This is where books like Anne Franks Diary and Maus have indeed been banned. This is why, if you've ever regularly visited a library, it probably had a display of banned books for about a week once a year. Amd the list is HEAVILY dominated by books that Conservatives don't like over things they don't like (sex, evolution, witchcraft, homosexuality, transgender, drug use and minorities portrayed in a positive or sympathetic way and presenting America in an unflattering wayare the usual reasons why. Catcher in the Rye, Grapes if Wraith, As I Lay Dying, these too are books that have been banned due to the aforementioned reasons.
And are you unable to comprehend social conventions and mores? I assume you are. Thus you should know it's considered rude to intentionally misgender someone. And it's not just disagreement, it's your attitude. And if you've made it clear you're a homophohe and transphobe. And as though to lick your wound and pretend your point actually matters, you keep mentioning the fear part of phobia but omit the hatred. Which you have demonstrated is affirmative by presenting us with your own antagonistic behaviors and mannerisms.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Its actually pretty easy. However when a guy who identifies as woman(but still has their biological male parts they were born with) wants to use the girls bathroom

Are you watching people **** and ****? Do you monitor them as they lower their pants?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's adorable how those on the trans witchhunt bandwagon are trying to paint themselves as the victims, the ones on the defensive.
How hard is it for people to mind their business and leave others alone? The superstitions of one don't supercede the rights and freedoms of another.

A few here remind me of people I know back in Indiana who say they don't have a problem with black people, claim a black person they work with as a friend, but otherwise they talk like it's still the early 20th century amd often have a Confederate rag somewhere.

 

[We Never Know]

Are you watching people **** and ****? Do you monitor them as they lower their pants?

Lmao!! No one has to monitor them. They make it known publically.

Google female transgender wants to/fights to use the female bathroom and see how many stories y ou come up with.

Google female transgender wants to/fights to participate in female sports and see how many stories y ou come up with.

Or just search this formum and see how many threads there are about news story of both. When its in the news, its made public.

 

[We Never Know]

Wait, you make strangers urinating and defecating your business? Are you performing genitalia checks on women as they enter restrooms?



Conversations often include more than two people, or in the presence of others, such as in a workplace or classroom setting.

"Wait, you make strangers urinating and defecating your business? Are you performing genitalia checks on women as they enter restrooms?"


Lmao!! No one has to check them. They make it known publically. Don't you watch the news?

 

[Father Heathen]

Lmao!! No one has to monitor them. They make it known publically.

I've never heard anyone loudly announce that they're trans before entering a restroom.

Btw, do you think it's a good idea for this guy to use female restrooms?

They were born female, after all.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I've never heard anyone loudly announce that they're trans before entering a restroom.

Btw, do you think it's a good idea for this guy to use female restrooms?

They were born female, after all.

I see in there I'm probably gonna think he's either really drunk or have some medical issue and it's an emergency.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"Wait, you make strangers urinating and defecating your business? Are you performing genitalia checks on women as they enter restrooms?"


Lmao!! No one has to check them. They make it known publically. Don't you watch the news?

I've not known anyone to do that. Amd I live in California.

 

[icehorse]

How would it be "dangerous"? Even if you disagree with transgenderism being a valid condition, how hard is it to humor them for the sake of politeness and civility?

Are you asking how any form of compelled speech could be dangerous?

 

[Callisto]

I wrote, "thanks for the life advice, but I'm pretty much where I want to be in life for what's left of it" You offered me unsolicited life advice and I politely declined, and you call that patronizing. You seem to be having an emotional response to my posting.

No doubt you'd like to cause an emotional response however I don't give a toss what a total stranger writes online. If you refuse the suggestion then don't keep acting as if you didn't get an answer.

So then no to having made a rebuttal as you claimed. No problem. That's the goal in dialectic - to a eventually make plausible argument that cannot be successfully rebutted. Of course, when its a cooperative effort as with scientific peer review, it goes on until such a position is reached, and those who have learned are grateful to have been taught. In discussion like this one, one makes a comment, the other rebuts it, and the original poster drops the ball as has occurred here, and the debate is over.

You were given a sufficient response. If you're incapable of comprehending that or simply choose to ignore it then either way that's on you, not me.

In a court of law, dialectic begins with an opening statement by the prosecution and a theory of a crime. If this argument is convincing to a jury and not successfully rebutted, it's time for a verdict: guilty. But perhaps the defense can poke a hole in that theory, maybe by offering an alibi for the defendant. Perhaps there is cell tower ping data suggesting that the defendant wasn't present at the scene of the crime. If this isn't rebutted, it becomes the last plausible unrebutted argument, and the jury is ready to vote for acquittal. But then, the prosecution produces photos of the suspect near the scene of the crime, resuscitating the original theory of guilt. And once again, if this cannot be successfully rebutted - if it cannot be shown that the prosecution cannot be right - the debate is over and the jury able to convict. This is dialectic, and it ends with the last plausible, unrebutted claim. Any other form of discussion is useless in deciding matters.

See above.

What I call transphobic behavior is anything demeaning, derogatory, or harmful to LGTBQ people.

The same applies to the transgender community as it does with any other group: what is accused of being "phobic" behavior is not always actually phobic nor any manner of hateful but simply something the accuser refuses to admit. And what is often considered "phobic" is subjective, literally on a per-person basis. E.g., There are many trans persons who freely acknowledge their biological sex is different from their gender identity, don't agree that "transwomen are women" and should not compete in higher levels of female sports; who are comfortable with the fact that commonly straight men and lesbians do not have an interest in dating transwomen nor do straight women and gay men have an interest in transmen. Meanwhile, there are trans activists that will declare this "phobic" and decide this gives a right to bully, harass, and, in extreme cases, threaten violence if others don't comply with their will. "Demeaning, derogatory, or harmful" behavior can occur on either side of the debate.

 

[Kfox]

Are you able to understand plain English? Such as, it's rare for legislators to ban books.

Well Thank You Captain Obvious! How about telling me something else I already know.

However, school boards, parents, preachers and others, frequently and typically with a RW agenda, get books banned from school and public libraries.

That’s now what you said before! You said REPUBLICANS! Not all school board members, parents, preachers and others are republicans; some of them are democrats to ya know. How do you know some of the people behind getting books banned are not members of the democratic party?
Also; if I recall correctly, the left has fought to ban some of the books like “Adventures of Huckelberry Finn, and even some Dr Seuss books, so it isn’t just one way concerning this issue.

And are you unable to comprehend social conventions and mores? I assume you are. Thus you should know it's considered rude to intentionally misgender someone.

With a hundred different genders and pronouns to go with them, if someone accidentally calls you a Xi instead of a Ci, I think a little grace is in order. As far as the he/she dichotomy, he/she is not only a gender reference, but a biological reference as well. So if I call a biological male; he, this person has no reason to assume it was in reference to his gender, unless he asks.

 

[Kfox]

I see in there I'm probably gonna think he's either really drunk or have some medical issue and it's an emergency.

I believe the main issue is public shower facilities. If she is a biological female with all of her lady parts, she should go to the ladies locker room; regardless of the amount of Anabolic Steriods she injects to get all of that facial hair.

 

[SomeRandom]

I was at a medical clinic a few months back, and when filling out the paperwork, one of the questions was if I had any particular pronouns they need to know about. Really? As if I can just choose to have my own pronouns? I responded that I do not have pronouns, but I do have my own adjectives; and my adjectives were "brilliant" and "handsome". The lady I handed the paperwork to did not take very well to my responses and refused to address me according to my adjectives. Was she being irrational and deliberately rude?

Ngl that is pretty funny lol
And possibly something I would do for a laugh.

For what it’s worth, I would have called you brilliant. Admittedly with a level of snark. But still. I would call you as directed. My mother did raise me to have manners, after all

I worked in retail for a long time. You learn very quickly that people have all kinds of pronouns. We were trained specifically to use the preferred pronouns, especially if corrected. Lest we get accused of failing to provide adequate service
This is like 10 years or so ago. At least. So I don’t know why it’s treated as a new thing all of a sudden.
My stance is still, who cares? Someone wants me to call them beetle, I can do so.
I prefer people call me by my shortened nickname rather than my legal one. So I follow the golden rule.
Do unto others as you would have done yourself.

 

[SomeRandom]

Wait, you make strangers urinating and defecating your business? Are you performing genitalia checks on women as they enter restrooms?

Lol incidentally. My younger nephew just showed me a video of a Zoomer lefty streamer who was mocking this exact thing.
The video was mocking folks for trying to basically inspect people’s genitals.
I think the kids call them “transvestigstors.”
And having seen some of their ahem conclusions, yeah they wouldn’t know a cis woman from a trans man if they bit them. Like holy cow.

Which makes me slightly worried that with this increase in scrutiny over trans people using the bathroom, not only would trans people be hurt or further stigmatised. But cis women who just happen to look more masculine for whatever reason will also be unfairly targeted. Not to mention cis men who might not be traditionally masculine.
Like this sort of paranoia just hurts everyone in the long run

 

[ImmortalFlame]

As far as the he/she dichotomy, he/she is not only a gender reference, but a biological reference as well.

Nope. He/she are not biological classifications, they are pronouns that are specific to gender classification.

So if I call a biological male; he, this person has no reason to assume it was in reference to his gender, unless he asks.

Again, nope. When you refer to anyone with gendered pronouns, you are explicitly referring to their gender, not biology.